An abyss free of pkers would make crafting nature runes almost as easy as mining the essence.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Which is why they probably put it there in the 1st place.

 

 

With my relatively low combat level, it isn't to hard for me to evade the equally inexperienced RC pkers that antagonize me each trip, so I'm not quite as passionately agitated by them as many higher-leveled runecrafters. Ergo, my relationship with the pkers is fairly passive-agressive.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I do however believe RC pking is a purely necessary evil, chiefly for its economic benefit to inflation; and partially for its dent in the usual grinding work of traversing the abyss.

 

 

 

What benefit to inflation? nat prices have barely changed in 5 years, 200 in rsc, 300 now.

 

 

 

Nats hit 300 gp long before the abyss existed, dont ever think that you and every rcer will ever out supply the demand for natures.

 

 

 

For every 1 rcer making nats there is 4 or 5 people alching there way to 85-99 mage.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't mean inflation in regards to the price of a nature rune: I do mean the quantity of nature runes available for alching. An abyss free of pkers would make crafting nature runes almost as easy as mining the essence.

I dont think there is even enough rc pkers now to make a noticable difference in the ammount of nats reaching rs, and no matter how many nats come in, there is more yews, steel plates, magic logs, steel+ armour and weapons, rune meds, emerald + amulets and rings, ahrims staffs, battlestaffs, normal elemental staffs, ect reaching the economy, that will need allching.

 

 

 

With my relatively low combat level, it isn't to hard for me to evade the equally inexperienced RC pkers that antagonize me each trip, so I'm not quite as passionately agitated by them as many higher-leveled runecrafters. Ergo, my relationship with the pkers is fairly passive-agressive.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I do however believe RC pking is a purely necessary evil, chiefly for its economic benefit to inflation; and partially for its dent in the usual grinding work of traversing the abyss.

 

 

 

What benefit to inflation? nat prices have barely changed in 5 years, 200 in rsc, 300 now.

 

 

 

Nats hit 300 gp long before the abyss existed, dont ever think that you and every rcer will ever out supply the demand for natures.

 

 

 

For every 1 rcer making nats there is 4 or 5 people alching there way to 85-99 mage.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't mean inflation in regards to the price of a nature rune: I do mean the quantity of nature runes available for alching. An abyss free of pkers would make crafting nature runes almost as easy as mining the essence.

I dont think there is even enough rc pkers now to make a noticable difference in the ammount of nats reaching rs, and no matter how many nats come in, there is more yews, steel plates, magic logs, steel+ armour and weapons, rune meds, emerald + amulets and rings, ahrims staffs, battlestaffs, normal elemental staffs, ect reaching the economy, that will need allching.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The absence of Pkers would negate the need for food and protective items (in most cases), which would both increase the number of nature runes per rune and decrease both weight and the the amount of time spent walking. I'm pretty bad at speculating these sorts of situations, but I would expect tens of thousands more nature runes would be produced, including that of RCers that previously did not use the abyss because of Pkers or switched from using the traditional method instead.

For:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

- People enter the wilderness at their own risk, we just take advantage of that.

 

 

 

- JaGex made it in the wildy so that it would be risky otherwise runecrafting is too easy.

 

 

 

- Pking is a way of cash and rc pking is just another form of pking with easier kills than other ways.

 

 

 

- We all want glories and this is just another way to get them for free.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Against:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

- Rcers are defenceless skillers and it takes no skill to kill them.

 

 

 

- Rc pkers should go pk at places with other pkers so they get a challenge.

 

 

 

- You lose all honour if you kill someone who is defenceless.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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We don't "all" want glories and they're not free.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I disagree with the fact they're defenceless skillers. They CHOOSE to be defenceless. They could just as easily bring only 5 rune essence, and be fully armed and ready to fight back.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That's my attitude towards any activity that forces me into wilderness. I go armed to teeth and fight back. If you're defenceless, expect to be killed.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As for RC PKers going somewhere else:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you're out there for fun, I agree. It's much more thrilling to have a real fight with someone. But if you're trying to PK for money, then it's better to kill people who pose no risk and are carrying 50k, and relatively easy to kill.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And if you choose to be defenceless, then it's YOUR fault. Being defenceless and hoping they don't kill you is a horrible mentality.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't PK, but if I go out to the wild for something, I'm prepared to fight back.

