Mage Armor for F2P?

[Tetsuya]

I support this idea.

 

 

 

Ihate having to sell off my mage armor when my membership ends. :wall:

[Ts_Stormrage]

How about just the addition of black and blue robe bottoms?

 

 

 

Giving +4 mage attack and defense, nothing more nothing less...

 

 

 

 

 

I think the main problem is with mages that its pretty hard to train on F2P... The only runes they can make themselves are the weakest ones...

 

 

 

P2P can make all but blood and soul, but blood will probably be coming soon down the line of the myreque storyline.

 

 

 

Now if f2p was able to make Chaos Runes, but say, not via the normal route.

 

Suppose they have to go through a quest of medium difficulty to find out about the secrets of the Chaos altar. The Chaos Talisman and Tiara would become f2p.

 

But still only Pure Essence would be able to be used, HOWEVER:

 

 

 

Normal Rune Essence could also be used. By going back to that quest, fighting (obligatory maging?) your way through many monsters to get a charged token.

 

This token would for example needed in your inventory to allow for the usage of normal Rune Essence on the Chaos Altar. The token would then expire after a set number of usages (5?), and you'd have to ge another one.

 

 

 

Wether the tokens are tradable or not, I dont care. I doubt many F2P people actually go to the wilderness for a few chaos runes. Even if not tradable, you could further limit this all by implementing that you can have only 1 such token (like the Skull Sceptre from Security Stronghold).

[Dracion1]

y dont u just pay 5$ and get members? then u will have plenty of mage amour and if u carnt afford 5$ a month shut up and dont complain bout f2p

 

 

 

If youve read your comment through soeone elses eyes then youd see hhow arrogant youve been. Some people cant afford it and others parents wont allow it. Think before you speak next time

 

 

 

IRT Topic

 

 

 

I agrre, there should be some more types of mage robes. I mean, theres Wizzzy (g) and (t), but why cant we have say mystic aswell? Or maybe canifis robes, if they get upgraded to level 20 mage or something? This is a very good point i believe, why do we only have basic mage armour?

[Seahawk10490]

Because your the basic version of the game.

[Tetsuya]

So far I've seen no decent arguments against this idea.

 

 

 

Figures.

[ThurinEthir]

Why do you want this? Is it because you think the combat triangle is unfair? Guess what, it's actually pretty fair. If mages get another type of armor (robes...), then it mages would very likely be better than range and melee. I guess it's time for me to make my lists...

 

 

 

I'm doing this without looking at P2P items. And the "hits" are compared to other types of combat. The numbers are the rank.

 

 

 

Melee

 

Low Levels- Hits low (3)

 

Medium Levels- Hits medium (2)

 

High Levels- Hits high(1)

 

Cost- Cheap (est) (1)

 

Armor- Good against two types of attacks (1)

 

 

 

Range

 

Low Levels- Hits low (3)

 

Medium Levels- Hits low (3)

 

High Levels- Hits medium (2)

 

Cost- Medium (2)

 

Armor- Medium against all attacks (2)

 

 

 

Magic

 

Low Levels- Hits high (1)

 

Medium Levels- Hits high (1)

 

High Levels- Hits low (3)

 

Cost- Expensive (3)

 

Armor- Relatively good against one type of attack... (3)

 

 

 

Total- Melee: 8, Range: 12, Magic: 11

 

 

 

Yes, I guess melee has an advantage on F2P, but not on P2P. On P2P, mages have the Ancient and Lunar spells, so I'll lower them to 8 as they also have better armor. Rangers have cannons, throwing azes, magic bows, etc. Also more types of d'hide. Brining them to a 9. See? The combat triangle is fair enough on P2P. Oh yeah, mages also have enchant spells, bind and teleporting spells. I guess I'll make them 10 for F2P.

 

Yes, I admit that the F2P mage armor sucks. I'll admit that a new type of mage armor would be appreciated. But what do you want? Some sort of metal? A new type of robe? Zamorak robes could be turned F2P, although F2P could only buy them from P2Pers. But tell me, the main reason that F2P mage armor sucks is to make the combat triangle fair.

[Prankster_King]

F2P does need some sort of new mage armour.. It doesn't have to be much, but just somethign that's a bit better than those skimpy robes we have now. I've heard this mentioned many times before. I heard the suggestion of making animal skins into mage armour. Personally, I think this is a very good idea. Animal hide would be tougher than the robes, with higher defence, but it wouldn't be too strong. Currently, f2p can pick up the hide dropped from bears, but we can't do anything with them. It would make sense to let us make them into mage robes as a crafting skill.

