science law violations - for fun only!!

[urza1488]

Ok, some of you are in a serious need of science education. First of all, don't try to look smart by saying the whole crap about kg's being a measure of mass. IRL, WEIGHT AND MASS ARE USED INTERCHANGEABLY AND MEAN THE SAME THING FOR EVERYDAY PURPOSES!!! .

 

 

 

As a physics major, you are wrong. End of story. In metric system, weight is in Newtons. So shut up. Go away. This stuff matters to people. Just because what you do in society will not matter too much does not mean that other people here can and will do things that matter. And mass and weight are very different. Honestly, don't try to look so "cool" by yelling at people who are right.

[Fromfirst2Last1987]

kilograms can be used for weight as well as mass. a kilogram is equal to 2.2 pounds

[urza1488]

kilograms can be used for weight as well as mass. a kilogram is equal to 2.2 pounds

No. On the earth's surface, an object with mass 1 Kg has a force downward of 2.2 Lbs.

[ixfd64]

Recall that F = ma.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Force = mass times acceleration

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Weight is a force, our gravity is the acceleration (equal to about 9.8 m/s^2).

[SaidinWoT]

kilograms can be used for weight as well as mass. a kilogram is equal to 2.2 pounds ...on Earth

 

 

 

Thought I'd help out a bit there.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

To address "negative weight" from Boots of Lightness, the game actually says "Weight Carried", so your avatar will always weigh the same + however much he's carrying. If it were just plain your weight, you would not stay on the ground, and probably wouldn't lose energy from running.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Scientific error: Nevermind the problem with holding 28 sharks... I can fit 28 sharks into a backpack that doesn't even show up on my avatar. Do all items become microscopic upon being picked up or withdrawn from bank?

[dimitar]

 

Ok, some of you are in a serious need of science education. First of all, don't try to look smart by saying the whole crap about kg's being a measure of mass. IRL, WEIGHT AND MASS ARE USED INTERCHANGEABLY AND MEAN THE SAME THING FOR EVERYDAY PURPOSES!!! .

 

 

 

As a physics major, you are wrong. End of story. In metric system, weight is in Newtons. So shut up. Go away. This stuff matters to people. Just because what you do in society will not matter too much does not mean that other people here can and will do things that matter. And mass and weight are very different. Honestly, don't try to look so "cool" by yelling at people who are right.

 

 

 

Yes, I know you are right, I am just saying that this is not a very valid point to make since it is is constantly used in real life that way. In other words, a kilogram can be both used as a unit of mass, and as a unit of weight, in which case it equals 9.81 newtons. Either that or you can say that people mean mass when they say weight. For now, before we colonize other planets and become 100% geeks, it matters less than political correctness (I guess you can call it "scientific correctness").

[primadog]

 

- Actually, weight and mass are equal on earth, because mass is defined as the weight of object on earth. However, weight do change if you are not on earth. Regardless, both weight and mass share the same unit in SI form: kg.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Weight is the force of gravity of an object. The weight of an object equals the mass of an object times the acceleration due to gravity, and has units kgms^(-2).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Mass has units kg.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The values of weight and mass are equal if the acceleration due to gravity is 1 ms^-2, which is not the case on earth (9.8 ms^-2)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It appears that you're right, and I made the same mistake as those I tried to correct. Below is the information regarding distinction between weight and mass from wikipedia:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Since weight is a force, the units of weight are, in modern scientific work, simply units of force. The SI unit of force is the newton (N), which can also be expressed in SI base units as kg m sÃÆâÃâ¹Ã¢â¬Â Ã¢ââ‰â¢2 (kilograms times metres per second squared). The SI unit of mass is the kilogram. In most countries scientists have now adopted SI units. The kilogram-force is a non-SI unit of weight, defined as the weight force exerted by one kilogram.