Against:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

- Rcers are defenceless skillers and it takes no skill to kill them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

well you can look at the word skiller two ways someone who has no combat stats whatsoever who are infact defencless, meaning the abyss monsters would kill them anyway.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

or the average player that could easily survive the abyss monsters that just happens to be skilling. this kind of skiller should know to be prepared(and should be able to prepare themselves) before entering the abyss, dragon hide, high mage def equipment, ect.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

- Rc pkers should go pk at places with other pkers so they get a challenge.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

some pkers arnt in it for the challange but rather for the profit.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

- You lose all honour if you kill someone who is defenceless.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

this isnt a valid reason as there is no honour in runescape.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

really the only way I could see rc pkling as bad is if the entire runescape community agreed to not pk there (no chance in hell).

I hate you pansys who complain about RC pking or other similar forms of it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The wilderness was MEANT to be a dangerous place. That's why these great methods to make money/train are there in the first place. You shouldn't be able to get that much of a reward with such little risk.

Again, I'm not going to shake your hand because you think that you're some guardian of the wild, keeping it "dangerous for everyone".

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think the debate is running out on this topic.

against

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

most rc pkers are very inexperienced and will run at the sight of a normal pker, alot of their victims even get away, after being tb'ed and tangled.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

no flaming in a debate.. :shame: it only means u lost :shame:

I think I showed up alittle late to get my point in, it's probly been said a few times but...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Jagex put the abyss in the wilderness for a reason, to make it dangerous, with risk comes reward, i.e. faster runecrafting. But you also run the risk of being pked and loosing your stuff, which is a fair risk I'd say.

Personally, I am against it. I would never do that to anyone, and I hate when I get attacked in the wildy doing clues, or going through to make natures. I'm not a pker anyway, just not my thing.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think it's pretty low, but hey, that's the risk we take. I actually kind of like going into deep wildy to do a clue, gets the blood going :D

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I am against it, but they do have the right. Just have to outsmart them :thumbsup:

I actually kind of like going into deep wildy to do a clue, gets the blood going

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I am all for RC pking, i love that insecure feeling of wilderness how you never know whether the next few steps will be your last... It really does get the blood running and keeps you on your toes at all times.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

no flaming in a debate.. :shame: it only means u lost :shame:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you see flaming, please report it.

I didn't browse all the replies, so forgive me if anyone else has stated something similar.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I use the abyss all the time to runecraft and actually somewhat enjoy having the PKers around. It makes the very boring hours of running back and forth from the altar to bank a little more exciting.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I also enjoy the challenge of avoiding/defeating the PKers. Wearing black dragonhides, mind shield and helm. I also bring a house teleport tablet so I can quickly retreat and then use the glory in my house to almost instantly return to edgeville, grab some fighting gear and go turn the hunter into the hunted. I already know their equipment and tactics, and therefore always know the best counter-attacks to use.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Someone else mentioned this, and it's very true: the added danger makes less people runecraft, and therefore keeps the price of runes up.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In the end, I've never died running to the abyss and have even gotten an ahrims set once out of the deal... so hey, I'm all for them trying to kill me!

Again, I'm not going to shake your hand because you think that you're some guardian of the wild, keeping it "dangerous for everyone".

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think the debate is running out on this topic.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The problem is there isn't much to really debate about it. Obviously RC Pker's are not the bravest people out in the wilderness, obviously they are preying on the weak. I think we all agree on that and there really isn't anything to argue against.

I think perhaps a better debate is how to counteract them. There's much more to discuss in the way of strategies.

