Success or Failure capes?

[Jake_Corsair]

It's these kind of topics I love. People are complaining over some item having +2 over another harder-to-get item.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

+2 isn't gonna make much difference in whether you live or die. You need to be getting into +50 or +100 before damage becomes an issue. Really, it doesn't matter which is better because at such high levels of defense bonus we obtain already with just rune armor, +2 isn't gonna do squat to whether someone will live or die.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But it's not really the amount of the bonus, it's more, the principal of the bonus that's really being discussed.

[InkofDeath]

Well from a previous topic i read something along the lines of:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"When someone used to look at the character they saw combat level, not that 99prayer or 99herblore they may have, with the new capes you can ignore the combat level entirely or just add it in some-what, along side the skill cape".

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You almost always judged someone at first glance by their combat level or what they were wearing, you look at a level 3, nothing on, autoer!, you then see a level 3 with a red phat, skiller, you then could see a level 126 with no armour on or some noobish somewhat items you would think pc product, if u were to see a lvl 126 with full dragon and red phat, you'd assume that they took the time on all of their skills.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

With skill capes you can look at that 126 with noobish items on, but see the 99herblore cape and then immediately your judgment isn't a noob, but a very wealthy skiller or such.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Skill capes bring respect to you no matter your combat level or the wealth of items you have one, but to some bought out skills aren't that great, but thats some peoples opinions~ a 99 is a 99, or it doesn't matter the skill, how you got the skill form 1-99 really matters~

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Fire capes demand more then one skill to be high level, even some non-skills have to be high, such as money and experience at some pking reflexes or actual combat training on high or mid level monsters reflexes.

 

 

 

Also combat skills and at least 2 different types of combat skills must be high level, or your very skilled overall in fight caves, such as range and melee stats, or melee and magic stats or range and magic stats. also money i think is at least 1mill for a crystal bow sometimes you need two crystal bows, also the pots are very costly, and this requires money, a lot of money. This means you would need to have knowledge or experience in making money and being prepared to lose it all with no profits money-wise. But in my opinion fire capes do require much more effort then training one skill, and probably more experience in doing the mini-game then in a skill.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Putting that aside your left with stats, it is true if you have 99 def and good armour such as barrows a +9 or +11 will not really matter much, so either way can work fine, but if you did want better defense then fire cape is the way to go, but also prayer must be taken into effect. If prayer isn't the main key component in the type of combat:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Steel dragons=higher your prayer and higher your prayer bonus=longer prayer=longer stays.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Chickens=higher attack bonus and higher hp will allow you to stay longer, not prayer, prayer will run out faster then it would with 28sharks/lobbs then 28 pray pots.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If your going for prayer and absolutely need prayer then skill capes, but if its for something like fire giants, fire cape would be better.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In overall I'd have to say fire cape, it gives respect(unlike some skill capes do), it gives better defense bonus then skill capes, it has lower prayer bonus but combat defense are more widely used then prayer, it takes less time but gives just as much or should as skill capes, and who doesn't like lava running down their backs?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Although skill capes can be argued just as effectively such as their cheaper to replace, but i highly doubt someone will lose their fire cape enough times to make it cost just as much as getting a skill to 99 and buying the cape. they give an emote, so do fire capes, just less enthusiastic.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

FUN!

 

 

 

=)

[Noob_Sammich]

Its more of a pride issue. People wear them to show off perfection. Its not just about the bonuses.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

NS

[Peronix]

Yeah, I have always wondered why Jagex decided to make the capes, nothing more than a way to look 'cool'. The 'bonus' does nothing TBH.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The fire cape is just a symbol that you had enough money, a reliable enough computer, and good enough reflexes to accomplish somthing; that took only a few hours. I don't know why Jagex decided to make the combat 99 capes have no respective bonuses in defense of a stupid minigame reward. I mean, the animation on the fire cape is good enough.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Why can't we have melee attack bonuses on the 99 attack cape?

 

 

 

Why can't the defense cape give the best defense of any cape in the game?

