But its their culture.

In some cultures they belived it was ok to sacrifice young girls so sun and rain Gods. That doesnt make it ok.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Preeecisely. You're welcome to practice your culture's beliefs as long as they don't impinge on others.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's very easy to say "but it's their culture" when you're not being forced into a marriage.

 

But its their culture.

In some cultures they belived it was ok to sacrifice young girls so sun and rain Gods. That doesnt make it ok.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Therer are stories in this country (England) where women and girls from mainly Pakistani backgrounds are just flown back to Pakistan for an arranged marriage against their will and they have their passports taken away so they cannot return. Its sickening. I don't care if its someones religion or culture, its against human rights and should be stopped.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Morality isn't universal, sure it may seem sickening to us, but think about what the parents of these girls think. They think it's ok, we don't. So when I hear stories like those you mention, I count my lucky stars I live in Australia.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And @ Parabola, I agree, the beliefs of one should never be forced onto another if it harms them. I remember hearing a story of an Islamic girl who wanted to marry a christian boy and go and live in his country. The girls family willingly killed her. :-X

It still is illegal in many strict Islamic countries to convert to Christianity by punishment of death.

It still is illegal in many strict Islamic countries to convert to Christianity by punishment of death.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I thought they are conversion rules in marriage that isn't punishable by death in those countries. I remember about a certain order of religion that has to be followed in each different cases.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I remember hearing a story of an Islamic girl who wanted to marry a christian boy and go and live in his country. The girls family willingly killed her.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Some other cultures will do the same if they found out that girl have lost its virginity before the arranged marriage.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

For the main point of the topic, this kind of marriage is still set up today in some cultures {since it has been maintained as a traditional moral rule and value.} Arguing about this would imply about their community and their social values as well.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No, you asked 'Depends how you define life'

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You can have a life without your spouse.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

lol. Yeah dude, it's called divorce

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So you're telling me if I have a wife I have to always be with her?

So you're telling me if I have a wife I have to always be with her?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What do you want? A weekend wife?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's hardly barbaric, but I think that people should be able to choose the people they spend the rest of their lives with. That said, arranged marriages often last longer than chosen ones.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's one thing to say no before the marriage. It's a whole different thing to divorce after.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

With the current US divorce statistics (over 50% of married couples will divorce), it's quite theatrical.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Why promise "till death do us apart" if you'll be offset by the smallest problems? If almost, or over, half of the population gets a divorce in their lives, they all can't have deadly serious issues. They divorce just because they can.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

We went through this before haven't we? Marriage in the US doesn't represent marriage as a whole.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Guess what the divorce rate is in the Philippines...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I don't agree with the practice, though mainly because of all I hear about the results of not consenting to marry the other person. I don't have anything against one's parents choosing a spouse for one as long as one has the option to say no... but that's not the issue. Similarly, I don't have a problem with most traditions that don't mess someone's life up (so I DO have a problem with lots of arranges marriages).

 

Arranged or not, marriage is a joke.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Are you Homosexual? Serious question. Because the only people who I've heard say that marriage is a joke are homos to this day.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm sure most homosexuals are pro-marriage. Especially since they're fighting so hard to have it legalized for themselves down in the states.

Its studiply evil

I think that the love comes later .. sometimes not at all. I think the only reason people go through with it is beacuse of parents.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I've been to loads of weddings in which the couple has been arranged and only one of them wanted divorce.

Im sure pretty mcuh everyone would agree it shouldnt exists, but this dosent really promote much discussion.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

anyway, I think marrige today is a complete joke, over 60% of people will get divorced after they marry, and they do this because its so easy, and dosent cost anything. What I hate the most is that nobody really thinks about how it affects their kids, You know how much it can hirt a little kid if he or she cant see their parents together any more?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It really annoys me how people take marrige as a game, and dont think twice about what theyre doing to their kids.

 

But its their culture.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Does that make it right?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The Morals you judge it by are simply your culture. Right or wrong ar not absolute. It is part of your culture that this does not happen, it is part of theirs that it does.

 

 

But its their culture.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Does that make it right?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The Morals you judge it by are simply your culture. Right or wrong ar not absolute. It is part of your culture that this does not happen, it is part of theirs that it does.

Culture has nothing to do with being against arranged marrige. It is based on culture that people use arranged marrige, but being against it is just being a decent person by basic human stanards. To make it clear, its in the human chemistry to love and its part of life, and thats why marrige exists. But treating marrige as a way for the family to get money is wrong by basic human standards.

 

 

 

But its their culture.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Does that make it right?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The Morals you judge it by are simply your culture. Right or wrong ar not absolute. It is part of your culture that this does not happen, it is part of theirs that it does.

Culture has nothing to do with being against arranged marrige. It is based on culture that people use arranged marrige, but being against it is just being a decent person by basic human stanards. To make it clear, its in the human chemistry to love and its part of life, and thats why marrige exists. But treating marrige as a way for the family to get money is wrong by basic human standards.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Wrong. None of those concepts you presented have inherent moral value separate from your society. If someone disgarees with you, all you can state is that it's "wrong" without being able to say more than "because I think it is". What you think is based upon your culture, to a large extent. Why is killing wrong? Shall I just give you a link to the morality debate?

 

 

But its their culture.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Does that make it right?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Right or wrong ar not absolute.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That is a basic belief. One ShadowFax doesn't prescribe to.

 

 

 

 

But its their culture.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Does that make it right?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The Morals you judge it by are simply your culture. Right or wrong ar not absolute. It is part of your culture that this does not happen, it is part of theirs that it does.

