Fighter Torso ruined pking?

[War_Implored]

I think it has. It's just one more item that gives good bonuses, that when you die with it, you can get it back, free of cost. How, might you ask?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Let's say I have one, and am fighting in Edgeville. Someone kills me! What do I do? I sprint to the Fally Bank, grab a Glory Amulet, tele back to edgeville, and PICK IT UP FROM THE GROUND. This is horrible! Why should melee get ANOTHER item (Barrow Gloves, Rune Defenders, and now Fighter Torso\ Fighter Helms) that when they die with it, you can't get it? With the price of sharks and arrows being so high, it's not profitable at all to PK. It's even worse for meleers I'm sure.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

My question is, do you think Fighter Torsos are good or bad for the Wild? I say bad of course, anyone else agree with me?

[yomom1919]

Its a loss of about 55k, and for pro pkers getting 30+ kills a day, its a 1m+ loss. It'll definitely have a negative impact on profit from pking. Alot of other gear has somewhat ruined profits, like rune defenders, barrows gloves, etc.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Im preety shure the responses will be unanimous.

[Peronix]

Yeah it pretty much has. But defeners were a lot worse; they took off a whopping 400-500k from profits. The number of 'good' untradable items has now gotten to the point of rediculousness... what's next Jagex an untradable weapon comparable to a whip? :roll: Pretty soon PKing will be as pointless as in WoW. And if that ever happens I guarantee a lot of people will go over to WoW; because the PvP is ALOT better; loss of items is the only reason people PK in RS, and if that every goes away thanks to these new items, so will a large portion of Jagex's clientelle, I promise you that.

[War_Implored]

Ya true, there is no counter point for this-from what I've seen.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Anyone have a counter to Fighter Torso being unfair to Pkers?

[yomom1919]

The reason jagex made the fighter torso (and so many other excellent combat items) untradable is because they rather have players work for their items.

 

 

 

With the barrows gloves, rune defender, fighter torso and more, jagex decided that, instead of buying everything they own, players would now have to spend time obtaining it.

 

 

 

They most likely considered that it would lessen the profits of pking, but they opted that too many players would simply "buy their way through the game". Instead, they would rather have players spend their time obtaining what they could potentially loose. In other words, pking has now become more of a loss (time-wise) of the pked, and less of a gain for the pker.

 

 

 

I believe that jagex's decision was wise concerning untradable items. Being rich is beginning to have less benefits then it did before (you can't buy a fire cape). I assume jagex chose this direction because, eventually, players' ultimate goal won't be making millions through merchanting, it will be obtaining rare, powerful untradable armor (like most mmorpgs). I strongly believe that many more of these items are to come.

[War_Implored]

The reason jagex made the fighter torso (and so many other excellent combat items) untradable is because they rather have players work for their items.

 

 

 

With the barrows gloves, rune defender, fighter torso and more, jagex decided that, instead of buying everything they own, players would now have to spend time obtaining it.

 

 

 

They most likely considered that it would lessen the profits of pking, but they opted that too many players would simply "buy their way through the game". Instead, they would rather have players spend their time obtaining what they could potentially loose. In other words, pking has now become more of a loss (time-wise) of the pked, and less of a gain for the pker.

 

 

 

I believe that jagex's decision was wise concerning untradable items. Being rich is beginning to have less benefits then it did before (you can't buy a fire cape). I assume jagex chose this direction because, eventually, players' ultimate goal won't be making millions through merchanting, it will be obtaining rare, powerful untradable armor (like most mmorpgs). I strongly believe that many more of these items are to come.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This is killing the one unique thing about their player combat system; when you kill someone you keep thier items. The way it's going, people will be Pking in 70 defense armor and such, and thier only loss if they die will be a dagger.

[yomom1919]

This is killing the one unique thing about their player combat system; when you kill someone you keep thier items. The way it's going, people will be Pking in 70 defense armor and such, and thier only loss if they die will be a dagger.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I agree with that part, but I believe the direction of whats happening and whats going to come far outweighs that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But I dont support loss of profits from pking. Remember, it doesnt make pking any less risky for the person who is being pked. Most people can afford many sets of rune, etc. Getting a fighter torso/rune defender/barrows gloves, etc. is, in my opinion, much more annoying than spending a measly 55k on a new rune item.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

However, I think jagex will probably come up with a solution to fix it. One possible solution I was thinking of that I think jagex should consider is some sort of "ticket" that drops instead of the actual item. You could take this ticket to a certain person, and they would exchange it for money (preferably 55k or so).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That would help bring back pking profits and keep the risk intact.