 

 

 

Why dosen't the strength cape give any strength bonus?

 

 

 

Why dosen't the range cape give a range bonus?

 

 

 

For godsake, why isn't the magic cape at least as good as the stinkin' god capes; and why can't it be BETTER, when it takes like 60 times the effort to get?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

All of those above things certainly take MUCH longer to accomplish than the cape pieces that beat them in those stats; so why can't the achievement capes be worth wearing for their stats? And the little bonus just dosen't cut it... it dosen't stack with superpots, which people use most of the time anyway, so there is no point to it.

[fakeitormakeit]

I think that it is fine how it is. Although skill capes give you two(2) points less then the fire cape, it gives you further knowledge in that skills, above the 99mark. Also, the skills(with the exception of attack, defense, strength, magic, range, prayer and hitpoints) focus on themselves, not on combat I would still enjoy a skill cape with 0 bonuses.

[kam42705]

So in essence, it all comes down to the question, time, skill. or money? Well to tell you the truth its all that. A fire cape demonstrates that you got over 7 million xp spread over each and every one of the combat skills, but a skill cape demonstrates that you got slightly more than 13 million xp in a SINGLE skill. The fact is though, to get a skill cape, you can simply SPEND 5 million gp to BUY the materials needed for you to GET level 99. Or, you could go the hard way and EARN it yourself. The skill capes, unfortunately, provide no way to distinguish between the two. A fire cape on the other hand, enable you to show others your skill in combat, and how great you are in combat. Having 7 combat skills at over level 70, is much more difficult than getting a level 99 in a single skill. The time you spent on training clearly outweighs the time you spent on a level 99 skill. So it only FAIR that a fire cape has better COMBAT stats, since you did work hard for it. A skill cape is not directly combat-based, and it is fair that its benefits are not so great in combat, but in the skill it was created for. \

[Deiophobus]

Well, I think it depends what kind of skill.

 

 

 

Like cooking, you can just click a few times, then browse the forums, and repeat.

 

 

 

For the fire cape you actually have to concentrate, and know what you're doing. I'd be more impressed if i saw a level 60 with a fire cape then a level 60 with a cooking cape.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I mean, with certain skills like herblore, you really need determination, and time. You need to be doing things the whole time, not just click and have your character do actions for you.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And with the firecape you need to fight through 63 waves of monsters, with many challenges, so it should make sense that its better.

[Peronix]

Well, I think it depends what kind of skill.

 

 

 

Like cooking, you can just click a few times, then browse the forums, and repeat.

 

 

 

For the fire cape you actually have to concentrate, and know what you're doing. I'd be more impressed if i saw a level 60 with a fire cape then a level 60 with a cooking cape.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I mean, with certain skills like herblore, you really need determination, and time. You need to be doing things the whole time, not just click and have your character do actions for you.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And with the firecape you need to fight through 63 waves of monsters, with many challenges, so it should make sense that its better.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well yeah TBH fire cape is more impressive than cooking cape. But I'm not saying cooking cape should have better stats, I'm saying that the combat capes should have good bonuses in the skill they are related to. Combat related capes are like 5x more impressive than a fire cape IMO; so like I said, attack capes deserves melee attack bonus, strength cape deserves strength bonus ect.... and cooking cape deserves somthing that will benefit the cooking skill; the one extra level is pretty useless when with gaunts you can already no-burn sharks. And even more useless in a skill like fletching...

[Dino_Da_Gino]

Well the skill capes do have an added bonus, they raise your level to 100 when you wear it, making that skill better when you are putting it to use if you are wearing your cape.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think Jagex put the same bonus as an Obby cape on Skill capes because they knew people were going to want to wear them over an Obby cape any day... I know I'm going to when I get my Woodcutting cape. So they might as well make them decent, right? Even if it is 2 points... I would feel bad if my skill cape wasn't as good as my Obby one, hehe.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I do think the Fire cape should have higher bonuses for combat though, as you need to be pretty good at all types to get one. Maybe the combat Skill capes should have higher combat bonuses, but not a cooking cape :D

[123Yourgone]

 

 

 

I do think the Fire cape should have higher bonuses for combat though, as you need to be pretty good at all types to get one.