Culture has nothing to do with being against arranged marrige. It is based on culture that people use arranged marrige, but being against it is just being a decent person by basic human stanards. To make it clear, its in the human chemistry to love and its part of life, and thats why marrige exists. But treating marrige as a way for the family to get money is wrong by basic human standards.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Wrong. None of those concepts you presented have inherent moral value separate from your society. If someone disgarees with you, all you can state is that it's "wrong" without being able to say more than "because I think it is". What you think is based upon your culture, to a large extent. Why is killing wrong? Shall I just give you a link to the morality debate?

So youre saying that if you were raised in an enviorment where nobody told you that killing is either right or wrong, you wouldnt mind just stabbing you sister for a few dollars? Or the only reason you are attracted to women is because you were told that thats how it should be?

 

 

 

 

 

But its their culture.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Does that make it right?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The Morals you judge it by are simply your culture. Right or wrong ar not absolute. It is part of your culture that this does not happen, it is part of theirs that it does.

Culture has nothing to do with being against arranged marrige. It is based on culture that people use arranged marrige, but being against it is just being a decent person by basic human stanards. To make it clear, its in the human chemistry to love and its part of life, and thats why marrige exists. But treating marrige as a way for the family to get money is wrong by basic human standards.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Wrong. None of those concepts you presented have inherent moral value separate from your society. If someone disgarees with you, all you can state is that it's "wrong" without being able to say more than "because I think it is". What you think is based upon your culture, to a large extent. Why is killing wrong? Shall I just give you a link to the morality debate?

So youre saying that if you were raised in an enviorment where nobody told you that killing is either right or wrong, you wouldnt mind just stabbing you sister for a few dollars? Or the only reason you are attracted to women is because you were told that thats how it should be?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

All of what you said is possible - forced homosexuality in spartan society being an example. And what you are discussing is primal to an extent - something that is physical, or an external influence (I know it feels internal, but I mean external in the compatablist sense.). Where as we have a choice about certain forms of morality - we can choose to ban drugs, or to re-distribute wealth. These are choices we make based on the prevelant moral values of the culture.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And to insane - If he beleives in God, then he can have his "morals". Such a convenient fiction.

And to FuBai - if you don't believe in God, you can do whatever the hell you want and hide behind your relativism. Such a convenient belief.

I think that the love comes later .. sometimes not at all. I think the only reason people go through with it is beacuse of parents.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I've been to loads of weddings in which the couple has been arranged and only one of them wanted divorce.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Brainwashing since birth may have something to do with it, but let's try not to go there.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The Morals you judge it by are simply your culture. Right or wrong ar not absolute. It is part of your culture that this does not happen, it is part of theirs that it does.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

'just because' lol

And to FuBai - if you don't believe in God, you can do whatever the hell you want and hide behind your relativism. Such a convenient belief.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Why would you "hide" behind it? What does it conceal? Surely the world would be a much easier place if right and wrong were absolutes? No it is a difficult thing to accept, which is why even some of the most distinguished atheistic philosophers create some kind of inherent value they can rely upon.

 

And to FuBai - if you don't believe in God, you can do whatever the hell you want and hide behind your relativism. Such a convenient belief.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Why would you "hide" behind it? What does it conceal? Surely the world would be a much easier place if right and wrong were absolutes?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You hide behind relativism to justify any action you make. I killed five people? Who cares! That's right for me!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

My response was mainly retaliation to your calling absolutism and theism a fiction without any shred of proof. Of course, both are basic beliefs, just like your atheism and relativism are basic beliefs, so no evidence can really be brought. That's what makes calling one belief a fiction as an insult so heinous.

There is only one absolute in the world, and i quote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think, therefore I am.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Which means that since we are concious, we exist in some form.

 

 

 

Unfortunately, this doesnt get is very far as we dont have any other absolute truth to build this idea on, and so the debate and search for another absolute truth continues. #-o

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Back to the topic, I think that perhaps marriage takes on a different meaning in countries with cultures that have forced marriage, in the sense that it is simply a pairing of two people that their parents decide, which does not involve love. But when this type of marriage is registered in a culture that believes that marriage has the meaning of making a loving relationship solid and written on paper, that is then barbaric, because it then incinuates what ShadowFaxPZ is saying. Its slamming a son or daughter with a rich man/woman and calling it love. That is a lie. That is what is barbaric. :evil:

There is only one absolute in the world, and i quote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That's a self-refuting statement. Is it absolutely true that there is only one absolute in the world? If so, then that makes two absolutes, and your statement is void.

 

There is only one absolute in the world, and i quote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That's a self-refuting statement. Is it absolutely true that there is only one absolute in the world? If so, then that makes two absolutes, and your statement is void.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Lol

 

 

And to FuBai - if you don't believe in God, you can do whatever the hell you want and hide behind your relativism. Such a convenient belief.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Why would you "hide" behind it? What does it conceal? Surely the world would be a much easier place if right and wrong were absolutes?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You hide behind relativism to justify any action you make. I killed five people? Who cares! That's right for me!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

My response was mainly retaliation to your calling absolutism and theism a fiction without any shred of proof. Of course, both are basic beliefs, just like your atheism and relativism are basic beliefs, so no evidence can really be brought. That's what makes calling one belief a fiction as an insult so heinous.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I said it was a convinent fiction. You have no proof that absolutism and theism exists. They cannot be empircialy measured. Much like God, I choose not to say "They can't be proven, there for I don't beleive in them", but rather "They can't be proven or disproven, yet there is not a shred of logic in them, so I will act as though they were disproved."