Is luring an acceptable practice?

[Alg]

many people are planning to protesting to make luring reportable. the only reason it's legal is that the wilderness is meant to be a place of danger and evil.

 

 

 

on a slightly off topic note, i recall reading that a type of scamming or luring was mentioned in one of the zamorak letters, and it was given negative feedback there as well...

[Mayjest]

As an addenum to my previous post, I have just recieved a Bob Shirt from a level 1 clue. It's examine is: "Bob says: Never trade in the Wilderness!".

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now, while Bob the Jagex Cat may not be an official spokesperson for Jagex, his advice is always useful, right?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Luring involves trading in the Wilderness. And trading in the wilderness makes Bob cry.

[Puddlewater]

I hate luring to the fullest extent. It is a cheap way of making money just like RC Pking, especially at the higher lvl it is done. It just shows how people are to lazy to work for their money but, then again if you are stupid enough to trade something worth over 10k in the wilderness you deserve to have it taken away

[1canadian1]

Luring is acceptable since it's not against the rules.

[Faelenof]

Luring is acceptable since it's not against the rules.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Canadian, have you even read the topic past the first post? It seems that it is against the rules according to JaGEx mods, but there's still a lot of grey area in it as different sources give different answers.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Personally, I find luring traders into the Wilderness despicable. But, luring players who are already in the Wilderness is alright, because they were already in the Wilderness and they knew what they were getting into. Luring players around the Wildy, for example, from single-combat to multi-combat, is a common PKing tactic, I know this from my short stint as a PKer myself. I find this completely legitimate.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But of course, I don't think we're talking about the latter lurers, who are doing this to people already in the Wilderness. We're talking about those guys who pretty much set up a fake trade near the Wilderness and kill the unsuspecting trader.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Trade lurers are those who deliberately lure those who have no wish to PK or be in the Wildy at all. These people are in the same category as item scammers and password scammers in my eyes, as they are posing as a trader and, well, pretty much stabs them in the back. I personally believe this is against the rules.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Why? The lurers are deliberately lying about the trade. They weren't trying to trade at all - they were trying to get the trader's items, fullstop. Indeed, lurers can justify their actions because of the warning pop-up that appears. Despite the Wilderness warnings that come up, and the growing awareness of lurers in both F2P and P2P (the latter especially), people are still somehow getting themselves lured.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You'd think those people who have millions of GP ingame, easter eggs, santas, masks, party hats, all that jazz, would have more common sense than to happily skip into the Wilderness with items worth millions.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't understand how people can be that ridiculously gullible. Someone who mustered up enough GP to buy a santa hat should know better.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think I'm going around in circles now, so I'd best end it. Item lurers are low. Low, low, so very low. It is completely unacceptable, although I admit that it is also partly the trade-ee's fault for waltzing into the Wilderness with their items.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I find myself wondering where the common sense is disappearing to in RuneScape.

[Bobbington]

For people who say:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Luring is acceptable since it's not against the rules.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I feel you are totaly wrong,there are many things that fall into the "Unwritten code" that do not break rules but still poepl look down on.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

For example: Who would say that begging for "Phr33 st00f" is acceptible as it is not aginst the rules? Not many! Infact the only people that consider it ok, are those who have never been begged from.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There are many things that fall into the "noob" catogory that are not accepted by people.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Even though the offical rules say it's ok, I say it's not! It's deseatfull, unrespectfull, and generally not fair playing. I'n my opinion Luring is just as bad if not worse than Abby pking..... it's picking on those people who are not able to defend them selves.

[Shazarabbit]

Just had to put my 2 cents into this topic. Just to start with, i have NEVER lured and i have NEVER item scammed before and i will not.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But the fact remains if people have been playing long enough to get items of value that may result in attempted luring they should know the boundaries of runescape and the ins and outs. If you get someone offering to buy an item and they say "oh meet me in Oziach's house" and you can't see that it is a scam that is your problem.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I have numerous people attempt to scam me, i don't even get as far a world hop because i can see through the act, other times i simply wear nothing and carry a load full of burnt fish. So when they kill me and the shout "Dumb Noob" i can laugh at them. They were the ones who wasted runes on burnt fish.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As for item scamming. There are two trades screens if you can't read them your problem once again. You may lag, but unless you've clicked accept and lagged the trade aint going through.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As for the quote from Jagex, they advise not to do it. But if people fall for it it isn't their problem. There are ample amounts of warnings and such that anybody playing for a week can know these things.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Long story short, if you get lured/scammed it is your own fault. People are in such a rush to trade items for the money that if and when they do get lured/scammed they blame it on everyone else. Look at your self and see your own mistakes, if something doesn't sound right when someone says they are buying an item from you simply say politely, "This place or No Sale" if they don't answer or refuse, you know its not worth the risk involved.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Limited trading to banks and common 'Safe' areas such as Falador, Varrock, Camelot, Seers, Ardougne, Shilo etc.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The reason there may be so much of a grey are and it isn't bannable is because people would start using "Oh but he killed me in the wilderness when he said we were team" and they would send in false reports etc. The wilderness is an area of danger, you know the risks upon entering. You get a warning sign before you go in, its kinda like a supermarket that offers say... a sale on dvds or something.... they put a disclaimer that says "While stocks last" they are covered because of that little disclaimer. In this case the "You are entering the wilderness" screen is the disclaimer.

[Sk4terpunk90]

Jack goes fishing.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Jack bribes fishy with yummy worm.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Fishy gets reeled in.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Fishy die.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Who's stupidity got them killed? Fishy's.

[lv3god]

I don't like luring but really, if your stupid enough to get lured, I don't have any sympathy for you :boohoo:

[Maddavy2004]

Due to Technicalities it is legal but it is really stupid and pathetic and I think it is really pathetic.

[Ginger_Warrior]

I don't think that it is right to lure, becasue it's trading under false pretenses, and I wouldn't. Ever. But the fact of the matter is, although I don't agree with Nadril when he says you deserve to be scammed, if you are stupid enough to get scammed, then frankly I don't have a lot of sympathy for you. Here's a hint to these people; trade on the RS forums. There's a lot more decent folk who are conscious about fair play and rules there than there are in Edgy.

[Clown]

If a level 70 Pure with 99 mage and a party hat is standing in level two wild, and some hotshot level 72 with a whip and full rune attacks.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Level 70 Lurer: Ice Barrage the hotshot. Equip full ahrims.

 

 

 

Ice Barrage to death.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hotshot: WTF!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Who's to blame? The SMART guy, or the dumb fool who attacked to get a partyhat? Huh?

[Mayjest]

That's a different kind of luring altogether. The dead player was lured into the wilderness on the hope of getting a party hat for free. The luring we are talking about involves tricking a person into the wilderness in order to kill them easily.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edit @ Swampjedi: Yeah, that too! :P :oops:

[swampjedi]

Add something about trading to that statement, Mayjest. ;)

[Makoto_the_Phoenix]

While I do not and will never lure for any reason whatsoever, there are two sides to this tale.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Reasons why it's acceptable:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1. The player is adequately warned before entering the Wilderness. Jagex has also commented on this before.

 

 

 

2. If the player knows better, the item in question is not normally at the price that they are receiving.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Reasons why it's unethical:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1. It could be considered a form of item or trade scamming. You are indeed providing false information for an item, and attempt to gain their interest in a Wilderness area where they are prone to lose their things.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

2. Players very seldom pay attention to warning signs posted in the Wilderness. While I believe that's their own doggone fault, many people will want Jagex to hold their hand on this matter.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

3. Players are motivated to trade by greed. If you think about it, they're getting something discounted or something cheap that they wholeheartedly intend to resell for mass profit -- which ultimately leads to their own downfall.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That's what I have to say on the matter.

[Harrington]

What about luring at the Dagannoth Kings?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I estimate that about 1 in 5 of my trips results in someone deliberatly trying to lure the Rex onto my party in an attempt to kill us and get our weapons.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This is NOT clearly signposted, so would Jagex consider that against the rules? It's still luring right?

[Soulfire21]

It depends:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you use, say, the magic door on Entrana that teleports you into 34 wilderness to lure someone, yeah, that's wrong.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But if you are taking someone out to the wilderness directly, then that is their issue, not yours, and if they are stupid enough to follow you - kudos to you! They deserve to be taught a harsh lesson on what not to do.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

BEWARE of Edgeville trading. If you MUST trade in Edgeville, DO NOT leave the bank!

[gio]

The players falling for it are the new or young players. They are less or unexperienced and do not know where exactly the line is where wilderness begins. You can argue that there are signs and a pop up screen. However the pop up screen pops up befor wildy and you can walk past it for quite a while befor actualy going into wildernes (edgeville bank to the bridge by example) However once you passed this sign, the sign wont pop up anymore when you actualy go into wildy.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

WHAT TO DO: make it so that one can sees with one look on the screen where wildy starts and what square is wildy and what one isnt. For all I care they draw a big line on the ground.

