The UN, along with the entire Zionist movement, takes precedence over your opinion. Going by your logic, Australia, America, England, Japan, India, the majority of South-East Asia, Spain, and a lot of other nations should be wiped off the map because it's "not their land". Jerusalem was a Jewish city even in Roman times.

 

 

 

And also, WHAT EMPs? The only current possible way to generate an EMP is through a nuclear explosion.

 

Israel should get whiped off the map. Its not their land.

 

 

 

The UN says it is.

 

 

 

I say its Palestine.

 

 

 

And Jews say it's Israel.

 

Hence, the conflict? :anxious:

The UN, along with the entire Zionist movement, takes precedence over your opinion. Going by your logic, Australia, America, England, Japan, India, the majority of South-East Asia, Spain, and a lot of other nations should be wiped off the map because it's "not their land". Jerusalem was a Jewish city even in Roman times.

 

 

 

I've talked to a Rabbi, and he told me the existence of Israel is wrong due to what the Torah states. I dont know the exact quote, nor the placing of this reference but this is what the Rabbi told me word for word

 

 

 

"Israel is a sin. The Torah says for Israel to be created after the return of the Messiah, but instead Pontius Pilote killed the Messiah." - Rabbi Livnat Amos

 

 

 

"Its not their land".....because Palestine was erased from the map. Israel took its place, built on the bones of the Palestinian people. Palestinians were made refugees around the world.

 

 

 

Quoted from the truth

 

 

 

We've had 50 years of assault on Palestinian Rights. I think they are the most terrorized at least with the Iraqi people...They are the most terrorized people on earth and have been for so many years. Practically ever Palestinian lives in constant harrassment, threat of violence, humiliation - Its been that way for a long long time.

I was under the impression that the US dropped the atomic bombs on Japan to reduce US casualties, seeing how the Japanese would have most likely fought to the death.

 

 

 

That's what I learned. The U.S knew that an invasion on Japan would have numerous casulties. They knew that, no matter what, the invasion would cost more total human lives than dropping the bomb.

I was under the impression that the US dropped the atomic bombs on Japan to reduce US casualties, seeing how the Japanese would have most likely fought to the death.

 

 

 

That's what I learned. The U.S knew that an invasion on Japan would have numerous casulties. They knew that, no matter what, the invasion would cost more total human lives than dropping the bomb.

 

 

 

If US did invade Japan, Japan would have suffered 10 times the death of Hiroshima+Nagasaki.

 

 

 

I'm disgusted with the racial and the religious conflicts. Why are they so afraid to understand one another? Don't we have the common connection called Humanity?

 

 

 

and this all starts from people who uses war as personal gain. They are the ones that are making the children suffer and be influenced by them.

Nuclear weapons have progressed to such a level (50mt+) that they have become in most states a deterant ant best. Nations such as USA and Russia no that if one country deployed nukes then it would force another to do the same. this has lead to fear that if other states were to gain the technology then they would be forced to actually use the weapons rather than just using them as metaphorical muscle flex

Nuclear weapons have progressed to such a level (50mt+) that they have become in most states a deterant ant best. Nations such as USA and Russia no that if one country deployed nukes then it would force another to do the same. this has lead to fear that if other states were to gain the technology then they would be forced to actually use the weapons rather than just using them as metaphorical muscle flex

 

 

 

The only weapon to ever be developed that produced a yield of 50mt was the Tsar Bomba, created during the Cold War by the Soviet Union. Only one was ever made. Very few operable nuclear weapons today are able to breach 25mt, with the vast majority still in the kiloton range.

 

The only weapon to ever be developed that produced a yield of 50mt was the Tsar Bomba, created during the Cold War by the Soviet Union. Only one was ever made. Very few operable nuclear weapons today are able to breach 25mt, with the vast majority still in the kiloton range.

 

 

 

quite ironic that the Soviet Union name it's most powerful weapon 'Tsar'...

quite ironic that the Soviet Union name it's most powerful weapon 'Tsar'...

 

 

 

It is, isn't it?