[Peronix]

Just dont pk at edge and you dont have to worry, or preferably dont fight people with a fire cape, barrows gloves, rune defender and fighter torso.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edgeville is the only place that pures can PK. They're designed to 'own' players of their combat level; and if they move much deeper into the wilderness they'll have a tough fight on their hands.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And even if you are like 110+ combat with well rounded stats, just about everyone tag-teams at the mage bank; pretty much impossible to solo without dying all the time.

[Deiophobus]

Well, you can also do that with the fire cape, except that takes more skill to get. How could that ruin pking? I mean, certainly it gives another advantage to warriors, but its illogical to say that ruined the whole pking system.

 

 

 

You have to work for it, it isn't an item that can just be bought over and over again.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The only dis advantage, or advantage to the wearer is that its a main item that will not be included in the killers loot, subtracting 50-60k from the value of the pk (rune plate).

[Soma2035]

Ya true, there is no counter point for this-from what I've seen.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Anyone have a counter to Fighter Torso being unfair to Pkers?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Simple. If you die with fighter torso, it disappears. If someone killed you, that someone can collect a certain amount of money. Maybe release a PKers guild or something.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And this could also apply to rune defender, maybe you get 20k for killing someone with a defender.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Same could also be for skill capes. Give the killer 75k or so.

[War_Implored]

 

Ya true, there is no counter point for this-from what I've seen.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Anyone have a counter to Fighter Torso being unfair to Pkers?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Simple. If you die with fighter torso, it disappears. If someone killed you, that someone can collect a certain amount of money. Maybe release a PKers guild or something.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And this could also apply to rune defender, maybe you get 20k for killing someone with a defender.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Same could also be for skill capes. Give the killer 75k or so.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well at the moment, Pking is not profitable at all :| (at my level) unless I get whips.

[rft]

tbh, it took me a while to get a fighter torso in BA. It has paltry defense bonuses, and as such there is no way that I would take one into the wild with me. The strength bonus isnt that great.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'd say that pures have ruined pking a lot more than any one item simply because they use the combat triangle to their advantage. Pking hasnt been profitable for ages though as most people just 3-item anyway and top up their stats with non-tradeable items (like legends cape, defender, torso, firecape, boots of lightness, prayer book etc). Regardless of these new items coming out people would just do without as opposed to taking an item that they could lose into the wild.

[Nadril]

Yeah it pretty much has. But defeners were a lot worse; they took off a whopping 400-500k from profits. The number of 'good' untradable items has now gotten to the point of rediculousness... what's next Jagex an untradable weapon comparable to a whip? :roll: Pretty soon PKing will be as pointless as in WoW. And if that ever happens I guarantee a lot of people will go over to WoW; because the PvP is ALOT better; loss of items is the only reason people PK in RS, and if that every goes away thanks to these new items, so will a large portion of Jagex's clientelle, I promise you that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Very true. The only thing runescapes PvP system has going for it is a full loot system, which to be honest I've been amazed has stuck around in a game like runescape for so long.

[muggiwhplar]

Someone suggested this in a previous topic about the fighter torso and its impact on PK'ing - it's the best suggestion I've heard so far on how to rectify the situation.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

All of the items (rune defender, barrows gloves, fire cape, fighter torso, fighter helm, etc) should be tradable. However, they would be unwearable unless you meet the requirements. You could PK a fire cape but wouldn't be able to wear it until you have completed the Fight Caves. You couldn't wear barrows gloves until they were available in the RFD shop. You couldn't wear a rune defender w/o permission from the cyclops lady. When you get the amount of points needed for the Torso/Helm in BA, instead of buying the item itself, you could buy "permission" to wear the item - then buy the item from a shop or something. I dunno how you could arrange it so all the items are legitimately tradable in a way that everyone can agree, but anything is better than making them all untradable.

[Evil_Sabre]

Someone suggested this in a previous topic about the fighter torso and its impact on PK'ing - it's the best suggestion I've heard so far on how to rectify the situation.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

All of the items (rune defender, barrows gloves, fire cape, fighter torso, fighter helm, etc) should be tradable. However, they would be unwearable unless you meet the requirements. You could PK a fire cape but wouldn't be able to wear it until you have completed the Fight Caves. You couldn't wear barrows gloves until they were available in the RFD shop. You couldn't wear a rune defender w/o permission from the cyclops lady. When you get the amount of points needed for the Torso/Helm in BA, instead of buying the item itself, you could buy "permission" to wear the item - then buy the item from a shop or something. I dunno how you could arrange it so all the items are legitimately tradable in a way that everyone can agree, but anything is better than making them all untradable.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

yeah good idea, i think that would really help alot of things, in the first few weeks of that there will probly be a ton of scams, but afte rthat i think it would be fine

[mikephoto]

is this the reward for the mini game? i have never even seen one befor or pk but i guess jagex will son bring stuff out for other types of players but anyway if you dont like it dont go in wild easy really

[goldphishies]

It has ruined pking somewhat, not if you are the one being pked though. But I think one of the main reasons Jagex does this is because people take full barrows/whip into wildy and get pked, then complain about it. I mean, it would take a load off some high level players/mods who have people begging them to give them money so they can buy back stuff they lost in wildy. This way, they just go back and pick it up, and no one gets mad except the pker.