 

 

 

Then they need to make the warning message pop up the moment you actualy are about to cross the line of wilderness and that pop up should stop all actions. including trades, following, running, walking, every movement should be stopped by this.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If they fix all that, then I would have less problems with it, because you actualy tried to warn people that that is a dangerous area.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It does not of course say anything about the ethic of trying to lure people. What do you do when you lure? You make a plan how you can deceive some one and persuade some one to go to an area where he is vulnarable. To gain his trust you lie and deceive, you hide the trap, you fool the player only to gain as much of his items as possible.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Jagex says it is not in the spirit of the game. It sounds like "you should be nice to eachother. And if you are not nice to eachother ... then.... I will stand here and watch you not being nice!!"

 

 

 

It would bug me less if the lurers would actualy target more experienced players, but they target new unexperienced and youg players. It comes very close to bullying, picking on the little one. Why don't they try it with some one of their own "size"? I would ave thought it would be jagex role to protect the new player from this, but instead they clearly send the message that they do not care.

[Neglexis]

Don't know if this has been posted before, but as far as JaGEx concerns, it's NOT against the rules.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The following is a quote from the RuneScape Official Forums (Quick find code: 47-48-904-39656455)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Luring in to the Wilderness

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

We'd like to explain that Luring in to the Wilderness is not against the rules of the game. This is because we feel that the dangers of the Wilderness are well signposted. The warning screen before entering the Wilderness clearly explains that any player that enters the Wilderness is in danger of being killed and losing items.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you are trading near or in the Wilderness then it is important that you consider the documented dangers. You are at risk of being lured and player killed, which could lead to you losing any items that you are carrying.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you are trading then we recommend that you avoid areas like the Wilderness, Edgeville and north Varrock. If you are uncomfortable with the arrangements of a trade then try and change them or cancel the offer. If you choose to trade in one of these areas then you do so at your own risk. It should be noted that there is never a reason for a trade to take place specifically in the Wilderness, and it is advised to refuse any such offers if they are not willing to trade outside of it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Despite the fact that Luring is not against the rules, it is not in the spirit of the game. We ask any player interested in Luring to take this in to consideration.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So, it's not against the rules, but by doing it, you prove how bad your intentions are on RuneScape... :shame:

[Yakob]

i personally think that anyone who wishes to lure to get something they want is a noob. luring Should be classed as item scamming. it is stupid!

[Celestrana]

In EVE Online it means that you can set a bounty on a players head.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You know, this is a wonderful idea but somehow I think this "game mechanic" would become too easily abused by the rule-breaking players.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But if rule-abiding players were to report the scams/lures/etc of a particular rule-breaking players (with Jagex's report-it-only-if-you-see-it policy) then the rule-breaking player will eventually get a bounty placed on them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Similar to the white-skull but the bounty marking could be a red-skull, thus making this player a legitamite target even in non-Wilderness areas.

[swordwindtrtrtrt]

Somebody tried to lure me on w2 yesterday, trying to take me to jolly boar inn. i was not initially suspicious as they were wearing a robin set and a lower cb level than me, but as soon as i heard "jolly boar" (yes i know its not in the wildy, but very, very near it) i just siad "scammer" and hit the ignore button. Lurers are scammers; and therefore one of the normal problems of MMORPGs, just trust no one. Luring is also probably the easiest scam to avoid by far.

[Randox]

I don't belive that luring should be encoraged, but on the other hand I also believe that people should use there common sense to protect there things ingame. There is a warning before you enter the wilderness (and i belive it stops your movement when it comes up) that tells you about the danger. Also for a new player theres that skull and crossbone siting in your window.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If stupidity were a crime than falling for lures would be against the rules, unless maby they were some extrodanary online con artist, which i doubt.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

To the lurers, you really shouldnt be taking advantage of another persons ignorance and/or stupidity, and to the people who are lured, shame on you for being a moron. And finally, to the people who kill lurers, good job and keep up the good work :thumbsup:

[WookieeMania12]

I am in the middle of this. Frankly it is both the lurers, players, and Jagex's fault in many ways:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1. The lurer is being dishonest and lying for personal gain.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

2. The player enters wildy and thinks "this guy is good"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

3. Jagex doing nothing at all except hiding behind a desk.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If I do any trading near Edgy it would be in the bank and nowhere else. Even if it took ages to buy/sell something, I will never trade near wildy because that'd be lure fodder. But, people have been stupid lately and so it would help to ban luring as item scamming. After all, it falls in all categories of what a scam is.

[snake6man]

i think if luering is bad, then so is pking... lol. ur takign someone elses stuff in both