[lawrencekill]

y dont u just pay 5$ and get members? then u will have plenty of mage amour and if u carnt afford 5$ a month shut up and dont complain bout f2p

 

 

 

Typical, Arragant, members player.

 

 

 

I beleive f2p should have SOME mage armor. I attempted f2p pking as a mage and it was quite hard ebcause I would always get basehed around. I'd feel better with that extra protection on my bones

 

 

 

Blue mystic should be droped down to f2p

 

 

 

First of all ixlmwlxl, as some people have stated, not everyone is as fortunate as you so shut your mouth until you can see both sides.

 

 

 

As for Made0f12une, please don't steriotype people. Like, stupid f2p they don't contribute, or as said above, typical, arogant, members. Often this leads to flaming instead of solving the problem.

 

 

 

F2P does need some sort of new mage armour.. It doesn't have to be much, but just somethign that's a bit better than those skimpy robes we have now. I've heard this mentioned many times before. I heard the suggestion of making animal skins into mage armour. Personally, I think this is a very good idea. Animal hide would be tougher than the robes, with higher defence, but it wouldn't be too strong. Currently, f2p can pick up the hide dropped from bears, but we can't do anything with them. It would make sense to let us make them into mage robes as a crafting skill.

 

 

 

Yeah we do do something with bear fur. We sell it to the fur trader in varrock.

 

 

 

How about just the addition of black and blue robe bottoms?

 

 

 

Giving +4 mage attack and defense, nothing more nothing less...

 

 

 

 

 

I think the main problem is with mages that its pretty hard to train on F2P... The only runes they can make themselves are the weakest ones...

 

 

 

P2P can make all but blood and soul, but blood will probably be coming soon down the line of the myreque storyline.

 

 

 

Now if f2p was able to make Chaos Runes, but say, not via the normal route.

 

Suppose they have to go through a quest of medium difficulty to find out about the secrets of the Chaos altar. The Chaos Talisman and Tiara would become f2p.

 

But still only Pure Essence would be able to be used, HOWEVER:

 

 

 

Normal Rune Essence could also be used. By going back to that quest, fighting (obligatory maging?) your way through many monsters to get a charged token.

 

This token would for example needed in your inventory to allow for the usage of normal Rune Essence on the Chaos Altar. The token would then expire after a set number of usages (5?), and you'd have to ge another one.

 

 

 

Wether the tokens are tradable or not, I dont care. I doubt many F2P people actually go to the wilderness for a few chaos runes. Even if not tradable, you could further limit this all by implementing that you can have only 1 such token (like the Skull Sceptre from Security Stronghold).

 

 

 

Best idea. I like this. The additional magic bonuses from the robe bottom might allow you to put on some rune armour without that much penaties. So you have somewhat decent defense but a bit lower mage bonus.

 

 

 

Better than making new armour for f2p which wastes jagex time, (determining bonuses, drops from which monsters, etc.)

 

 

 

I disagree with the red part though. Introducing runes that require pure ess to craft into f2p can affect the pure ess prices as non-members cannot mine pure ess. If you want to turn chaos crafting into reg ess, then chao rune prices would fluctuate.

[willyx]

Normal blue robe is too weak for non members

 

 

 

Blue mystic is too strong for non members

 

 

 

In between blue mystic and normal robes.....how about red zammy robes??

[Toxicologist]

Mages are meant to have low defense but good offense: have you seen any mage that wins a fight by outlasting their opponent? Most mages in F2P win by sudden attacks dealing lots of damage in a short time, not stand there, take blows like warriors and try to outlast everyone. The blue/black robes are perfectly fine...

 

 

 

If F2P mages were given the large amount of magic bonus given by the Mystic Set, it would most likely unbalance PKing in F2P worlds. Sure, no change would be done to the DAMAGE F2P mages deal, but you would probably see a lot of 14s and 15s even through dragonhide or prayer. If F2P mages get Mystics, warriors and rangers (especially rangers) may need to get a little more stuff to balance things out... which sort of undermines the point of F2p, to get people to pay for membership.

 

 

 

If you ask me, F2P mages do NOT need more armour, just more spells. Currently, high level maging in F2P doesn't really give that much of an edge over warriors, apart from the fact that mages lose very little money when they die in F2P...

