I don't have any problem with the ACT of rc pking. What I have a problem with is the attitude of the pkers. They act like those know it all pures. They're 50 billion times better than you even if they don't have the necessary reaction time to actually attack.

rcpking is what i would call "fishing". You wait for hours to get a poor defenceless creature (or rcer). And what can those rcers (or fish) do? just don't fall for the bait! (in this case the bait is the abyss

I have to say that i'm not fully sure if i care about rc pkers or not. and i know this is suprising, cuz i myself am a lvl 61 abyss runecrafter. but i don't really mind because, to tell the truth i am more scared of the abyss that the pkers :lol: the only way i can even craft in the abyss without getting killed is to wear full rune, cuz i'm lvl 61. people tell me this is stupid, but hey i don't care if i die because i make more than 200k an hour, and i have never gotten killed yet exept once without any armour. so, i guess i don't care about pkers because if there is a lvl 60 there, i don't mind because atleast if i get killed by a pker, my rune is going to someone instead of being left behind in the abyss. and they never attack you until you out of abyss so i don't care. but all and all, i am not against them. it is just a form of pking that gets you free glories :thumbsup: sorry for the long post

I dont think its all that bad even though i abyssal runecraft the pkers are the only thing that makes it entertaining cause its so funny when they entangle you then waste runes on you only to have you tele a few seconds later then you come back with a wepon and they run.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It just stinks o lose ur pouches

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

3+ hours of killing and nothing to show for it

In my opinion on the subject, abyss pking is perfectly fine.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

When a pker attacks someone in the wild, they obtain a skul, not unlike the one presented to a runecrafter when the eager skiller travels into the abyss, correct? When a pker runs out of prayer and has no prayer pots, a pker is in the wild with a skull, and no prayer, yet they somehow magically survive, escape, even kill more people.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

A skull and 0 prayer do not a dead man walking make. It is not the end of the world and certainly no excuse not to have armour and a weapon. Afterall, the wilderness is an area of player versus player combat, and as such one who enters must prepare for such an area, skilling, pking, or not.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In my opinion the line, the large gap which is player and game created, between skiller and pker is drawn far to wide, and far too long. It would be a better wild, a more alive wild, if Pking and skilling were one -- an afterthought of eachother and second nature to all who would enter.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Imagine that fact. People going in with torags and a whip, a few sharks and such, and Mining rune, whilst pking Rune pkers and other miners who may be competition. Or, Rcers who would bring a whip, black dhide, darts, and the like to combat mages and meleers, sacrificing the most minute amount of runes made to kill and protect themselves (With prayer given from POH temples, which they SHOULD be using). Or, perhaps, Taking your harpoon, axe , and tinderbox and fishing sharks for pking food IN the wild -- which so far is so difficult to do I'd assume Jagex rather you not do it at all!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now, as not to drag on with my own conversation, i will adress the points you have made in the first post.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I hope I get this Code right..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Against:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

- Rcers are defenceless skillers and it takes no skill to kill them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Rcers are not defenseless skillers. Rcers have just as much oppurtunity to take offense and defense as any pkers has. As such, it cannot be blamed on the pker for the skillers weakness, rather the rcer is fully responsible for his or her irresponsible choice in entering a combat area -- with implied and accepted risk -- without first preparing for the dangers ahead (and to have the AUDACITY to complain afterwards is soemthing I do not understand.)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No skill can be as profitable at level 44 as Rcing, to my knowledge, and they DO have an alternate choice. They have to accept responsibility for their own actions.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

- Rc pkers should go pk at places with other pkers so they get a challenge.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As I said before, the line between pker and skiller should not exist in the form it does today. Anyone should be able to attack (and anticipate an attack) from anyone else in the level range. Challenge is provided by both parties of a fight -- not just one. The rcer in most situations provides no challenge to the pker with his own decision. He was not forced to, not coerced to. He or she made that choice himself or herself and therefore should not be given aid just because he or she is not hard to kill.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

- You lose all honour if you kill someone who is defenceless.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You have no courage if you choose to be defenseless by choice, and no hnour to complain of your own irresponsible decision afterwards.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thank you for reading my opinions.

Good post Pix, and I agree completely.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

For some reason people see "dishonour" in attacking people in the wilderness. The wilderness and all its parts were created so that people could be killed within its confines. People who go into it go in knowing it is a place made for fighting and risk.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thus, there's nothing unfair or "dishonourable" about killing someone who chooses not to prepare for battle.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This argument about killing RCers and skillers is basically a debate about the credentials of Anti-RPKing (Anti-Random Player Killing for those who don't know).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The whole debate breaks down to one simple question, "Is it OK for someone to attack someone that doesn't want to fight in the Wilderness?" My answer is a simple yes.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As explained when one enters the wilderness they know what they're getting into. Just because they don't WANT to be attacked and don't plan for it doesn't make them any different from every other person there. The wilderness was made for fighting, and so adds that element of risk to skilling and rcing.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I hope I wasn't overly repetitive.