[Sy_Accursed]

The other thing I want to adresss is the iron hydroxide nonsense. What idiot told you it was a gas?! It is what happens when you put dry rust (iron oxide) into water. In general, metal oxides turn into hydroxides as soon as they come in contact with water, and most of the time there isn't much of a noticeable difference between the two.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I know what a metal hydroixde is

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But a metal hydroxide formed directly from the metal under an extreme force (in this case heavy friction as it would by no mean be perfectly round) when it bypasses the oxide stage forms in such a way that is forms as a gas intionally, after it has escaped the forces effect field it does rpaidly restore to a natural state

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In this case normal iron hydroxide but it reforms in such a spread out way it is rarely still noticable

[Utopianflame]

Obsidian is, as already noted, a form of volcanic glass, formed from rapidly cooled lava, it's mainly (generally two thirds or more) composed of silicon dioxide SiO2, so I really don't have a clue where all this carbon came into the matter from.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As for the interlacing nonsense, granite and obsidian are seperated only by the speed of cooling, granite just cooled down slow enough to form a crystalline structure, while obsidian didn't and as such is amorphous.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Paw, if I were you, i'd lay off the heavy science for a while, it does not seem to agree with you.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Oh and Zonorhc density generally isn't relevant to the melting points of materials, the strength of the bonds in the material on the other hand is.

[Sy_Accursed]

Heavy sicnece does agree with me, just in this case what obsidian actually is composed of I was unsure of and other weren't to helpful

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Plus also after reading into the matter slightly I think you will find Obsidian Metal is a fantasy game creation. As from what I can tell real obsidian volcanic glass was dsicovered after the first obsidian metal appeared in fantasy worlds (books or otherwise) and the name carried over as the obsidian metal was alwasy a volcanic linked metal. I may be wrong but there you go

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I would fit in with the scintifically untrue black, white, mithril, adamantite, runite and dragon metals whihc I am fairly sure are all fantasy creations

[Zonorhc]

Plus also after reading into the matter slightly I think you will find Obsidian Metal is a fantasy game creation. As from what I can tell real obsidian volcanic glass was dsicovered after the first obsidian metal appeared in fantasy worlds (books or otherwise) and the name carried over as the obsidian metal was alwasy a volcanic linked metal. I may be wrong but there you go

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Emphasis mine.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Where have YOU been living for the past ten thousand years?

[ValaraZ]

 

 

 

obsidian ok i didn;t no tht but the point still applys

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

and no

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

iron + water and air makes iron oxide aka rust

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

iorn plus hot water vaopur (from steam pwoered cannon) and friction creates alternate reaction where by 1 oxygen is released and the rest forms iron hydroxide whihc is a gas

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

you forget the fact that it's steel and not iron. allthough the percentage of steel is wrong in the game (2 coals and 1 iron) it can be thought to be stainless steel. steel forms the kind of "cube" (sry i don't know the english words for this so i have to use really basic[aka. non-scientific] terms) whre iron and coal particles are really close to each other because of their orbital powers. that makes steel quite resistant to rusting and takes long time to rust, hence it's stainless steel.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

in a cannon however, it would take so much pressure and heat that it is impossible to create with a mere cannon as is represented in the game. in same pressure and heat the coal should turn to diamonds or at least start the process but because of the impurity with the coal (iron) it would form some kind of jewel. i think ruby comes from iron mixed coal. not sure, don't hold me on that one.

[Utopianflame]

i think ruby comes from iron mixed coal. not sure, don't hold me on that one.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ruby and Saphire are both forms of Al2O3, the various colours of saphires come from the impurities(chromium, iron, vanadium and titanium), ruby in particualar is Al2O3 with a small(1/20th of a percent or so iirc) amount of chromium.