[Bomb505]

Well.. I think a lvl 30 magic armor won't hurt.... Like a Magi Shield, only gives like +12 magic bouns, after the Dragon Slay Quest maybe?

[Toxicologist]

Personally, it wouldn't really hurt if JAGeX wants to introduce a new type of mage armour intermediate between Plain and Mystic for F2P, at least in my opinion. Probably a total magic bonus of 20 - 30? But it isn't really required, since the main problem with F2P mages is the relatively small amount of damage they do at higher levels, when compared to the higher damage of warriors and the much faster attacking speed of rangers.

[Buckeyemange]

y dont u just pay 5$ and get members? then u will have plenty of mage amour and if u carnt afford 5$ a month shut up and dont complain bout f2p

 

 

 

Typical, Arragant, members player.

 

 

 

I beleive f2p should have SOME mage armor. I attempted f2p pking as a mage and it was quite hard ebcause I would always get basehed around. I'd feel better with that extra protection on my bones

 

 

 

Blue mystic should be droped down to f2p

 

 

 

Wait one moment! How dare you insult me? :shame:

 

 

 

As I pay my money a month, I recieve many benifits.

 

1. More bank space

 

2. Better weapons and armor

 

 

 

Both of which are common complaints of the non-member communitiy.

 

 

 

I'm sorry, but this should not come to pass. Maybe a level 20-ish robe, but do not drop mystic. What would be the point of making just blue F2P? All are the same level and (if I am not mistaken) have the same stats. One just looks cooler.

 

 

 

Another thing, how would they buy it? I don't think any monster would drop it in the non's world, and the mage guild is members only. Because of that, The Price would be raised to huge amounts, robbing Non-members.

 

 

 

Another thing. Mages are not giant monsters that can take hits from people in the first place!

 

Mages win by large amounts of dammage in quick time, like Toxicologist said.

 

 

 

$5 is not that much to ask for.

[Toxicologist]

Mystics don't give much defense anyway, so I doubt that is the problem. The problem is what F2P mages need is more damage, not more accuracy. And Mystics are simply too... "pro-ish"... to be F2P.

[drapit]

y dont u just pay 5$ and get members? then u will have plenty of mage amour and if u carnt afford 5$ a month shut up and dont complain bout f2p

 

You really are a spoilt kid. Can't u see dat if somone isn't a member, He or she hasn't got the money or are in a difficult position?! And please stop acting like ure so rich.

[Toxicologist]

There is, however; a point in all that selfish raving. You COULD get Mystics: by paying for membership. If you cannot, whos problem is that but yours? You might as well say you want full rune, but don't have any GP for it, and ask for full rune prices to be lowered to accomodate you.

 

 

 

And before you flame me, I am F2P. Forever.

[lawrencekill]

y dont u just pay 5$ and get members? then u will have plenty of mage amour and if u carnt afford 5$ a month shut up and dont complain bout f2p

 

You really are a spoilt kid. Can't u see dat if somone isn't a member, He or she hasn't got the money or are in a difficult position?! And please stop acting like ure so rich.

 

 

 

And stop acting like poor people deserve everything everyone else has.

 

 

 

I agree that members should stop complaining and telling f2p to get membership, as some people do struggle and that $5 is very hard or impossible to get.

 

 

 

But I also think that f2p shouldn't ask for mage armour. Mages are already good enough for non-members. They work in the combat triangle and that's good enough.

 

 

 

Making more mage armour would disturb the combat triangle.

[Invincible_N]

For those of yall P2P who dont suport this, then stfu unless you have something better to say than

y dont u just pay 5$ and get members? then u will have plenty of mage amour and if u carnt afford 5$ a month shut up and dont complain bout f2p

 

Honestly we dont wanna put up with that [cabbage] and the rs world just might be a little better off without you whiny little pests. Jagex gets paid alot more through ads than thru memberships, so we deserve alot more than what they give us anyway.

[Toxicologist]

For those of yall P2P who dont suport this, * unless you have something better to say than

y dont u just pay 5$ and get members? then u will have plenty of mage amour and if u carnt afford 5$ a month shut up and dont complain bout f2p

 

Honestly we dont wanna put up with that cabbage and the rs world just might be a little better off without you whiny little pests. Jagex gets paid alot more through ads than thru memberships' date=' so we deserve alot more than what they give us anyway.[/quote']

 

 

 

"JAGeX gets a lot more from ads". You ignorant brat. The money JAGeX gets from ads is very little, only enough to pay for F@P servers. They get no profit directly from F2P. If anyone is the whining brat, you are. YOU are the ones whining F2P needs mage armour. WE DON'T.