[brave]

You need to lokk at this from two points of view.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Firstly, that of Jagex. As someone said earlier the reason for more and more untradeable items is to reduce the advantages of extremely rich people being able to buy the best items. Thus ensuring that anyone with these items has truly worked for it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Secondly, that of PKers. Untradeable items means that the rewards from this aspect of the game are drastically reduced.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I am all for Jagex reducing the advantages of enormous wealth, which IMO is ruining the game. I would like to see this idea extended into much more powerful armour and weapons. Perhaps a weapon more powerful than the whip, but requiring say a high level of crafting (eg 80) to make and a high strength and attack level (eg 85/85) to weild.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On the other hand I this needs to be balnced to keep PKing a viable proposition, although it does not personally concern me as I never PK. Probably the best way is to make these "untradeable" items "semi-untradeable". By that I mean making the item so that you can sell it to a shop of some kind (perhaps a scrapyard) but not trade it to other players.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thinking - this sounds like a good idea - perhaps I will put the suggestion onto the ROF.

[MtNeraka]

Well... >_>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

nothing really ruins the wildnerness (until someone comes out with macro pkers that automatically eat food and are lvl 126 and own everyone and have ancient magicks...) until then wildy will never be ruined. It will just... get worse... and worse... and worse.. lol.

[Goltenzero]

I find that edge wild is infested with pures, and that people who come out with a fighter torso, a defender and other such things that are easily re-obtainable by themselves simply do this to waste a pure's time and food, or get revenge on a rc pker.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I personaly think that this is only tough on pures and other people who pk near edgeville, and that the rest of the wild is probably not affected.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also, my theory is that jagex did want to lighten the load of cries and whines of people who got pked with their precious armour, so that customer support could focus on subjects with a bit more priority.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Anyways, to top it off i feel a bit of sympathy for the pkers who pk near edge, as i myself would be ticked off at wasting 30k worth of sharks and pots only to see the person you just killed waltzing up to his corpse and picking up his armour.

[jakerules13]

The wild sucks in everybody's opinions.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Nothing is going to "ruin" it for them when it was already ruined since the launch of rs2

[hatebringer]

ok, simple, iwhen i k0 someone that had untradeables, i wait there, then entangle them/blitz them and then loaugh as the items dissapear.

 

 

 

:cry: <<<:twisted:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

yes, i made quite a few people lose their torsos, and they hate me for it

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

but i love me for it :)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Other than that, they really are a pointless pk. They hit higher, and less profit from the kills. I would rather kill someone in full rune+whip than figther torso+whip anyday

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

fighter torso= ruin pk

 

 

 

untradeables= ruin pk

[introuble3]

couldn't they make these thingslike the anchor which drops like 550k instead of itself?

[highlanders]

If you die with your figher torso, you can get it back/he cannot.

 

 

 

If your enemy dies with his fighter torso, he can get it back/you cannot.

 

 

 

You fall even :

[ugafan_2009]

Someone suggested this in a previous topic about the fighter torso and its impact on PK'ing - it's the best suggestion I've heard so far on how to rectify the situation.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

All of the items (rune defender, barrows gloves, fire cape, fighter torso, fighter helm, etc) should be tradable. However, they would be unwearable unless you meet the requirements. You could PK a fire cape but wouldn't be able to wear it until you have completed the Fight Caves. You couldn't wear barrows gloves until they were available in the RFD shop. You couldn't wear a rune defender w/o permission from the cyclops lady. When you get the amount of points needed for the Torso/Helm in BA, instead of buying the item itself, you could buy "permission" to wear the item - then buy the item from a shop or something. I dunno how you could arrange it so all the items are legitimately tradable in a way that everyone can agree, but anything is better than making them all untradable.

That sounds like an awful idea, sorry.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You beat fight caves once, and you can just buy all your fire capes you ever want?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On the rare occasion you lose these items, it's supposed to be a pain to get them all back. This would just bring all these items we all hate into higher level pk'ing, therefore you could still lose your little fighter torso, but just buy it back for 60k from a little store.