The bible

[Mike_Ike111]

I've read quite a few posts about common since, and how someone with common since would figure Christianity to be wrong.

 

 

 

My argument is, if you have the common since to disprove something that controls the possibility of your after-life, then where is the common since in that? Wouldn't it be better off believing in something, rather than wandering in the dark? I could only imagine common since would kick in, and you would realize how stupid you are for risking an eternity in hell, rather than going with the flow and believing in god.

 

 

 

 

 

Also. Science is not always right. Have you seen the many theories that have been changed and adapted by many scientists whom seem to always second guess themselves. How do you know the theory you follow by now is right? How do you know someone will not come and prove the theory you live by to be wrong? Humans have been proven to not be perfect, so why are you believing in the imperfect?

[demonfirzen]

I've read quite a few posts about common since, and how someone with common since would figure Christianity to be wrong.

 

 

 

My argument is, if you have the common since to disprove something that controls the possibility of your after-life, then where is the common since in that? Wouldn't it be better off believing in something, rather than wandering in the dark? I could only imagine common since would kick in, and you would realize how stupid you are for risking an eternity in hell, rather than going with the flow and believing in god.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also. Science is not always right. Have you seen the many theories that have been changed and adapted by many scientists whom seem to always second guess themselves. How do you know the theory you follow by now is right? How do you know someone will not come and prove the theory you live by to be wrong? Humans have been proven to not be perfect, so why are you believing in the imperfect?(Didn't humans write your bible? : )

 

Sure, but its certainly got more going for it then any current religion.

[llamster]

 

The bible for the most part is true. You shouldn't take the Old Testament literally, as that's where, for the most part, violence stems out. Take a look at all those fights they had in the old testament. Now-a-days it should be taken figuratively (sp?). Try to look through it for the deeper meaning, and the morals that they show. I can't explain all the stories but I'll go on things like David and Goliath. The message behind that (I think) is bravery and self-sacrifice for the love of someone or something. It also shows how anyone of any size can beat bigger things.

 

 

 

 

The majority of 'all those fights' in the Old Testament happen to be documented history.

 

 

 

And you don't believe that that the fight between David and Goliath actually happened?

[bronzewarrior]

Imagine what darwin felt when he introduced evolution.

[RichieMcD]

I agree with the guy above. Dan, you're just asking for a flame war. I'm gonna quote one of those "you know your a fundamentalist atheist" things where you know you are one when:

 

 

 

"You consider common sense to be a belief held by less than a quarter of the population."

 

 

 

There's nothing about religion that makes it idiotic unless you're an extremist. I don't see how atheism contains any more common sense than a religion, seeing as there's no way to totally disprove god's existence, and it's rather hard to get true atheist to aknowledge god's existence. Believe it or not, it takes more than "common sense" to make people change their lifestyles totally and everything they've believed in.

 

 

 

 

I agree with you there, I'm a atheist but there is nothing to say your beliefs are wrong, and nothing there to say my beliefs are wrong other than your Bible which I don't even believe in. Sciene has proven quite a lot but there is a certain point where they wont be able to prove past and that is where the true idea on whether god is real or not lies in my opinion.

 

 

 

Isn't trying to force your opinion on another true ignorance, as it shows you aren't open to considering plausible alternatives or you are narrow minded.

[jackattack]

Not really. I mean I'm no missionary but you can see their motivation. They are really trying to help people and save their souls. Unlike atheists who are just trying to either piss people off or build up their egos.

[demonfirzen]

Not really. I mean I'm no missionary but you can see their motivation. They are really trying to help people and save their souls. Unlike atheists who are just trying to either piss people off or build up their egos.

 

Now, for a different point of view.

 

They are not doing those good things because they want to, they want to be rewarded in an afterlife. Thats what they base their lives around.

 

 

 

We just try to give you some sense and stop you wasting your time. But if you need religion to get you to do nice things, your a terrible person.

 

 

 

Anywho, the bible states that God punished snakes by making them eat dirt and crawl on their bellies. Snakes don't eat dirt, and how did snakes move before God punished them?

[Cup Lion]

[They are not doing those good things because they want to, they want to be rewarded in an afterlife. Thats what they base their lives around.

 

 

 

We just try to give you some sense and stop you wasting your time. But if you need religion to get you to do nice things, your a terrible person.

 

Doing good deeds is a waste of time? And the Bible strongly urges people to "do good deeds". But because it places special emphasis on it, and we do it due to this emphasis, we are terrible, simply because we follow this book that places emphasis on it?(<-- was extremely redundant for a purpose).

 

 

 

Anywho, the bible states that God punished snakes by making them eat dirt and crawl on their bellies. Snakes don't eat dirt, and how did snakes move before God punished them?

