I saw this sub-forum and thought "whats a great debate we could have?" and suddenly thought of rc pking :wink: .

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Personally i am 100% against rc pking and think of it as a low way to pk with little or no skill providing you have 85mage.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I will try to list arguments for and against rc pking:

 

 

 

 

 

 

For:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

- People enter the wilderness at their own risk, we just take advantage of that.

 

 

 

- JaGex made it in the wildy so that it would be risky otherwise runecrafting is too easy.

 

 

 

- Pking is a way of cash and rc pking is just another form of pking with easier kills than other ways.

 

 

 

- We all want glories and this is just another way to get them for free.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Against:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

- Rcers are defenceless skillers and it takes no skill to kill them.

 

 

 

- Rc pkers should go pk at places with other pkers so they get a challenge.

 

 

 

- You lose all honour if you kill someone who is defenceless.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'll add more in the future :wink:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

EDIT: what's the best way to escape rc pkers? i wouldn't ask whats the best way to pk rcers for obvious reasons. :

I am very against this. Even the lowest type of pking, lurers, find this shameful. This is very sad, especially 1 item with dds people who attack, but I doubt they will ever get a kill that like, wasting my teles, food, and anti poisons.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ranged Crave

Rc pking is a very fast money maker. Look how many people have 44 rc + any world has glories for free which makes it a good sport to do. Good money maker.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Rc pking is bad as sometimes you lose worlds and cannot find the victims to your attacks.

Personally i am against rc pking, those pkers waste there time i have only been pked once and for what a glory. :notalk:

Personally i am against rc pking, those pkers waste there time i have only been pked once and for what a glory. :notalk:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well it is a free 50k. :-w

I have RC pked so some people will not make any more natures causing the price of natures to rise so more profit to me.

So, why did they exactly put the alter in the wilderness? It surly was not so someone would have an easier place to make runes.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No, it was because it is a dangerous area, and thats what the alter is about. Risk Vs. Reward as I have stated many times in countless other threads. You go into the wilderness, with the intention to get your reward [runes in this case], and you should expect some sort of risk. "RC pker's" create this risk, and belive it or not help the runecrafters by keeping the price of runes up, instead of letting them fall because of the ease to get.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There really is no place to "ever" complain about getting killed in the wilderness, whilst you were simply gathering materials, exploring or pk'ing. If you are in the wilderness there *should* be a high chance of you dying from another player.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Why do you think Jagex decided to put several *very nice* spawns in the wilderness? The green dragons, runerocks, RC alter. It isn't because they ran out of room -- oh no. It's because they wanted a chalange to get these items, a chalange that they themselves couldn't provide. This challange comes in the form of PK'ers.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Anyways:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

- Rcers are defenceless skillers and it takes no skill to kill them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Defensless or not, a kill is a kill. If you walk into the wilderness - especialy deffensless, do not expect to stay alive for long.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

- Rc pkers should go pk at places with other pkers so they get a challenge.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Perhaps they should go to other, more dangerous spots. The RC area is generaly an area with easy kills so many choose to stick there. Arguably they aren't risking much but then again their actual gain isn't that much either. If they were to go into a high level wilderness their risk would be much higher, but their chance of gaining better stuff is also higher.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

- You lose all honour if you kill someone who is defenceless.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Is there a chance you might "lose respect" from varrious people if you pk at the alter? Probaly, yeah. Some people won't like you for it, they'll call you names, ect. ect. The thing is though is that this simply flags the person as more of a criminal type, picking on the weak to better themself. There is nothing wrong with that, different people enjoy different ways of playing a game.

Nice topic.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I know a lot of people are against RC PKing. While I do think it's shameful, there are many pros that people don't think of. I am about 80% against it, and I've never RC PKed or attempted to.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Reasons Why I Support RC PKing:

 

 

 

- It's in the wildy. If I want to run into the abyss, I have to take the risk of being PKed.

 

 

 

- Because the abyss is in the wildy, the price of nats raises. Think about it: if the abyss was in the normal RS world, more people would craft nats, causing the price to drop. I'm willing to take the risk of getting killed to make my trips a little more worthwhile.

 

 

 

- I don't have to be defenceless. I could take a whip and food with me each time I run in the abyss.

 

 

 

- It is EXTREMELY amusing to come back with dds, splitbark top, mystic bottom, and runes, then teleblock and entangle the very "pker" who tried to kill you when you were runecrafting.