I think perhaps a better debate is how to counteract them. There's much more to discuss in the way of strategies.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

that can be discussed here, i'll edit the first post.

They are needed. What good is it if everyone can use the abyss without risk? That's just too cheap. The pkers are there as a barrier to entry for those who want to become abyssal rcers, which helps limit the amounts. Basically, they are just seeking profit

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What I can't stand are the idiots who:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

- blame me for teleporting (that's all I can do to escape death)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

- use the SAME strategy in the SAME way after it clearly not going to work (like running after me with a d baxe after it was pretty obvious that they can't inflict enough damage in time)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

- keep insisting on ancients after I teleported rendering their attempts useless (They're not thinking straight and wasting ancients spells, but they are also wasting my suplies)

I'm not against it. RC pkers know the risks, if they don't want to get pked, then don't use the abyss.

 

 

 

What I can't stand are the idiots who:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

- blame me for teleporting (that's all I can do to escape death)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

haha I couldn't agree more. Honestly, they are mad at you for not just standing there and dying! Simply absurd!

Killing Abyss Runecrafters is like killing new-born babies. I believe it is the lowest thing you can do in Runescape, even lower than begging. Also, how much fun can you have standing in the same spot for hours for messily 60,000gp kills? Some people forget what to really meaning of the game is, it is not about frustrating other players, it is about having fun, making friends and watch some hours fly by.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So in summary, I am 100% AGAINST Abyss Pking.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I hope that Abyss pkers find other less-degrading ways of making money such as merchanting or pking the proper way :/.

Alex, they are seaking profit killing people who are well aware of the risk they take. You, or any rcer for that matter, are NOT new-born babies, you DO know the risk and you are not 100% defenceless against them. If rcers were NOT aware of the risks then it wouldn't be fair, but that is not the case. also you are definetly not defenceless (well you can choose not to be, but that would be your fault) you can:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

- teleport

 

 

 

- bring food (safer but less runes per run thus less efficient)

 

 

 

- use the skeles for cover

 

 

 

- bring d hide armor

 

 

 

- or be simple, grab a bow and nail them down.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This game is about everything, including making profit. The pkers couldn't care less about what you feel, they just want to make their cash. That's why whenever I die I teleport back and immediately ask how much they want to give my stuff back, then no hard feeling and it's back to runecrafting (or pouch collecting if I fail to drop them). Most RC pkers are not bloodthirsty pkers who camp there the entire time just to see runecrafters squirm in pain. They want to make cash (even though it's not the most efficient way by far).

I have never pked and I've been playing for 2 years, but I do use the abyss quite abit because I resently started to craft 9.5k nats. Anyway, the pkers are what is the challenge and I don't know about other people but avoiding and being escaping from pkers makes it all the better and more exciting!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

O and we are 100% aware of the we take, thats why I also sometimes like to go to a group of pkers in the path of rcing and get them to attack me and then I usually kill them with magic or dragon dager(p++).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The only thing more fun and messed up then RC pking is RC PKer PKing, lol. BUT I ONLY DO IT FOR REVENGE!

Personally, i hate rc pkers and rc pking. But if the person is rcing in rune armor, dragon items, ect, i will try to kill them. But hey, its not hard to do ghost ahoy and get the ectophial. Its a good 1-click tele and there are teleport tablets that people can do too. If you abbyss craft, be prepared to tele fast. If you pk, prepare to get flammed and waste alot of time.

Personally i think the RS pking is fine the way it is. JaGEX should have certain areas in the wildy that arent in the wildy. Like the bank at the mage arena.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But, my real point is pking in general. If you die in the wildy and loose everything i think it is your own fault. You (the dead and sad players) took the risk of going into the wildy so it is your fault. But, do avoid losing items BANK THEM or go into an empty world

Alex, they are seaking profit killing people .

 

 

 

I also think that instead of pking meaning player killing it profit killing :?: