Is luring an acceptable practice?

[Zephyr_Fal]

 

 

 

 

Moral of this story? Don't trust strangers? Possibly. Sure, I was stupid to go along with the whole thing, but it's also in no way an acceptable practice.

 

 

 

=ZF

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

can i ask with regards to this whole post and mine if it affected you outside of the game? did you find you had less trust in people you meet in clubs or wherever? if so it would definately make both of our posts more relevant. It shows that it does hurt people in ways other the the loss of an item. Lets face it if i had a whip it would most certainly be a "treasured possession" just because its virtual doesnt make it any different. I would be upset if i lost my Dragon Battle Axe unfairly. Its like the best thing i own at the moment as usually when i have money it burns a hole in my pocket so i dont get much good. To be honest however would have the same effect if you lost it while Pking in the normal way? I dont think i would be so upset really.

 

 

 

I didn't mean with regards to outside the game. I mean, I wouldn't get suicidally depressed because I lost my whip. But some people do. Ever hear the story of the kid who committed suicide because his friend hacked his account and took all his stuff as a "joke?"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There are different kinds of luring. I expected to have a fun PKing trip, I wasn't making a trade in the wildy. Sure, it wasn't a good idea to go PKing with a guy stronger than me who I met that day. (:P) But it doesn't make me a moron.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you get PKed, whose fault is it? You, or the PKer?

 

 

 

If you get scammed because you weren't looking at the second trade screen closely enough, whose fault was it? I've had a bunch of friends get caught by infamous scams such as the leaf-bladed spear/Guthans spear scam (which, thanks to Jagex, is no longer possible! :D). Was it their fault, or the scammer's fault?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The point could be argued endlessly on whose fault it was. However, the scammer is still guilty of committing the crime.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

=ZF

[Kill_Thomas9]

There are multiple warnings about this...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1. The item being sold/bought is usualy at a rediculously high/low price. Otherwise know as a deal that is "too good to be true"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

2. The trade is taking place somewhere near the wilderness, like edgeville.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

3. The person is standing in, or a space or two away from the wilderness.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

4. They have some stupid reason why they can't go to a bank.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

5. You get a message saying that players can kill you in the wilderness.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If the word "dangerous", "scam", or "lure" havn't popped into your head by that point, you seriously should rethink your view on rs (or even life)

[anthony7489]

zephyr you are right some people do get affected by this. It stops a lot of people trusting their friends. By the way i didnt mean suicidally depressed i meant did it make you anxious of why friends ask you to go to a club?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

hey if anyone wants to really talk about this they can msn/yahoo/pm at any time if im available

[iwatake]

In short, I say,

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Of course not.

[anthony7489]

In short, I say,

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Of course not.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Lol you said the same in #tip.it

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But yeah short, sweet and so true

[ZidaneCT]

The lurers are jerkfaces. The victims are mailbox heads. I think the situation would be best solved by killing them all in the wilderness.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~ZidaneCT

[kingmerik888]

luring is terrible, should be reportable (if u can prove it)

 

 

 

scum, seriously worse then rcpkers i liost 800k. alot at that time (and now -.- ) oh well. i hve learnt

[fly_to_fall]

HEY GUYS LOOK AT THIS!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

luring is fun, and THIS PIC proves its not against the rules!! (as it was posed by a J-Mod.) For anyone who thought that it is rule breaking, one word to you.. OWNED! hehe

 

 

 

I support luring 100% (insert pretty button here) >.<

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Have a nice day!

[anthony7489]

HEY GUYS LOOK AT THIS!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

luring is fun, and THIS PIC proves its not against the rules!! (as it was posed by a J-Mod.) For anyone who thought that it is, one word to you.. OWNED! hehe

 

 

 

I support luring 100% (insert pretty button here) >.<

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Have a nice day!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

RIIIIGHT did you read the post this isnt about legal its about if its acceptable. This states that JaGEx is against it but that they wont ban for it. It proves our point!!....OWNED!

[fly_to_fall]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

RIIIIGHT did you read the post this isnt about legal its about if its acceptable. This states that JaGEx is against it but that they wont ban for it. It proves our point!!....OWNED!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

if YOU read some of the posts before mine, there where some people that said it was against the rules.. the pic was for them. Then on topic i said that i support it luring

 

 

 

Maybe YOU should learn to read all the posts (or at least MOST of them) before posting!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Have a nice day.

[tewas]

as of today, it is not acceptable but ...

 

 

 

This game is mmoRPG, what that means is it should be ability to play evil in game, and that does not mean thieving from farmers or killing guards. I know it does sound bad, but face it, life isn't easy, and there is plenty of scumbags and other losers is life. Kids in these days tend not to listen what smarter and more educated people say to them. It would be nice in general to use alternative methods of teaching what is good or bad.

 

 

 

Luring is one of those evil things that should be allowed in full RPG style game, but for it to be fair we need some sort of penalty system, so that people who decide to go evil road, could be punished inside game.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Of course things like autoing, item trading for real money should be punishable outside game as it is now. Things like luring could be taken care inside game. However as of today we have no method to implement that so naturaly this kind of activity should be illegal in game.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

My .02

[archdukeofyork]

Unacceptable,

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't understand how people can live day to day after they lure and kill someone for items. Does anyone else feel like this is a breach of morals? What happened to the decent Runescape were players actually put in some work to get the items they wanted instead of luring people with petty practices. Was there such a thing as luring two years ago? I sure didn't hear anything about it. :shame:

[beerman135]

Well, the answer is...it is item scamming...at least i think so. Yet...if you are stupid enough to go to the wild with some large amount of good stuff to trade a lurer....ur stupid! It is item scamming and stay away from all them lurers you hear! :shame:

[Owned_Nex]

I,ll accept it. I been lured for 1m. I never complained one bit and considered myslef "pked" anyone stupid enought to ignor warnings and trade near wildy should die. Yes, i lured before, and i see nothing worng with it, Jagax said its right, and like i said before. You trade near wildy, its ur own foult. Nnone forced you to go.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Look at all these ways to lure, see who goes in. I lured efore, and know these things

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Infamous"jojo" lure. They take you to varrock pub(near wildy) somehow. Then drops somehting in wildy, mostly 10k or a drag dagger. YOU RUN IN and get pked.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edgy Hills. They say"wool 100ea" or soemthing tot hat extent. They go up to the target and offer it as a job, gtives them a pair of shears, and lead them into wildy, where they are pked.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

These are only some of the lures, but as you can see, the LURED goes into the wildy by himself. Is that breaking any rules? NO!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Btw I am lvl 98. You can call me a noob for calling, but dont say I know nothing about this topic, as I have been lured, and have lured other people in.

[BookWorm]

I would like to point out to those using luring's "legality" as a defence, that probably the only reason it is legal is the problems of proving you were lured.

[Soulthresher]

Well, considering that luring is perfectly LEGAL according to Jagex rules, it is not considered item scamming. However, it is not an ethical form of pking. Many fansites/clans ban luring and lureres because its unhonorable and unethical. But, if you do get lured, your a moron. There are signs to tell you when you are near the wilderness and there is a popup to tell you this. Jagex is not responsible for your losses in the wilderness and cannot be bothered to read the reports of item scamming from supposed lures.

[Halo_2_4_U]

=D>

 

 

 

Nice thread, very cool to find out that other people want to do things to people who lure that is too violent to describe on a forum. :twisted:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Luring is pathetic. It is also completely unacceptable. As a nature RCer, I see alot of people standing outside of Edgeville, who are obviously attepting to lure. I even see some people tell me to come in and trade them! Honestly!

 

 

 

:wall:

 

 

 

Anyways, people need to find a better way to Pk. Anybody remember back in the early days of RS, when PKing was sorta like a sport? With "unwritten rules" of sorts? You know, not run, teleport, etc.?

 

 

 

Honestly, like I said, luring is pathetic. To any lurers out there, get a life. :boohoo:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edit: Te he, look at my post count/join date!

[swampjedi]

The legality is at best debatable, in game. Here at tip.it, luring is considered a scam.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Remember that, and don't post things saying "I lured, haha". I don't want to have to get anyone else in trouble over this.

[Cha0sx]

*edit too harsh against people who support luring :P

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sorry, swamp i feel strongly on my view since I had a friend who quit because of this =(

[Halo_2_4_U]

What? Dark, fiery place? What you talking about?

[swampjedi]

He's saying to have a little empathy. Lots (most?) of the bad stuff that happens to us is our own fault.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Chaos, I'd appreciate if you'd edit that to be a little less harsh.

[Funkness]

*** IF YOU'RE TOO LAZY TO READ THIS ENTIRE POST, JUST READ THE LAST PARAGRAPH***

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

- - - - -I, for one, am against luring. I understand that they give many warnings of trading in the wilderness, etc...but something that people fail to realise is that not all forms of luring are that simple. I recently lost my santa hat -all the money to my name - to a completely different kind of lure.

 

 

 

- - - - -I was slaying bloodvelds last week when i got PM'd by a random person, who told me that I was an old friend of their's and that they were planning on quitting. So she invited me to - NO, not edgeville, not the bar near the wild's edge - but to the duel arena. As soon as i got there, she handed me 10M cash, without hesitation. Obviously, I thought that only a true friend would have given 10M to me if they were honestly quitting. Then she started ranged-only staking a bunch of people for fun, letting them win several mils at a time. I offered to stake 10m for another 10m, and she accepted, I won hands down.

 

 

 

- - - - -I hardly took any damage at all, so i offered to stake my 20m and santa hat for a red mask. She asked if that's all i wanted to stake, and I told her it was all I had. As soon as the duel started, she took out obby rings and owned me in 5 hits. Seeing as how she was "quitting", I didn't think much of it, so I asked to have it back. However, she declined. I nearly cried when she told me I'd been scammed, and showed me 7 blue party hats that she'd obtained through the same process.