 

 

 

If you consider Range and prayer to be all combat skills then sure, but you dont actually have to be good at them 43 prayer and 70 range is enough.

[Dino_Da_Gino]

 

 

 

 

I do think the Fire cape should have higher bonuses for combat though, as you need to be pretty good at all types to get one.

 

 

 

If you consider Range and prayer to be all combat skills then sure, but you dont actually have to be good at them 43 prayer and 70 range is enough.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

well I've never actually attempted to get a fire cape, so I'm not exactly sure what lvls you would really need to be. I thought you would need more than the minimum of 43 prayer... shows what I know :lol:

[123Yourgone]

 

 

 

 

 

I do think the Fire cape should have higher bonuses for combat though, as you need to be pretty good at all types to get one.

 

 

 

If you consider Range and prayer to be all combat skills then sure, but you dont actually have to be good at them 43 prayer and 70 range is enough.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

well I've never actually attempted to get a fire cape, so I'm not exactly sure what lvls you would really need to be. I thought you would need more than the minimum of 43 prayer... shows what I know :lol:

 

 

 

All you need is 43 prayer it can probably be done with 60 range if you got the reflexes and the right invent.

[WolfhunterXZ]

Moving back on topic, I still think that the Capes of Achievement are indeed a great success! I love how they look, and it's a way to celebrate all your hard work, plus the emotes are always awesome. Anyhow, it also gives people something other than just getting 99 in a skill, it gives them a reason to be able to show they have the 99 skill, as well as have another reward for working so hard for it. That's my opinion. :)

[tehpwnage]

when it comes down to it the skill capes are basically to show off and the fire cape is mainly for combat. though i doubt the extra prayer bonus of the trimmed capes show that this is true, but none the less i stick with my opinion.

[dude_of_war4]

but those 2 hours of solid combat are the most challenging for most players and you can fail a 99 skill, plus a 99 skill can be macroed

[123Yourgone]

but those 2 hours of solid combat are the most challenging for most players and you can fail a 99 skill, plus a 99 skill can be macroed

 

 

 

Not even close to most challenging :P, try 3 on 1 the dag kings :D

[Peronix]

but those 2 hours of solid combat are the most challenging for most players and you can fail a 99 skill, plus a 99 skill can be macroed

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes you can fail a 99 skill. You can fail it by getting bored and just giving up. And BTW, if you macro a 99 skill, chances are you'll be banned (probally before you reach 99).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And really, all's the fire cape shows is that you have a reliable enough computer and good reflexes. That two hours of combat really isn't challenging; the only hard part is Jad, who can either surrender the cape to you or force you to do another two hours of combat.

[Darkluniux]

Why a guy who is doing this all day:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

use tinderbox ----> logs The logs start to burn.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Congratulations you've just have advanced a firemaking level.

 

 

 

Your firemaking level is now 2

 

 

 

Member can now seriously think on getting our level 99 firemaking cape.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Deserve to get better combat bonus than a guy who must get awesome ranged, attack, defence, hitpoints, prayer and strenght levels by killing creatures using combat abilities and risking lossing items to the barrows brothers just to do like at least 1 trip wich worth alot of money in suplies used just 1 time to kill the hardest and deadliest monster in-game ??

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Seriusly, a lvl 3 macro can have a trimmed lvl 99 cape, but a lvl 114 (who got many level 99 stats) can fail a lot of times in getting the fire cape.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Anyways, the achievement capes are here to the players that want to say htis (HEY! I GOT LVL 99 FIREMAKING BY SITTING IN A CHAIR IN FRONT OF THE COMPUTER ALL THE DAY, MWUAHAHAH!). Yup, for that a lvl 99 cape must be respected, because the wearer sitted in that chair more time than me (becaus ei have none skill 99).

[swampjedi]

When you start pulling out the "you have no life" attack, you've lost.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If we're lower level than you, we're noobs.