Pix your whole post was stupid beyond belief, if you want an rcer to carry weapons and fight back, where do you propose they put the food needed to fight a pker?, +the extra armour set + super attack defence and str pot + prayer pot + anti poisen pot.. when your carrying a full load of essence.

 

 

 

You cant carry enough food to fight back against a seasoned pker and still have room for rune essence, hence your post is useless.

 

Personally i am against rc pking, those pkers waste there time i have only been pked once and for what a glory. :notalk:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well it is a free 50k. :-w

 

 

 

Thing is, the RCers make more money than that PKer does. That PKer wastes his time and especially of he's using Ice Burst or Barrage, he's probably losing more money than he's making. So honestly, if they get LUCKY enough to get a few PK's they made what? 200k in a 3-4 hour RC Pking session? Whereas the RCer made 1m atleast! IN THE SAME TIME. It's NOT that great of a money maker. They'd be better off Pking elsewhere or doing it on the PKing world.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm also against it, I've been PKed once, all they got was some red dhides and a glory, ooo that's like 90k ooo big money! They're also pathetic, I've gone and attacked them and they run away with their tails between their legs. Anyhow, it's pathetic, defenseless RCers against binds, TB's, or bursts/blitzes/barrages.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There's a lot better ways of making money faster than RC Pking for what? 3 glories in a day?

i can see why you would pk someone using a glory, but why do they pk someone using ancient teles?, the runes they use to pk you cost more then the loot (1 fire, 1 air and 2 laws).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

im prob 95% against

People should be afraid of the wilderness. Rc pkers are fine in my opinion. You don't want to be pked? then go run through karjama or entrana. There should be more Rc pkers and Rune pkers, why? Because there really is no "fear" of the wilderness anymore. That fear needs to be brought back.

I think that they have every right to pk a runecrafter i just don't understand why they're not looking for something more challenging i always like to improve my own skills instead of waiting for someone to come and tele when they come back with pking supplies.

nothing done on a java game is bad. Its just a game, all of you are getting all stressy, is rc pking bad, is it alright, is it good.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Who cares?

nothing done on a java game is bad. Its just a game, all of you are getting all stressy, is rc pking bad, is it alright, is it good.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Who cares?

 

 

 

So your quitting becouse you dont like the community, but you support every thing that makes the community [cabbage]?

 

 

 

You must ride the short bus to school.

 

nothing done on a java game is bad. Its just a game, all of you are getting all stressy, is rc pking bad, is it alright, is it good.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Who cares?

 

 

 

So your quitting becouse you dont like the community, but you support every thing that makes the community [cabbage]?

 

 

 

You must ride the short bus to school.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

How does pking someone make the community bad? :-k

 

 

nothing done on a java game is bad. Its just a game, all of you are getting all stressy, is rc pking bad, is it alright, is it good.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Who cares?

 

 

 

So your quitting becouse you dont like the community, but you support every thing that makes the community [cabbage]?

 

 

 

You must ride the short bus to school.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

How does pking someone make the community bad? :-k

 

 

 

Luring makes the community bad, and in a way rc pking does too, i dont have a problem with rc pkers but i have never fouht one who didnt tele if my initial attack didnt ko them.

This topic isn't about luring, and I do not support luring in anyway.(I'm sorry if it seems like I did) Rc pkers are the same as that other pker over there, except that they are more weak hearted then others. And everyone teleports, its not just something common to a rc pker.

This topic isn't about luring, and I do not support luring in anyway.(I'm sorry if it seems like I did) Rc pkers are the same as that other pker over there, except that they are more weak hearted then others. And everyone teleports, its not just something common to a rc pker.

If you bother to read his sig i believe it says LURER FOR LIFE in large block letters.

Pix your whole post was stupid beyond belief, if you want an rcer to carry weapons and fight back, where do you propose they put the food needed to fight a pker?, +the extra armour set + super attack defence and str pot + prayer pot + anti poisen pot.. when your carrying a full load of essence.