[Hikensasameyuki]

I probably shouldn't read past the first page of this misguided adventure. However, allow me to clarify a few of the things I noticed on the first page.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1. It is true that obsidian is sometimes referred to as 'volcanic glass.' Another substance that cooling magma (or lava, depending on whether or not the substance cools subterraneanly) forms, is pumice, which differs from obsidian because it cools with interspersed gas pockets, giving it a gritty texture, which is useful as an abrasive (employed, among other ways, in the popular 'Lava' brand abrasive hand cleanser). Both are igneous rocks, though obsidian is generally 'volcanic,' given that it almost in all cases cools rapidly at the earth's surface, while pumice is more often 'plutonic,' having cooled beneath the surface at a far slower rate. Nevertheless, both may be formed under either condition. Contrary to an opinion voiced earlier in this thread, neither obsidian nor pumice (nor any other igneous rock type, for that matter), may be refined into a form with increased Mohs hardness by smelting with coal or other ores, since that:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

a. is not structurally plausible;

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

b. would not only change the structural matrix of the obsidian into a new substance with vastly different physical properties, thus rendering it no longer obsidian; it would also make the resulting substance 'metamorphic,' due to the process of recrystallization that would occur as the result of the heat and pressure conditions that would have to be exerted upon the reactant substances to induce such a result, the very definition of metamorphic type rock. Thus, it would no longer be igneous type rock, and therefore impossible for it to remain 'obsidian.'

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Furthermore, 'interlacing' with coal or granite increases the ridiculousness of the discussion. This supposes a nonmetamorphic process by which the obsidian might maintain its identity, while gaining Mohs hardness. Again, this is impossible, because:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

a. obsidian is a homogeneous matrix, making it the pinnacle of potential hardness for any substance possessing its crystalline type;

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

b. interlacing would produce an 'amalgamate' rock, an entirely different type unto itself. While certainly some parts of the amalgamate would remain obsidian, the whole would achieve a new status with independent nomenclature. Also, amalgamate type rocks are, by definition, intrinsically weaker than any of the structural matrices of any one of the component materials of which they are comprised, when considered independently of each other and the whole. This is because the forces which hold them together are weak molecular forces, or simple compaction, which don't compare to the strength of generally ionic or otherwise ordered crystalline patterns of igneous rock. Amalgamate rocks can often be broken with the power of a bare hand.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Bottom Line: Obsidian items in a game do not necessarily have any relation to the object we refer to as 'obsidian' in real life (by which I mean it doesn't mean they are made of the same stuff or have the same properties). Obsidian is a term often used in poetry to evoke the color black. While it might be a bit overboard to characterize RuneScape's item designers as poets, the Obsidian class of items they have introduced into the game are most certainly black. It may be the case that 'Obsidian' is simply a more evocative way of saying 'black,' making the item class seem cooler than it would otherwise be.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

2. The heat inside a steam powered cannon is nowhere near the level required for 'vaporizing' iron. Sure enough, the literal temperature required for vaporization of iron is its boiling point, a figure which is easy enough to familiarize yourself with via a simple websearch (incidentally, it's 3134ÃÆââ¬Å¡ÃâðK; 2861ÃÆââ¬Å¡ÃâðC; 5182ÃÆââ¬Å¡ÃâðF). In fact, no type of cannon ever employed by creatures on earth has approached this temperature, at least inside the length of it's projection barrel, where it would have to reach this temperature to induce the type of reaction suggested. Not to mention the fact that no weapon system would ever employ a projectile which it could potentially vaporize unintentionally. Iron is not an efflorescent metal (that is to say, it is not a substance which naturally changes phase directly from solid to gas), and the amount of energy required to cause vaporization of nonefflorescent solids is both nuclear in nature, and far too ridiculous in magnitude to even discuss here. As for the debate over exactly what type of reaction could take place, let me send forth the following:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