 

 

 

Then again, Russia has had a history of naming its ridiculously huge weapons "Tsar". The Tsar Cannon, Tsar Bomb...

if north korea were to launch an attack on US, do u think they would be dumb enough to only fire one intercepter missile per nuke? I would send at least 3 SAM's for every nuke, just too make sure it was hit. If they didn't they would be [developmentally delayed]ed

no state would take that chance

 

 

 

No sensible state would take that chance, but North Korea and Iran are both lead by what seems to be mentally un-stable people. What with Iran threatening to wipe Israel from the map and North Korea letting all their people die of starvation, jsut to build a huge military. I think there is reason to be worried about those two countries.

 

 

 

Yea and the US military can invade everyones soveriegnty and have as many Nukes they want, right? I just think this whole sense of equality it completly out of whack.

 

 

 

And for saying that the leaders of Iran and N Korea are un-stable, I can inturn and argue you the same about Bush. What gives him the right to have the biggest gun aiming at every other state? Especially when most of all of them dont even have a stick to defend themselves.

 

 

 

Israel should get whiped off the map. Its not their land.

 

 

 

Israel should be wiped from the map!?!?!?! How long ago was the state of Israel created? About 50 years ago now. Most of the people who live there now were probally born there, that makes it as much there land as anyones. The millions of people living there should not be murdered just because the existance of it is a sin from a Jewish point of view.

 

 

 

About the Bush with nukes thing... No America shouldn't have Nuclear Weapons, no-one should, but America wont dismantle its nuclear arsenal because it believes it is necessary for its own protection as a deterant. Iran / North Korea is more likely to use its Nukes as a weapon against a defensless opponet - Israel / South Korea respectively.

 

Israel should get whiped off the map. Its not their land.

 

 

 

The UN says it is.

 

 

 

I say its Palestine.

 

 

 

Too bad Palestinians can't do anything about it. Israel fights them with one hand tied behind their back and they're still too powerful for the Palestinians.

 

Israel should get whiped off the map. Its not their land.

 

 

 

The UN says it is.

 

 

 

I say its Palestine.

 

 

 

Too bad Palestinians can't do anything about it. Israel fights them with one hand tied behind their back and they're still too powerful for the Palestinians.

 

 

 

Its a genocide, and the UN wont do anything about it because they are the ones who allowed the existence of the state.

About the Bush with nukes thing... No America shouldn't have Nuclear Weapons, no-one should, but America wont dismantle its nuclear arsenal because it believes it is necessary for its own protection as a deterant. Iran / North Korea is more likely to use its Nukes as a weapon against a defensless opponet - Israel / South Korea respectively.

 

true, why would the eurpoean and american powers be wasting billions in helping the middle east just so they can use their nukes to blowe them up later? The worlds superpowers are organized, and dispermit themselves from firing nukes for no good reason. For Those of you who dont know, thats how republic and democracy work, the president (or whoever) or the military, dont have the power to launch weapons without authorization from the other parties. If the superpowers didnt have such a system, they would not be superpowers.

 

 

 

Iran and North korea on the otherhand, have leaders that can make any desicion they want. and can launch their nukes anytime they feel like it. On top of that theyre nutjobs that starve their people and claim that the jews faked the holocaust, I would be very scared when people like that get a hold of operational nuclear weapons.

true, why would the eurpoean and american powers be wasting billions in helping the middle east

 

 

 

Helping by massacring their people? It's really naive to think that US is there to help the locals. They are there to help themselves, their economy (yes, they lose money on the war, but make it from the oil and rebuilding the place they've bombed) and their lifestyle.

 

 

 

At the moment USA&European countries have caused the death of 39-43,000 civilians (includes women and children) in Iraq and and some thousands in Afghanistan. Is that what you're bringing? Death, pain and anger? At this point you could always show some info on the dead US soldiers. Well, I tell you; don't. Personally I'd be more than willing to grab a gun and shoot if some foreign country attacked us.

true, why would the eurpoean and american powers be wasting billions in helping the middle east

 

 

 

Helping by massacring their people? It's really naive to think that US is there to help the locals. They are there to help themselves, their economy (yes, they lose money on the war, but make it from the oil and rebuilding the place they've bombed) and their lifestyle.

 

 

 

At the moment USA&European countries have caused the death of 39-43,000 civilians (includes women and children) in Iraq and and some thousands in Afghanistan. Is that what you're bringing? Death, pain and anger? At this point you could always show some info on the dead US soldiers. Well, I tell you; don't. Personally I'd be more than willing to grab a gun and shoot if some foreign country attacked us.