 

 

 

- It breaks up the monotony of runecrafting. It's nice to always have to be alert when training the skill; makes me actually concentrate - unlike some other skills.

 

 

 

- If a pker entangles you, tele. If a pker teleblocks you, run. If you get dds'ed, run or tele. I've thought on countless occasions that you REALLY have to not be paying attention to get killed by an RC PKer.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Reasons Why I am Against RC PKing:

 

 

 

- I'm running with a spottier cape, glory, pouches, boots of lightness, rune ess, and a bronze pick. I'm defenceless!

 

 

 

- Countering my third supportive reason, why should I have to bring armor and food? The point of the abyss is to craft lots of nats; making me strap on armor and a weapon and having me carry food with me is illogical.

 

 

 

- Come on, you think you're pking because you can teleblock and entangle a guy with no armor or food? You're not a pker, I'm sorry.

 

 

 

- Very rarely is there a skill that requires risk in order to level effectively. Combat, no. Herblore, no. Fishing, no. Runecrafting, yes. What's up with this?

 

 

 

- If you are 90+ combat, certainly you've got a better way of making money than standing in one spot for 2 hours, waiting for a 60k pk. You do realize you can spend about 20 mins in the abyss with just 44 runecrafting and make the money for a glory?

 

 

 

- If you're 110+ combat (and this is pathetic), kill the KQ! Go DKing! You've got the skills, use them effectively!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

All I can think of at the moment. I've crafted 150k+ nats in the abyss, so I'd like to think I'm knowledgable in the subject. Just wait until Tripsis gets here. :XD:

I personally dont like them, but hey its the wilderness. Anything goes. :wink: We got to live with it or try to solve it, such as wearing d'hide. :)

- I'm running with a spottier cape, glory, pouches, boots of lightness, rune ess, and a bronze pick. I'm defenceless!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Oh, but you still have that glory on you, worth something. Either way it doesn't matter if you are decked out in full rune or have nothing, your a target to others in the wilderness.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

- Countering my third supportive reason, why should I have to bring armor and food? The point of the abyss is to craft lots of nats; making me strap on armor and a weapon and having me carry food with me is illogical.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Risk VS. Reward. IF you carry more food on you you will craft less nature runes, but will be able to get away more likely if a pker attacks you. If you have no food, no armor, nothing there is a good chance you will die.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

- Come on, you think you're pking because you can teleblock and entangle a guy with no armor or food? You're not a pker, I'm sorry.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

PK = Player Kill. A PKer is someone who kills other players. I fail to see how someone who is killing another player can't be refered to as a "Pker"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

- Very rarely is there a skill that requires risk in order to level effectively. Combat, no. Herblore, no. Fishing, no. Runecrafting, yes. What's up with this?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There are other ways to craft runes other than the abyss, right? The good stuff is in the wilderness, although granted they haven't put any good fishing/herblore spots in the wilderness. However, mining = rune = wilderness. There are also many great areas in the wilderness for combat that can't be found outside of it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

- If you are 90+ combat, certainly you've got a better way of making money than standing in one spot for 2 hours, waiting for a 60k pk. You do realize you can spend about 20 mins in the abyss with just 44 runecrafting and make the money for a glory?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Doubtfully someone is waiting 2 hours. However varrious people enjoy varrious things. If someone wants to destroy the weak I say let them, it creates tension and makes it so that the crafter has to be more aware of his or her surroundings, which is something generaly drasticly lacking in runescape.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

- If you're 110+ combat (and this is pathetic), kill the KQ! Go DKing! You've got the skills, use them effectively!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Or you could PK people. Again, different people -- different hobbies. I would rather sit in the wilderness, stalking and then killing my prey instead of killing a giant bug. If they don't want to take the risk of a higher level wilderness, so be it. They aren't getting much from this.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Good to see some conversation going on hopefully.

PK = Player Kill. A PKer is someone who kills other players. I fail to see how someone who is killing another player can't be refered to as a "Pker"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Maybe I should have rephrased that. You're not a good pker.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There are other ways to craft runes other than the abyss, right? The good stuff is in the wilderness, although granted they haven't put any good fishing/herblore spots in the wilderness. However, mining = rune = wilderness. There are also many great areas in the wilderness for combat that can't be found outside of it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, but the abyss is the most effective. Most effective way to level combat? PC. Herblore? Buy lots of ingredients in a completely safe bank. Fishing? Shilo village or monkfish or lobs (not really sure). Mining = spot by dark beasts (no pkers there, but some risk) or hero's guild = non-wildy. The most effective way of mining rune is arguably by dark beasts. Bar none, the best way to runecraft is the abyss.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And there are lots of ways to have fun, obviously. I just don't see how waiting for a player to run to a Zammy Mage just to get 60k is fun. I'd prefer seeing the KQ drop a d chain.