 

Not sure about the dirt part, but I have heard that they had legs, like salamanders and lizards, and then lost those... Completely guessing, there. :

[Royal]

1st off the Bible DOES NOT say the earth is 6,000 years old. When the Bible uses the word "day" it is describing a length of time. Like when an old person says "back in my day" or when someone says "back in the day of George Washington". It's referring to a length of time not a specific amount of time.

 

 

 

Doing Good Deeds: You won't get the afterlife if you only did good things in get into the afterlife. You have to want to do it out of love for your fellow man and love for god. The afterlife is an extra benefit, the point of doing good deeds to to glorify God and you should want to do that.

 

 

 

What is the afterlife, this were a lot of people got it wrong and understandably so. The afterlife is life forever on EARTH not in heaven. Psalms 37:9,11,29 "Evildoers themselves will be cut, those hoping in Jehovah are the ones that will posses the Earth . . . The meek ones themselves will posses the Earth and they will find their exquisite delight in the abundance of peace. The righteous themselves will posses the Earth, and they will reside forever upon it."

 

 

 

Jehovah: This is Gods name. Most Bible translations take the Tetragrammaton (JHVH or YHWH) out. They feel it too holy to use. On the other hand the Bible urges us to use Gods name and to sanctify it. John 17:26 "I have made your name known to them and will make it known....." The 1st century christians used the name regularly.

[Cup Lion]

1st off the Bible DOES NOT say the earth is 6,000 years old. When the Bible uses the word "day" it is describing a length of time. Like when an old person says "back in my day" or when someone says "back in the day of George Washington". It's referring to a length of time not a specific amount of time.

 

I always wondered that. My grandma says that a lot, and I always thought, "You're only a day old?" :P

 

 

 

Whoever thinks the earth was made in 6,000 years needs to get some common sense.

[llamster]

1st off the Bible DOES NOT say the earth is 6,000 years old. When the Bible uses the word "day" it is describing a length of time. Like when an old person says "back in my day" or when someone says "back in the day of George Washington". It's referring to a length of time not a specific amount of time.

 

 

 

 

The 6000 years figure is a miscalculation anyway. Adam wasn't created 6000 years ago; that would contradict historical records.

 

 

 

 

Doing Good Deeds: You won't get the afterlife if you only did good things in get into the afterlife. You have to want to do it out of love for your fellow man and love for god. The afterlife is an extra benefit, the point of doing good deeds to to glorify God and you should want to do that.

 

 

 

 

Exactly.

 

 

 

 

What is the afterlife, this were a lot of people got it wrong and understandably so. The afterlife is life forever on EARTH not in heaven. Psalms 37:9,11,29 "Evildoers themselves will be cut, those hoping in Jehovah are the ones that will posses the Earth . . . The meek ones themselves will posses the Earth and they will find their exquisite delight in the abundance of peace. The righteous themselves will posses the Earth, and they will reside forever upon it."

 

 

 

 

No, the Bible says that saved people who die go to heaven, and unsaved people go to hell (second to last chapter in Revelation, I think, among many other passages). I'm not sure about Psalm 37 but I think you're taking it out of context.

 

 

 

 

Jehovah: This is Gods name. Most Bible translations take the Tetragrammaton (JHVH or YHWH) out. They feel it too holy to use. On the other hand the Bible urges us to use Gods name and to sanctify it. John 17:26 "I have made your name known to them and will make it known....." The 1st century christians used the name regularly.

 

 

 

It's also spelled Yahweh (YHWH). Actually I think most translations spell it as LORD (all caps).

[Cup Lion]

 

What is the afterlife, this were a lot of people got it wrong and understandably so. The afterlife is life forever on EARTH not in heaven. Psalms 37:9,11,29 "Evildoers themselves will be cut, those hoping in Jehovah are the ones that will posses the Earth . . . The meek ones themselves will posses the Earth and they will find their exquisite delight in the abundance of peace. The righteous themselves will posses the Earth, and they will reside forever upon it."

 

 

 

 

No, the Bible says that saved people who die go to heaven, and unsaved people go to hell (second to last chapter in Revelation, I think, among many other passages). I'm not sure about Psalm 37 but I think you're taking it out of context.

 

 

Definitely taken out of context. Earth will not exists for eternity. If it doesn't, that makes eternal life on earth impossible.

[Rebdragon]

I've read quite a few posts about common since, and how someone with common since would figure Christianity to be wrong.

 

 

 

My argument is, if you have the common since to disprove something that controls the possibility of your after-life, then where is the common since in that? Wouldn't it be better off believing in something, rather than wandering in the dark? I could only imagine common since would kick in, and you would realize how stupid you are for risking an eternity in hell, rather than going with the flow and believing in god.

 

Then I may get the chance to go to Hell and make sure Pascal dies a SECOND time.

[AlexDT]

I don't see any point in even attempting to debunk the Bible - it simply cannot be done. A few days ago, I had an argument with a theist over whether God has the power to do anything. Even though the term 'omnipotence' does not technically mean a being has the ability to do anything, there are direct biblical references to God being able to do anything. He dismissed them as 'mistranslations', so I referenced a few other translations. All erroneous. In the end, I'd offered like 15 quotes, and he'd denied them all.

 

 

 

If Christians don't cherry-pick the parts that suit them, they'll just outright deny the bad parts, which is just as pitiful.

[Furah]

 

...Fanbase? The Bible was sort of written for the Christian religion.

 

 

 

 

that isn't true, the Jewish Bible does not have the New Testament because they do not want to believe that Jesus Christ is the Messiah and the Catholic Bible has had parts added to it so the Pope could make money out of Catholics 'paying' for their sins (forgot the term)

 

 

 

I don't see any point in even attempting to debunk the Bible - it simply cannot be done. A few days ago, I had an argument with a theist over whether God has the power to do anything. Even though the term 'omnipotence' does not technically mean a being has the ability to do anything, there are direct biblical references to God being able to do anything. He dismissed them as 'mistranslations', so I referenced a few other translations. All erroneous. In the end, I'd offered like 15 quotes, and he'd denied them all.

 

 

 

If Christians don't cherry-pick the parts that suit them, they'll just outright deny the bad parts, which is just as pitiful.

 

 

 

not always true, and I dislike how people often use the weakest link to act as the average of something especially if the person does not know much about the perticular subject (I myself only know a small fraction of the bible, but as I have a few friends that try to find out as much as they can about the Bible then I can go to them if I do not understand something, or if I am unable to answer someones question)

 

 

 

if there is something about the Bible you would like to know I am always happy to chat, and if I am unable to get you an answer I WILL find someone who will, even if I have to walk interstate to find the answer

[Lateralus]

 

What is the afterlife, this were a lot of people got it wrong and understandably so. The afterlife is life forever on EARTH not in heaven. Psalms 37:9,11,29 "Evildoers themselves will be cut, those hoping in Jehovah are the ones that will posses the Earth . . . The meek ones themselves will posses the Earth and they will find their exquisite delight in the abundance of peace. The righteous themselves will posses the Earth, and they will reside forever upon it."

 

 

 

 

No, the Bible says that saved people who die go to heaven, and unsaved people go to hell (second to last chapter in Revelation, I think, among many other passages). I'm not sure about Psalm 37 but I think you're taking it out of context.

 

 

Definitely taken out of context. Earth will not exists for eternity. If it doesn't, that makes eternal life on earth impossible.

 

 

 

I think the confusion arises because if I remember correctly, there's not much mention of heaven or hell in the old testament (Psalms). Most of what Christians understand about the afterlife comes the new testament.

[RichieMcD]

Not really. I mean I'm no missionary but you can see their motivation. They are really trying to help people and save their souls. Unlike atheists who are just trying to either piss people off or build up their egos.

 

 

 

Nice stereotype, I'm atheist, every Atheist I know including myself never trys to force our opinion upon others. It's just easier to stay out of all the religious crap. Missionaries often piss people off trying "save peoples souls", there's nothing that irritates me more than listening to some preacher babble on about this "all mighty god" or missionaries who do door-to-door calls trying to "save my soul".

[Royal]

 

What is the afterlife, this were a lot of people got it wrong and understandably so. The afterlife is life forever on EARTH not in heaven. Psalms 37:9,11,29 "Evildoers themselves will be cut, those hoping in Jehovah are the ones that will posses the Earth . . . The meek ones themselves will posses the Earth and they will find their exquisite delight in the abundance of peace. The righteous themselves will posses the Earth, and they will reside forever upon it."

 

 

 

 

No, the Bible says that saved people who die go to heaven, and unsaved people go to hell (second to last chapter in Revelation, I think, among many other passages). I'm not sure about Psalm 37 but I think you're taking it out of context.

 

 

Definitely taken out of context. Earth will not exists for eternity. If it doesn't, that makes eternal life on earth impossible.

 

 

 

 

 

The Bible does not say that good people go to Heaven, only 144,00 people go to heaven. Is the number 144,000 merely symbolic? The answer is indicated by the fact that, after mention of the definite number 144,000, Revelation 7:9 refers to " a great crowd, which no man was able to number." If the number 144,000 were not literal it would lack meaning as contrast to the "great crowd". Viewing the number as literal agrees with Jesus' statement at Matthew 22:14 regarding the Kingdom of the Heavens: "There are many invited, but few are chosen"

 

 

 

The Bible also does not say that you go to Hell when you die. The word hell is can be translated to the place of death. The Bible says that dead people feel no pain. Eccl. 9:5,10: "The living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, the are conscious of nothing at all . . . All that your hand finds to do, do with your very power, for there is no work nor devising nor knowledge nor wisdom in Sheol (Hell, Hades), the place to which you are going" If they are conscious of nothing, they obviously feel no pain and that would render hell useless. Also the Bible says that the punishment for sin is death. Rom. 6:23 "The wages sin pays is Death"

[jackattack]

Not really. I mean I'm no missionary but you can see their motivation. They are really trying to help people and save their souls. Unlike atheists who are just trying to either piss people off or build up their egos.

