if that happens... I'll eat my rune full.

 

 

 

*sigh* as will I, becuase JaGEx will never do it, if they did, it would represent a major break from tradition.

 

 

 

Me, I don't support, not because I hate all freeplayers because they don't support the game I play, but for a much more practical reason.

 

 

 

Mages have poor armour becasue spells generally do little damage. In training, it's easy to rely on safespots with the mage. Think, the melee armour can take hits constantly from your general monster, the ranged armour is much weaker, and is best used in a safespot, but can take a hit or two on occasion (like 1 hit per monster while you're running back to the safespot, or collecting an arrow(s).) Mages rely pretty much wholeheartedly on the safespots as they can't take hits.

 

 

 

on a mages vs. rangers basis, I choose rangers because of the ability to use safespots, relatively low cost, and good all purpose armour (that is excellent looking), However that is not the subject. Mages have little in the way of defenses because of thier primarily offensive strategy. A mage hits very high, but suffers defensively, a ranger hits very low, but makes up for it in better defenses. Adding better magic armour (defensive wise) defeats this purpose.

 

 

 

also it'd throw off the mages/rangers balence. If mages would have better armour, (even on the level of studded for rangers), then why be a ranger, mages would then have the offensive and defensive to surpass even melee as the dominant class. To rectify this, one must needs make better ranged armour (or inversely have it hit higher), and edit melee armour.

 

 

 

therefore, that's why mages in freeplay don't need better armour defensively. This does not have anything to do with offenses, which greatly aid higher-level mages. As long as there is somthing to counter it with to not skew the triangle, I am all for such aproposition, also new mage robes look very much better, indeed and would improve it in general.

 

 

 

Mage hits very high, usually higher than range.

 

 

 

Not true. Max F2P mage hit is (refers to tip.it :-w ) 16, rangers is also 16, warriors is 24. <--- THERES SOMETHING WRONG HERE.

 

 

 

 

The main suggestion here is for an armor between level 10 and 40. The max hit for level 10 is 6. The max for level 40 is 12, not counting Crumble Undead.

 

 

 

Now range...

 

Level 10 is max hit 3. Level 40 is a max hit of 9. 3 hit difference, 3 hits can be a huge difference.

 

 

 

And if you were wondering...

 

Max hit for level 10 strength is 3, with no bonus. Level 40 is 6. See? MAge actually hits higher! Yes, warriors have weapons that give a strength bonus. But for a level 40 strength player to hit 12, they'd need a +76 bonus. That'd requiire a rune 2H and an Strength Ammy.

I'm saying mage EVENTAULLY loses it's edge. (After the 16 max fire blast, you can't get ANY MORE DAMAGE.) although, ure right, ranger at around the same level is much weaker. I'll give u that.

the only mage armor f2p needs is a blue wizzy bottom.

Well if Jagex DID release some mage armoiur to f2p yes I would think the dragon slayer quest would be required.

 

 

 

But I don't like these sorts of topics. An f2p suggests something then an arrogant member who thinks everyone can afford members acts as if the f2p was complaining then chucks a nut which then starts another f2p p2p war. I am constantly switching between both and I find that the f2ps and members are always fighting.

 

 

 

On other words, I do think f2ps do need some new mage armour. BUT, it would be hell for f2p melee people.

Those that posted if it happens i'll eat my hat/full rune. or ' pay $5 you freeloader and crap ' JaGex does cares about their non members, afterall people will test the game in the free version before paying for full membership. Would you sign up for a game when you didn't even try it before ?

 

 

 

During RSC theres no dragonhide for non members or trimmed items.They introduced these items to the F2p to 'encourage' them to become members and get way better stuff than that.Also, these items can be only obtained by members, another tactic for them to convince F2p'ers to sign up membership.

 

 

 

If you think your $5 is that great why dont you just limit F2p'ers to wear only bronze and iron should be only available to members?

 

 

 

If Runescape became a P2P game i would be sure that most members will quit too.Who would pay $5 a month to mine iron/coal or cut willows, members probably get these resources off non-members while they can earn money with other methods (probably easier,but F2p'ers will not complain because they're using the free version afterall)

 

 

 

In my opinion, i believe this is not an unfair request, not like we're asking for barrows and dragon for F2p. Just a basic 40 def armour like Green d-hide, Rune items.

yer...i agree with this..but defianately NOT mystic...like a new armour....

If you seriously want this idea, I suggest some kind of Mage Armour requiring around Magic Level 20. Maybe... Magic Robes? Battle Robes? Dunno. However, you must remember that the point of Mage Armour is not for defense, but for Magical Accuracy mainly.

Alright, for most of this, I've sat on the side and watched, just to see how it would turn out.

 

 

 

Thanks for the support from those of you who see this from my point of view.

 

 

 

To those of you who are rambling about how $5 is nothing and can be payed by anyone -- not if your parents are strict and nevous about entering their credit card number over the internet. (I don't want ANYONE to comment with 'Tell them its safe. Jagex is safe.', because I've tried it all.)

 

 

 

The offense for mages are a bit lower, yes, but I think asking for a bit better armor would be a bit more reasonable at first and asking a bit less than becoming more powerful.

 

 

 

Many have suggested a new type of armor as well, and I think that might be workable, but I saw lowering Mystic as an easier solution, to prevent P2P-ers from whining that F2P got "yet another huge update", as they like to call it.

mysic is what 150k now, by the time you have enough to get it on p2p, it sucks. shade robes are about the same def wise and, only what, like a 20 mage diffrance, you don't have 305 monsters you have to kill on f2p. Your highest monster is 86. the max hits aren't included with weakness, melee is weakened by mage

 

mage is weakened by range

 

range is weakened by melee

 

 

 

f2p could easaly take out a meleer with air blast, everyones higher on p2p so no 1-hits for us even with our best mage sets.

Mages are in truth, quite powerful enough as they are in F2P, especially at low levels. The problem is that once past level 70, Mages begin to lose their edge as their damage remains constant at 16 and their accuracy and attack speed is rather low in comparison to rangers, and not really that much higher than warriors. I believe, however; that the problem here is not armour/defense/accuracy, but magical damage: mages require more damage. I would be more inclined towards giving F2P the Wave Spells or the Snare spell rather than give them more armour, to allow a mage PKer to continue to grow as it levels, instead of stopping dead at a certain point.

:| :| :| :| ...........................i am satisified with my f2p player and what jagaxe will add is always welcome........................ :| :| :| :| :|

Wanna pk using mage and not get owned?

 

 

 

Use rune legs and kite instead of skirt and dragon fire shield.

 

 

 

Go try it, it owns melee up to the point that they need to take off their armor, then you put on your scim.

 

 

 

Now stop complaining.

all posts with "f2p" in it is just asking for a flame war, lol, u p2p'ers are on

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

havent read through other posts but, just saying that we dont really need mroe armor, what are we gonna do anyways with mage, fire blast till 99?..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

those robes are enough to get us 59 mage and thats all we need

okay heer it goes.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

change the blue wizards robe bottom peice to have a magic bonus of around 3 and a defence bonus of 1. last time I checked it has no bonuses at all, and remove the magic penalty to the anti dragon shield. this would be a simple update and not require makeing any new armour. it would do much to balance magic in f2p worlds.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

anouther idea is a higher level mage armour for both worlds with a minimun requirement of 40 magic and 40 defence and haveing completed dragon slayer to wear. it would give somthing like 10 defence and attack bonus for the top robe and 5 for the bottom.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I would like to see both become a realaty but at least the first one wouldent be too hard to implement.

The fact is, it doesn't matter what we think, it matters what JAGeX thinks. Us F2P can yell for hours, but we won't get it. However, F2P is not a demo, members is an extension. The ads cover the money needed to rune F2P.

If this hasn't been mentioned, there is shade robes

If this hasn't been mentioned, there is shade robes

 

 

 

don't they give only prayer bonus?

Although I completely agree with this arguement, I can't see it happening ever. I am F2p by the way, and I've learned to live with it. Beggars can't be choosers.

i like pink

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

pm me!

The fact is, it doesn't matter what we think

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

true

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

it matters what JAGeX thinks

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

true

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Us F2P can yell for hours, but we won't get it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

true, but it doesn't stop many

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

However, F2P is not a demo

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That's a matter of opinion.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

members is an extension

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

so is that

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The ads cover the money needed to rune F2P.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Not anymore, not by a long shot. Ads on websites of any kind are a very small source of revenue.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

F2P exists as a "loss leader", a business expense, like advertising, to get people to pay for the member benefits. In a way, this does make f2p a "demo", as it demonstrates some of the functionality of the "full" game.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Members is not one expansion, but a bunch of expansions, and f2p gets them as well, just a lot more rarely. After all, who do you cater to, paying customers or freeloaders whose cost is most definitely *not* covered by the revenue from advertisements?

no sorry if something i payed for for a year suddenly become avalblie for f2p i would feel cheated

y dont u just pay 5$ and get members? then u will have plenty of mage amour and if u carnt afford 5$ a month shut up and dont complain bout f2p

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

wow, no need to be rude. :shame:

mems here that r the real noobs, How would u feel if u were f2p and had our same problkem on evrything? huh? Ever put yourself in somebody elses shoes? Didn't think so and i bet when u guys were f2p, u guys did the same thing and don't lie cuz i know. So 7u noobs crawl back to your nooby fight pits or barrows and lets f2p do whatever they want.

mems here that r the real noobs, How would u feel if u were f2p and had our same problkem on evrything? huh? Ever put yourself in somebody elses shoes? Didn't think so and i bet when u guys were f2p, u guys did the same thing and don't lie cuz i know. So 7u noobs crawl back to your nooby fight pits or barrows and lets f2p do whatever they want.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No need to act this to P2Pers (nor to F2Pers), though what your saying is not true. Back, when I was F2P I was happy enough with what we had, big enough game, and why need to make P2P if you can max out some stats on F2P? I know, after playing 4 years F2P (includes RSC) it gets pretty boring, doing the same things over and over. Though I doubt you play that long, F2Pers have no reason the complain, what you give is what you get. F2Pers don't give anything, and get pretty much back actually. The main reason of the F2P system is, people might like it, but want more, and then they are idiot enough (like me) to buy P2P. They like people who pay (P2Pers) more, than people who don't pay (F2Pers), so they give the payers new things, ofcourse. Because we pay for it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Though it's true that F2P would need some new magic armour, but it will ruin the PK triangle, as said before.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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As you can see, it actually has a good system, which they shouldn't ruin in my opinion.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well, if you want more, you just have to spend the little $5, if your parent's don't want you to become a member, set up a PayPal account, and put Google ads on your site(if you have one) or sign up on one of them sites that gives money per visit on your created page. After a month or two you will have the $5 if you had enough people clicking your link.