 

 

 

I would like to know how you figure they make money off of rebuilding things there. I know for one thing, "rebuilding" has messed up building material costs here in the US. How that helps us is beyond me. My dad almost went out of business because Plywood was so expensive a year or so back.

 

 

 

Oil is also uber expensive now, so I guess they're making their money back there. :roll: It used to cost like $20 to fill my car, now it costs $40. Blah.

 

***ON another note - I dont fear one bit of a Nuclear War... because if there ever was, we'd be all doomed and no state would take that chance.

 

 

 

lol North koreas leader is completly unstable lol if he though we might att him he might go off and nuke South korea or Japan. Its just not worth the risk to let him have the abillities to nuke us too.

 

 

 

Iran lol They want isreal gone completly. I and I dont think isreal will wait long enough for them to have the abilites to do that. they will att then iran will send nukes then we have a ton of nuclear pollution all over the arabic states and in the atmosphere. Not to mention a WW3 becuase of all the "Holy Sites" that have been destroyed.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

EDIT SORRY FOR DOUBLE POST, I was suppose to copy paste into the first one... but I clicked on impulse :(

true, why would the eurpoean and american powers be wasting billions in helping the middle east

 

 

 

Helping by massacring their people? It's really naive to think that US is there to help the locals. They are there to help themselves, their economy (yes, they lose money on the war, but make it from the oil and rebuilding the place they've bombed) and their lifestyle.

 

 

 

At the moment USA&European countries have caused the death of 39-43,000 civilians (includes women and children) in Iraq and and some thousands in Afghanistan. Is that what you're bringing? Death, pain and anger? At this point you could always show some info on the dead US soldiers. Well, I tell you; don't. Personally I'd be more than willing to grab a gun and shoot if some foreign country attacked us.

 

 

 

 

 

Most Civilian deaths in Iraq are from IED's, Suicide and Car bombs. From Ither foreign fighers or Internal Clashes

 

 

 

and

 

 

 

how the hell do u think The us would make any off oil Profits the go to the Iraqi government when the things even runing at all. and Reconstruction is Outsourced to those that have the expertise and abilites. but the workforce is iraqi.

 

Israel should get whiped off the map. Its not their land.

 

 

 

The UN says it is.

 

 

 

I say its Palestine.

 

 

 

Too bad Palestinians can't do anything about it. Israel fights them with one hand tied behind their back and they're still too powerful for the Palestinians.

 

 

 

Its a genocide, and the UN wont do anything about it because they are the ones who allowed the existence of the state.

 

 

 

I dont see how its genocide. Its an armed confict. Isreal dosent just go in to palastinian lands and Murder whole villages thats genocide.

 

 

 

Isreal Secured the land By fighting for it. They have had to defend themself the whole time they have been back in there homeland. Yes isreal/Jews Lived there In the past and have the right to be there agian. Its not my fault that the arabs Lost there war agianst Isreal and called for peace. Palastinians should just call it quites and be happy with what they have and Life for them will get better. but they keep hanging onto a now dead past that keeps draging them deeper into despair and dread.

 

 

 

O and why should the Un do anything when the palastinians fellow muslims dont even welcome them into there own nations. The USA Sends tons of money into palastine and the Palastinian government that its not funny. To make life there better for the people.

Its a genocide, and the UN wont do anything about it because they are the ones who allowed the existence of the state.

 

 

 

If anything, Muslim countries should be cleaned up anyway. What kind of countries based on a moronic religion that is claimed to be the 'religion of peace' act so violent?

 

 

 

Israel has triumphed over its neighbours and proved that they are worthy of that land. Obviously, they haven't been left alone so any attack by Israel is justified.

 

 

 

Whose fault is it that they are so conceited that they steer away from advancement and for the better of their countries and grab hold of their outdated ways just because of their hatred for the West?

If anything, Muslim countries should be cleaned up anyway. What kind of countries based on a moronic religion that is claimed to be the 'religion of peace' act so violent?

 

 

 

Religion is all the same, a way for those in power to control the masses. But obviously everyone who's opinions that differ from yours are moronic.