a. Ferric oxide (common iron rust) is a weak solid, both at room temperature and at the temperatures induced by cannon firing (steam powered or otherwise). Need I point out that this excludes it from the phase class referred to as gases, and thereby impossibly the product of a vaporization reaction? Indeed, the shape change caused by rusting combined with forceful impact would be more aptly described as 'shattering,' not vaporization, even if the impact were forceful enough to induce complete gaseous dissolution of the resultant particulate matter into the atmospheric gases present at the point of impact. Given the temperature outside, unless you figured out how to fire your cannon inside the sun, the particles would remain solid and rapidly precipitate out of solution (simple gravity, iron WEIGHS more than air; that's right, WEIGHS; it doesn't just 'have more mass'), forming sediment. The oxidation reaction which produces ferric oxide from elemental iron is a slow one, even under artificially optimal conditions. It weakens the metal structure of iron by a process called 'fissuring,' whereby it invades the matrix, causing fissures which resemble the fault lines present at intersections of earth's tectonic plate structure. To produce the level of fissuring necessary to replicate the type of shattering which would make an iron mass the size of a conventional cannonball appear to the naked eye to have 'vaporized' would take many years under the conditions present in nature. Indeed, even a cannonball moving at "only a few meters per second" would find its target quite a long time before this type of shattering would be possible.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

b. Ferric hydroxide is a granular solid within the applicable temperature range, and therefore also not a candidate for a reaction product of the character discussed.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

c. The chemical formula for water is the widely known H(2)O. The following quote has been proofread in order to characterize the quoted as more grammatically apt than in reality:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"The friction caused by the speed would allow the iron to react with the water. Such a combination would release some oxygen from the water and the rest would form into iron hydroxide - a gas."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's easy enough to see that if some oxygen was released from the water, what would remain is H(2). Since hydroxide is an ion represented by the formula OH(-), this is clearly a preposterous suggestion. Hydroxide ions are formed from water molecules by freeing H+ ions, not oxygen molecules. In addition, cannon firing of this type produces none of the conditions required for any type of reaction whatsoever, other than the partial phase change of water from liquid to gas, let alone any reaction between the water and the iron in the cannonball, which depending on the specifications of the cannon, may never even come into contact with one another.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Bottom Line: Your cannonballs 'vaporize' because the cannons in RuneScape are ridiculously powerful and JaGeX wants to make everything more difficult for you. A simple way of doing this is to make items degenerate (like Crystal and Barrows items). They just couldn't figure out a good way of explaining why they did it to cannonballs. In other multiplayer online games, players refer to this as 'Nerfing.' Familiarize yourself with the term.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

3. Runescape is notorious for inconsistencies in mass changes which don't reflect the physics of the natural world. Smelting of ores is indeed one of the most suspect. Also, player-produced objects often contain components which were not required as raw materials, making them 'greater than the sum of their parts,' at least as far as their mass and weight are concerned. Woodcut axes are a prime example. For each bar a player smiths into a hatchet head, he or she acquires a free axe handle made of wood. It's not that unexpected, by this token, that a decorative helm required as a quest item will WEIGH more than its required raw materials, given that its final appearance is apparently comprised of many items that were not used by the player to produce it (not unlike every other kind of smithable helmet in this aspect).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Bottom Line: Unless you're willing to argue until you convince JaGeX that our inventories should WEIGH a fraction of a nanogram less when Gielinor's moon(s) are directly overhead, this is probably a moot point. I have relegated myself to the fact that RuneScape is a fantasy adventure game with its own physics independent of those of my world, and that inventory weights of game items are determined arbitrarily.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

4. Finally, let's put the debate on mass vs. weight measurements to rest here. To say there is a misconception about what weight means is more than a little derogatory to the human population. There is no more a misconception about what 'weight' means than as to what the color 'blue' is. Most people (this means non-scientists) consider weight to be an encapsulated term, which is simply a linguistic referent which means they view the concept to be self-explanatory, and requiring of no further definition. The fact that, in Newtonian and Relative physics, weight has a definitional relation to mass, is of less than no interest to them. Indeed, the convention of reporting weight in mass units is a sociological one, most certainly not a scientific one, giving scientific definitional analysis of the relation between weight and mass no bearing on the discussion. Furthermore, even scientifically speaking, mass has absolutely no meaningful application to situations which occur in everyday life, unless you can think of a situation in which objects which have mass are not also under the effects of gravitational forces. Certainly, no cannonball has ever, nor will ever be fired under no gravitational force, nor will bars be smelted nor helmets smithed outside of gravity's reach. Not to beleaguer the meaninglessness of even bringing this up, but mass and weight, when considered in the scope of the field provided by any one massive body (be it earth or the mythical RuneScape... pardon me, Gielinor), are on proportional interval scales, related by the unchanging force of gravity (represented by the equation W = mG, where W = weight, m = mass, and G = the net force of present gravitation), meaning they are in constant equal proportion to one another, consequentially making differentiating between them as units of measurement largely irrelevant. Indeed, even equations which require the input of a mass value can be carried out with equal abandon by instead using weight values; AND yield correct results as long as they are reported in the appropriate units (an easy way to do this is by dividing the final result by the value of G and reporting in whatever units the mass equation would have called for; it can also be done by reporting in whatever units/G the equation yielded when worked out with the W values).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Bottom Line: When a person asked to report his or her weight replies in kg, he or she is not only giving a sociologically acceptable answer, he or she is more than likely British, and works for JaGeX.