 

 

 

If we're higher, we have no life.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

All of runescape is sitting in a chair, don't ever forget that.

[123Yourgone]

Why a guy who is doing this all day:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

use tinderbox ----> logs The logs start to burn.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Congratulations you've just have advanced a firemaking level.

 

 

 

Your firemaking level is now 2

 

 

 

Member can now seriously think on getting our level 99 firemaking cape.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Deserve to get better combat bonus than a guy who must get awesome ranged, attack, defence, hitpoints, prayer and strenght levels by killing creatures using combat abilities and risking lossing items to the barrows brothers just to do like at least 1 trip wich worth alot of money in suplies used just 1 time to kill the hardest and deadliest monster in-game ??

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Seriusly, a lvl 3 macro can have a trimmed lvl 99 cape, but a lvl 114 (who got many level 99 stats) can fail a lot of times in getting the fire cape.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Anyways, the achievement capes are here to the players that want to say htis (HEY! I GOT LVL 99 FIREMAKING BY SITTING IN A CHAIR IN FRONT OF THE COMPUTER ALL THE DAY, MWUAHAHAH!). Yup, for that a lvl 99 cape must be respected, because the wearer sitted in that chair more time than me (becaus ei have none skill 99).

 

 

 

How stupid can you get?

 

 

 

Explain how you need high attack str and defence to do the fight caves?.

 

 

 

This is how you do fight caves..

 

 

 

Equip crystal bow, put on protection prayer, click on monster.

 

 

 

Repeat till you get to jad.

 

 

 

Watch jad for signs of what attack he is going to do, change prayers to deal with it, click attack.

 

 

 

Drink prayer potion when it gets low.

 

 

 

hit healers to stop them healing.

 

 

 

I have done fight caves with 52 prayer and 74 range twice, without using a single other skill.

 

 

 

I have played rs since 2001 and have only attained 5 99 skills ( all combat skills).

 

 

 

So dont try tell me how terribly hard it is to do fight caves.

 

 

 

Requirements for caves:

 

 

 

70+ range

 

 

 

43+ prayer

 

 

 

good internet connection

 

 

 

Good reflexes.

[dutchdreams]

Define failure and success.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Judged by the number of people wearing skill capes I see inside the game, I'd say they are a big success. They scored high on the tipit general P2P thread on the best updates of 2006, so yes people obviously like them for various reasons. Personally, I'd like them more if Jagex had left out the emotes, but hey, that's just me.

 

 

 

They provide something to aim for to some. To others, who already obtained the 99 before the capes were introduced, they were a nice extra feature.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The majority of the Runescape skills are non-combat. Still expecting a cape having nothing to do with combat (e.g. thieving, woodcutting) , to give more combat bonuses than the purely combat-based fire cape is not realistic. On that same line of reasoning, I'd say they give more bonuses than I would've expected Jagex to give them.

 

 

 

If people expected a cape with awesome unrealistic bonuses, then one could say they are a disappointment to those, but not a failure.

[mikeb912]

Skill capes are just something to say "Hey look, I made it this far because I worked hard and at one time I was just like you." They're mainly something to show how much you love runescape.

[Guitarted7]

im the owner of a quest cape and a cooking cape...soon to own an attack cape as well

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

as for a fire cape, im still too afraid to try and get one, i think a fire cape is an achievement too....it requires skill, patience, levels, wealth...etc.

[Freesia]

I have serious doubts that you can achieve fire cape in the first try.. You will most likely fail 3-5 times before you got it, retrying the whole 62 waves of monsters is not something you would enjoy doing :wall:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I have to admit i believe i had enough patience for a mining cape, never enough skill for a fire cape :(

[Senseiwoodcut]

Im about to get a 99 cape in woodcutting. And I still have yet to get a fire cape. Why? Too hard. I respect those that have a fire cape more than say, a cooking cape. Skills capes, espcially trimmed ones are worthwhile seeing as the only thing that beats them is the fire cape, and the weaker obsidian cape is nearly three times as expensive. And the capes do give some bonus', such as +1 str atk ect.