[Invincible_N]

"JAGeX gets a lot more from ads". You ignorant brat. The money JAGeX gets from ads is very little, only enough to pay for F@P servers. They get no profit directly from F2P. If anyone is the whining brat, you are. YOU are the ones whining F2P needs mage armour. WE DON'T.

 

 

 

1. Im not whining about any armor, Im neutral here. I dont really mind if the F2P want better armor, Im just trying to make a point

 

 

 

2. Have you even done research? I suggest you do so before flaming my post :shame:

[BDave]

The point of this post is ftp needs new mage armour as it is underpowered pking, he simply suggested mystic as it would suit the job and every power hungry p2per jumps down his throat cause he isnt paying the same $5 a month.....

 

 

 

I am p2p and I think ftp should get a new robe at 20 mage, 30 and 40, match the other classes, maybe it doesnt need to be as powerful as mystic but it would be good for ftp pking.

 

 

 

Ftp rangers got better ammo and who cared?

[Toxicologist]

If you think JAGeX makes profit greater than members out of F2P, then you are the one who requires a knowledge makeover. The reason they have F2P is as a stepping stone for people to go to members.

[PURESMITHER]

i resent that. When f2p people ask for new things over and over, members get annoyed...cause we PAY MONEY for the things we have, its annoying when f2p just wants new updates and stuf when they've gotten the most ever in a year in the history of the game. Now, f2p...can't you be satisifed with the generous updates jagex has given you and relax a little...Now back to the suggestion...not a bad one, f2p may need a new armor but make it like a lvl 25-30 thing...the reason there is no f2p mage armor is cause mages can do so much and are so powerful from long distance.

 

 

 

Wow, now I can bash people with my training sword, and beat the crap out of my fellow Runescapians with my training bow.[/sarcasm]

[Kiriyama]

y dont u just pay 5$ and get members? then u will have plenty of mage amour and if u carnt afford 5$ a month shut up and dont complain bout f2p

 

 

 

Typical, Arragant, members player.

 

I beleive f2p should have SOME mage armor. I attempted f2p pking as a mage and it was quite hard ebcause I would always get basehed around. I'd feel better with that extra protection on my bones

 

 

 

Blue mystic should be droped down to f2p

 

 

 

i resent that. When f2p people ask for new things over and over, members get annoyed...cause we PAY MONEY for the things we have, its annoying when f2p just wants new updates and stuf when they've gotten the most ever in a year in the history of the game. Now, f2p...can't you be satisifed with the generous updates jagex has given you and relax a little...Now back to the suggestion...not a bad one, f2p may need a new armor but make it like a lvl 25-30 thing...the reason there is no f2p mage armor is cause mages can do so much and are so powerful from long distance.

 

 

 

Amen.

[God_Hand21]

why do we only have basic mage armour?

 

 

 

Because your the basic version of the game.

 

 

 

Why can warriors get full rune then? How come rangers get green dhide?

 

I'm raving, because actually thats not the problem:

 

 

 

Mage hits very high, usually higher than range.

 

 

 

Not true. Max F2P mage hit is (refers to tip.it :-w ) 16, rangers is also 16, warriors is 24. <--- THERES SOMETHING WRONG HERE.

 

 

 

So it's not a defensive problem. It's an OFFENSIVE problem, or a lack of offense, I'd say. Warriors could potentially take out a mage w/ 99 hp in 5 hits, mages take at least (gets calculator :evil: ) 7 hits. Bind might be a viable option, but natures are very hard to come by on F2P, costing at least 300 a pop, where members have them free after a time (of leveling).

 

 

 

Mages are meant to be a "glass cannon" so to speak, to do lots of damage while being very fragile. They are very fragile, but their attack "bonus" wears off after a while, while their defense doesnt increase any. And because their defense SHOULDN'T increase, mages need to hit harder

 

 

 

Votes NO. for armor

 

Suggests a little more offense.

 

 

 

P.S. Flames bounce off of me. I won't notice them unless ure being kind in your criticism.

 

Yeah I'm probably wrong somewhere.