 

 

 

- - - - -I realised that there was nothing completely against the rules against doing something like this...but if you look under the rule book, under item scamming - it is defined as "deceiving another player for your own personal gain." I don't know about anyone else here, but it seems to me that luring falls under that exact definition. For that reason, I believe luring, of all forms, should be considered item scamming, and therefore against the rules.

[Mayjest]

*** IF YOU'RE TOO LAZY TO READ THIS ENTIRE POST, JUST READ THE LAST PARAGRAPH***

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

- - - - -I, for one, am against luring. I understand that they give many warnings of trading in the wilderness, etc...but something that people fail to realise is that not all forms of luring are that simple. I recently lost my santa hat -all the money to my name - to a completely different kind of lure.

 

 

 

- - - - -I was slaying bloodvelds last week when i got PM'd by a random person, who told me that I was an old friend of their's and that they were planning on quitting. So she invited me to - NO, not edgeville, not the bar near the wild's edge - but to the duel arena. As soon as i got there, she handed me 10M cash, without hesitation. Obviously, I thought that only a true friend would have given 10M to me if they were honestly quitting. Then she started ranged-only staking a bunch of people for fun, letting them win several mils at a time. I offered to stake 10m for another 10m, and she accepted, I won hands down.

 

 

 

- - - - -I hardly took any damage at all, so i offered to stake my 20m and santa hat for a red mask. She asked if that's all i wanted to stake, and I told her it was all I had. As soon as the duel started, she took out obby rings and owned me in 5 hits. Seeing as how she was "quitting", I didn't think much of it, so I asked to have it back. However, she declined. I nearly cried when she told me I'd been scammed, and showed me 7 blue party hats that she'd obtained through the same process.

 

 

 

- - - - -I realised that there was nothing completely against the rules against doing something like this...but if you look under the rule book, under item scamming - it is defined as "deceiving another player for your own personal gain." I don't know about anyone else here, but it seems to me that luring falls under that exact definition. For that reason, I believe luring, of all forms, should be considered item scamming, and therefore against the rules.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That strikes me as possibly the most long winded and riskiest scam imaginable. If someone did that to me, I'd be perfectly happy taking the 10mil and watching a few duels - after all, I know they're not an 'old friend' and I don't do duelling - or PvP in general. I could always use the line that surely an 'old friend' would know that right?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But yes, that would be considered to be 'not in the spirit of the game' and thus technically against the rules. But there is a difference between what is against the rules and what is provable. Innocent until proven guilty is a central theme of our society (and Jagex's policy) and with something like the above scam and luring it's just not possible to provide proof. Thus, people get away with it. The trick, therefore, in combating luring is to find a way to catch them in the act - somebody mentioned having an obvious change in the wilderness and regular world - change the colour of the ground? Have a permanent warning pop up on the square directly before the wilderness starts? I'm not sure what methods jagex could implement, and surely - now that we seem to have decided that luring is unacceptable, if possibly legal - we should now try to find ways of prevention and cure?

[Halo_2_4_U]

*** IF YOU'RE TOO LAZY TO READ THIS ENTIRE POST, JUST READ THE LAST PARAGRAPH***

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

- - - - -I, for one, am against luring. I understand that they give many warnings of trading in the wilderness, etc...but something that people fail to realise is that not all forms of luring are that simple. I recently lost my santa hat -all the money to my name - to a completely different kind of lure.

 

 

 

- - - - -I was slaying bloodvelds last week when i got PM'd by a random person, who told me that I was an old friend of their's and that they were planning on quitting. So she invited me to - NO, not edgeville, not the bar near the wild's edge - but to the duel arena. As soon as i got there, she handed me 10M cash, without hesitation. Obviously, I thought that only a true friend would have given 10M to me if they were honestly quitting. Then she started ranged-only staking a bunch of people for fun, letting them win several mils at a time. I offered to stake 10m for another 10m, and she accepted, I won hands down.

 

 

 

- - - - -I hardly took any damage at all, so i offered to stake my 20m and santa hat for a red mask. She asked if that's all i wanted to stake, and I told her it was all I had. As soon as the duel started, she took out obby rings and owned me in 5 hits. Seeing as how she was "quitting", I didn't think much of it, so I asked to have it back. However, she declined. I nearly cried when she told me I'd been scammed, and showed me 7 blue party hats that she'd obtained through the same process.

 

 

 

- - - - -I realised that there was nothing completely against the rules against doing something like this...but if you look under the rule book, under item scamming - it is defined as "deceiving another player for your own personal gain." I don't know about anyone else here, but it seems to me that luring falls under that exact definition. For that reason, I believe luring, of all forms, should be considered item scamming, and therefore against the rules.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

WOW. I have had something similar happen to me, but... didn't lose much.

[Unit047]

It's completely unacceptable. I once fell for this scam. I never fell for any scams, never. In fact, this was the very first time I had fallen for one. Luring is tricking, period. There is no excuse for luring. It doesn't matter if it warns you, they make it look innocent, so you go in. They TRY to get you to go in, and that's all that matters. Luring is a very tricky scam to notice at first, and there's no reason it should be ignored.