[Hikensasameyuki]

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[Piscis_Rex]

Heavy sicnece does agree with me

 

 

 

yes, but clearly spelling doesn't.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

anyways when was the last time you went to the bank and stored 28 sharks, or some pieces of paper and claimed they were worth ove 100mil

[biggy08755]

 

Heavy sicnece does agree with me

 

 

 

yes, but clearly spelling doesn't.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

anyways when was the last time you went to the bank and stored 28 sharks, or some pieces of paper and claimed they were worth ove 100mil

 

 

 

Last night. Had to withdraw some gee pee

[Raiden2k2]

 

 

 

-Obsidian in its natural state is a weak metal yes, when interlaced with a substances like coal or occasionally granite it offers the strength and properties of the metal while gaining in durabilty and strength (thats why steel is stronger than iron) so it is correct

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

99% of jagexs game checks out against science fact if you devele deeper than basic fact...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You realize that steel is basicly iron that has all impurities and other materials taken out, and a bit of carbon added in, right?

[Corvus]

pineapples in runescape grow on trees in real life they dont

[Corvus]

also gold coins wiegh nothing even when your carrying 1000000 of them which the wieght would have to add up to at least a kilogram

[joecool280]

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Now my input:

 

 

 

-We do not have weather or change of day

 

 

 

 

Go to Waterbirth isle, it snows there.

 

 

 

 

-The world is flat

 

 

Runescape letters

 

 

 

http://

 

 

 

http://www.runescape.com/lang/en/aff/ru ... ostbag4.ws

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

-There are Gods

 

 

There are gods here, or at least people beleive in them

 

 

-Fantasy creatures

 

 

Your right there

 

 

[Zonorhc]

Go go thread necromancy!

[cky021]

Paw, if I were you, i'd lay off the heavy science for a while, it does not seem to agree with you.

 

dang still cant seem to know how to get the name in there but...

 

+1

[xevocm8velexx]

 

Well I have one, which kind of makes sense. How can a cannon fit into somebodys backpack even if the cannon is pulled apart into 4's. Its still to big. But if this wasn't the case the game would be far less fun.

 

 

 

1 Cannon?!? You can put 7 cannons in your backpack!

[crazylacky]

1. There is no problem that cannot be overcome by force.

 

2. If it moves, Destroy it.

 

3. Piloting any vehicle is simple and requires no training (Gnome Glider ).

 

4. One lone 'good guy' can defeat an infinate number of 'bad guys'.

 

5. Make sure you eat all food lieing on the ground.

 

6. You can kill things and get away with it.

 

7. If someone dies, they disappear.

 

8. If you get mad enough you can fight even better (DragonBattleSpecial).

 

9. You can operate all weapons without training.

 

10. No matter how long you fight, you can always fight again.

 

11. Death is reversable. Only for you.

 

12. Chickens are common and frequently fight in public.

 

13. Attack everything if it dies, it was bad.

 

14. A thousand-to-one odds against you is no problem.

 

 

 

Most importantly

 

 

 

All women wear revealing clothes and have great bodies.