 

 

 

Israel has triumphed over its neighbours and proved that they are worthy of that land. Obviously, they haven't been left alone so any attack by Israel is justified.

 

 

 

Triumped because they have support from western democracies who funnel money in foreign aid to a country that was put in place as part of an agenda by the UN to create racial conflict.

 

 

 

Whose fault is it that they are so conceited that they steer away from advancement and for the better of their countries and grab hold of their outdated ways just because of their hatred for the West?

 

 

 

Yes because advancedment equals slavery to western corporations, and that is much better than fighting for their peoples homeland and tradition.

true, why would the eurpoean and american powers be wasting billions in helping the middle east

 

 

 

Helping by massacring their people? It's really naive to think that US is there to help the locals. They are there to help themselves, their economy (yes, they lose money on the war, but make it from the oil and rebuilding the place they've bombed) and their lifestyle.

 

 

 

At the moment USA&European countries have caused the death of 39-43,000 civilians (includes women and children) in Iraq and and some thousands in Afghanistan. Is that what you're bringing? Death, pain and anger? At this point you could always show some info on the dead US soldiers. Well, I tell you; don't. Personally I'd be more than willing to grab a gun and shoot if some foreign country attacked us.

 

 

 

And have you accounted for the number of schools, hospitals and other public services the US army has set up for the people of Iraq? No. Of course you haven't, because the media has said bugger all about it.

 

 

 

How is the US helping themselves? The oil network in Iraq has gone completely to the dogs. It was barely operable under Saddam's regime due to lax maintenance, and what? Now you expect the US to be sending its soldiers off to work the pumps? The US is making NO oil profit from Iraq at all. There isn't even anything worth taking from Iraq.

 

 

 

If anything, the only truly bad thing the US has done by invading Iraq is destabilizing the region and giving the media an excuse to misinform the people about the circumstances of the conflict.

 

 

 

lol North koreas leader is completly unstable lol if he though we might att him he might go off and nuke South korea or Japan. Its just not worth the risk to let him have the abillities to nuke us too.

 

 

 

Kim Jong Il is stable in my books. He's running a fairly successful drug syndicate out of his office spanning the entire country without anyone able to object. He's dangerous, immoral and a complete idiot for what he's doing, but I wouldn't go so far as to call him unstable.

 

 

 

As soon as he decides to nuke any of his neighbours, guess what happens? China shuts off the power and food, and North Korea starves while dying of the cold. China may still be nervous about Japan because of the atrocities commited during World War 2, but they'd be a hell of a lot more nervous about a dictator who wants to use his nuclear capabilities as a bargaining chip.

 

 

 

Japan also has the capability to shoot down ballistic missiles. I wouldn't be too surprised if South Korea could as well.

 

 

 

Iran lol They want isreal gone completly. I and I dont think isreal will wait long enough for them to have the abilites to do that. they will att then iran will send nukes then we have a ton of nuclear pollution all over the arabic states and in the atmosphere. Not to mention a WW3 becuase of all the "Holy Sites" that have been destroyed.

 

 

 

Nobody will throw nuclear weapons around as the first reaction to an attack. Despite what anyone else says, Iran's leaders are not stark raving mad. They won't risk using nuclear weapons which they probably don't even have, when America is able to blow several hundred types of crap out of them until their country glows green.

but then why would NKorea be developing them?

How did a thread about the U.N. and N. Korea launch a discussion of Iraq? :?

 

 

 

Oh yea, it's the Tip.it Off-Topic forum. I almost forgot that all threads eventually hit this topic... #-o

 

 

 

Also...

 

 

If anything, Muslim countries should be cleaned up anyway. What kind of countries based on a moronic religion that is claimed to be the 'religion of peace' act so violent?

 

 

 

You just called Islam a "moronic" religion. Dude, it's just like all the other religions out there. Are there extremes to this religion? Yes. However MOST muslims are not suicide-bombing blockheads. Sadly there are an ever increasing number of disillusioned individuals who feel the need to blow themselves up in the corrupted name of the Khoran. These people are the exception, not the rule.

 

 

 

Islam has as solid a base as any other relgion. Don't bash it.

but then why would NKorea be developing them?

 

 

 

Deterent against regime change.