 

 

 

Maybe I should have rephrased that. You're not a good pker.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Possibly, yeah. Still doesn't stop 'em though.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, but the abyss is the most effective. Most effective way to level combat? PC. Herblore? Buy lots of ingredients in a completely safe bank. Fishing? Shilo village or monkfish or lobs (not really sure). Mining = spot by dark beasts (no pkers there, but some risk) or hero's guild = non-wildy. The most effective way of mining rune is arguably by dark beasts. Bar none, the best way to runecraft is the abyss.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ok, your talking about leveling, not money. In that case the abyss is the best for leveling.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And there are lots of ways to have fun, obviously. I just don't see how waiting for a player to run to a Zammy Mage just to get 60k is fun. I'd prefer seeing the KQ drop a d chain.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I prefer to kill people ;p. Thats what I'm talking about where people differ.

No, I don't beleive its all that bad as Abyss Rcing is meant to be risky. Also if they don't want to risk being pked then there is always the option of normal runcrafting although that is arguably slower. However can can see the point of the Abyss crafters as its never fun to be pked whilst skilling!

Im about 50/50... Yes the Rc'er is defenceless, and yes they're easy targets... I mean, if ones for full black d hide, rune pic and glory and various mystic parts, thats a free 130k+ :-w

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

However, there is no honour in it, and 9/10 the Rc pker has tellies himself -.-

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Then again, they enter at their own risky. With risk comes wealth... So there is no 100% for/against argument...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Although, what i do hate is people who rant about Rc pkers...

I personally don't PK just to make fast cash. I pk because I enjoy a challenge in a fight, so I don't like killing rcers.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But I also don't see anything wrong with it. They go into the wilderness knowing what will happen to them and they accept it. There's nothing dishonourable about killing people who are rcing in the wilderness by choice.

50/50 stance on this, They keep rune prices the same but are killing defenceless players, anyway I am gonna get 99 range to beat them up anyway.

1 word.... YES

Well, I'm actually against it. Because it's an unfair fight against players who are helpless and if the Runecrafter Pker's get attacked, they immediately run, pray or tele. I always think they're that kind of newbie Pker's, who have just started, or aren't brave enough to kill people near Mage Arena bank.

 

 

 

Somehow killing runecrafters isn't worth it, they can really easily run or teleport away if your spell fails and I see those pker's risking with ahrims, whips just to get a kill worth of 60K. That's not much profit, yet you can kill them fast and a lot, so that gives profit.

Yes.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Jagex designed the Abyss into the Wilderness so that people can get runes made faster, but at a higher risk. If people use it, and they don't want to get PK'ed, then don't use it.

1 word.... YES

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Care to back up your stance on why RC PKing is bad?

I'm gonna toss a quick reply and come back later to join in -

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You have EVERY right to RC PK. I also have every right to hate you for it, and to come back and wipe you off the map. I know you're gonna run and teleport as SOON as you see me hit my first 20 with range, so it's not even worth trying.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So sure, go ahead and pk at the abyss, but you have no grounds for complaint when people despise you for it.

I am very against this. Even the lowest type of pking, lurers, find this shameful. This is very sad, especially 1 item with dds people who attack, but I doubt they will ever get a kill that like, wasting my teles, food, and anti poisons.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ranged Crave

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What? But you were getting me, I got the pics

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

*This is all faulse, he asked me to kill him, but im making it look like hes the bad one, hes doesnt*

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

im really agaisnt it, im a rcer an there bull lol

Abyss is there to make runecrafting easy, but it also comes with a risk. If you don't want to take that risk then running through karamja or Entrana is what you are going to have to do.

Unless the rc pker knows how to pk properly (tb and entangle), they are just wasting my time,food,anti poisons and glory charges. If they want a glory that badly, i don't see how a lv 90+ can't make 50k+ in a short time

Yea, if the abyss was out of the wilderness, runecrafting would be WAY too easy. I mean, 8 months of nature crafting is a breeze!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As you might be able to tell from my sarcasm, I am against abyss pking. To be honest, I consider it the lowest form of pking, requiring a very minimal amount of intelligence and talent. I also find it amusing that 90% of rc pkers around my level (110-120) have disgustingly low totals. Coincidence? :?