 

 

 

You cant carry enough food to fight back against a seasoned pker and still have room for rune essence, hence your post is useless.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1: This is called the debate club forum. It's an unwritten rule you don't use the word "Stupid". Grow up a little bit.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

2. Yes, you'll have to sacrifice 4-5 essence to carry some food, so what? You don't NEED Potions, and i fyou do you can pot up BEFORE you enter the wilderness. I thought that woudl have been common sense, but I stand corrected.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

3. If you retaliate to a normal abyss pker, they are going to run anyway.

 

Pix your whole post was stupid beyond belief, if you want an rcer to carry weapons and fight back, where do you propose they put the food needed to fight a pker?, +the extra armour set + super attack defence and str pot + prayer pot + anti poisen pot.. when your carrying a full load of essence.

 

 

 

You cant carry enough food to fight back against a seasoned pker and still have room for rune essence, hence your post is useless.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1: This is called the debate club forum. It's an unwritten rule you don't use the word "Stupid". Grow up a little bit.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

2. Yes, you'll have to sacrifice 4-5 essence to carry some food, so what? You don't NEED Potions, and i fyou do you can pot up BEFORE you enter the wilderness. I thought that woudl have been common sense, but I stand corrected.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

3. If you retaliate to a normal abyss pker, they are going to run anyway.

 

 

 

You have 4-5 food they have 16-20.. you now have a weapon added to what the pker will recieve when you die, which wont take long becouse you will be wearing dragon hide and he will be switching to rune and dds speccing you, your idea IS stupid.

 

 

 

Rc pkers run when confronted by a real player, not an rcer with no helm with 1 weapon and very little food.

 

 

 

Its a debate, and im debating the brainpower behind your suggestion.

With my relatively low combat level, it isn't to hard for me to evade the equally inexperienced RC pkers that antagonize me each trip, so I'm not quite as passionately agitated by them as many higher-leveled runecrafters. Ergo, my relationship with the pkers is fairly passive-agressive.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I do however believe RC pking is a purely necessary evil, chiefly for its economic benefit to inflation; and partially for its dent in the usual grinding work of traversing the abyss.

With my relatively low combat level, it isn't to hard for me to evade the equally inexperienced RC pkers that antagonize me each trip, so I'm not quite as passionately agitated by them as many higher-leveled runecrafters. Ergo, my relationship with the pkers is fairly passive-agressive.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I do however believe RC pking is a purely necessary evil, chiefly for its economic benefit to inflation; and partially for its dent in the usual grinding work of traversing the abyss.

 

 

 

What benefit to inflation? nat prices have barely changed in 5 years, 200 in rsc, 300 now.

 

 

 

Nats hit 300 gp long before the abyss existed, dont ever think that you and every rcer will ever out supply the demand for natures.

 

 

 

For every 1 rcer making nats there is 4 or 5 people alching there way to 85-99 mage.

 

 

 

What benefit to inflation? nat prices have barely changed in 5 years, 200 in rsc, 300 now.

 

 

 

Nats hit 300 gp long before the abyss existed

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So what's keeping them at 300? If the Abyss moved beyond the wildy, or lets say that grove of trees near shilo moved, then what?

If the abyss were to be moved out of the wilderness and put next to like the mage guild(which would be the most logical place) then we would see nats drop like my pa... err nevermind. :-w

NATS WILL NOT DROP!

 

 

 

God you people are thick, back in rsc BEFORE you could rc them, yes before you could get them apart from monster drops or telegrabbing them in 38 wild or thieving them they were 200 gp each..

 

 

 

In rs2 they rose to 300, LONG before the abyss or fast rc methods existed.

 

 

 

So your saying making them easier to make will make them drop? when in the past they have NEVER dropped?

 

 

 

If nothing else the cost of pure essence will keep nat prices up.

 

 

 

No matter how many nats come into the game there will be people with yew longs or steel plates or str ammys they want to alch, nats are supporting half of the skills in this game, they arnt about to drop in price.

 

With my relatively low combat level, it isn't to hard for me to evade the equally inexperienced RC pkers that antagonize me each trip, so I'm not quite as passionately agitated by them as many higher-leveled runecrafters. Ergo, my relationship with the pkers is fairly passive-agressive.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I do however believe RC pking is a purely necessary evil, chiefly for its economic benefit to inflation; and partially for its dent in the usual grinding work of traversing the abyss.

 

 

 

What benefit to inflation? nat prices have barely changed in 5 years, 200 in rsc, 300 now.

 

 

 

Nats hit 300 gp long before the abyss existed, dont ever think that you and every rcer will ever out supply the demand for natures.

 

 

 

For every 1 rcer making nats there is 4 or 5 people alching there way to 85-99 mage.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't mean inflation in regards to the price of a nature rune: I do mean the quantity of nature runes available for alching. An abyss free of pkers would make crafting nature runes almost as easy as mining the essence, which transforms runecrafting into almost irresistable occupation. This stimulates more alchemists, and more gp poured into circulation.