 

 

 

Nice stereotype, I'm atheist, every Atheist I know including myself never trys to force our opinion upon others. It's just easier to stay out of all the religious crap. Missionaries often piss people off trying "save peoples souls", there's nothing that irritates me more than listening to some preacher babble on about this "all mighty god" or missionaries who do door-to-door calls trying to "save my soul".

 

 

 

 

 

Well I don't mean like Jehovahs witness but foreign missionaries. They do a lot of good in poor countries.

[Cup Lion]

Not really. I mean I'm no missionary but you can see their motivation. They are really trying to help people and save their souls. Unlike atheists who are just trying to either piss people off or build up their egos.

 

 

 

Nice stereotype, I'm atheist, every Atheist I know including myself never trys to force our opinion upon others. It's just easier to stay out of all the religious crap. Missionaries often piss people off trying "save peoples souls", there's nothing that irritates me more than listening to some preacher babble on about this "all mighty god" or missionaries who do door-to-door calls trying to "save my soul".

 

 

 

 

 

Well I don't mean like Jehovahs witness but foreign missionaries. They do a lot of good in poor countries.

 

I'll tell you, Jehovahs witnesses kind of annoy me. I think it is a little much going to people's doors and forcing them to listen to you babble on about God. ;)

[RichieMcD]

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Nice stereotype, I'm atheist, every Atheist I know including myself never trys to force our opinion upon others. It's just easier to stay out of all the religious crap. Missionaries often piss people off trying "save peoples souls", there's nothing that irritates me more than listening to some preacher babble on about this "all mighty god" or missionaries who do door-to-door calls trying to "save my soul".

 

 

 

 

 

Well I don't mean like Jehovahs witness but foreign missionaries. They do a lot of good in poor countries.

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I'll tell you, Jehovahs witnesses kind of annoy me. I think it is a little much going to people's doors and forcing them to listen to you babble on about God. ;)

 

 

 

That's why when ever one of them comes to my house I tell them politely I'm not interested and close the door. I'm at home to relax, I don't want to be converted :wall:

[nomadmike]

 

That's why when ever one of them comes to my house I tell them politely I'm not interested and close the door. I'm at home to relax, I don't want to be converted :wall:

 

They tried talking through my closed window when I said no at the door. :x They wouldn't leave until I said I would call the police. Thats aggravating :wall:

[tryto]

To be honest, Jehovah's Witnesses and evangelists are just as representative of the average christian as a Bolshevik is of an atheist.

[llamster]

 

The Bible does not say that good people go to Heaven, only 144,00 people go to heaven. Is the number 144,000 merely symbolic? The answer is indicated by the fact that, after mention of the definite number 144,000, Revelation 7:9 refers to " a great crowd, which no man was able to number." If the number 144,000 were not literal it would lack meaning as contrast to the "great crowd". Viewing the number as literal agrees with Jesus' statement at Matthew 22:14 regarding the Kingdom of the Heavens: "There are many invited, but few are chosen"

 

 

 

Once again, you are taking the Bible WAY OUT OF CONTEXT. Yes, in Revelation 7 144,000 Jews are sent to heaven, but it does not say that they are the only ones that go to heaven. And every single human being is invited to go to heaven (because anybody can get saved). The few that are chosen are the ones that decided to accept the gift of salvation.

 

 

 

 

The Bible also does not say that you go to Hell when you die. The word hell is can be translated to the place of death. The Bible says that dead people feel no pain. Eccl. 9:5,10: "The living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, the are conscious of nothing at all . . . All that your hand finds to do, do with your very power, for there is no work nor devising nor knowledge nor wisdom in Sheol (Hell, Hades), the place to which you are going" If they are conscious of nothing, they obviously feel no pain and that would render hell useless. Also the Bible says that the punishment for sin is death. Rom. 6:23 "The wages sin pays is Death"

 

 

 

In Revelation 20-21 John the Elder clearly states that the unsaved go to hell ("the lake of fire") and that the saved go to heaven. As a Christian you should believe that the Bible doesn't contradict itself, so really you're just misinterpreting the text. In Romans 6:23 Paul is referring to Hell as Death (Revelation 20:14 The lake of fire is the second death). I'm not sure about the Ecclesiastes passage.

[Agunimon979]

I'm loosely christian and I do question my religion but I guess we won't find out until judgement day or until we die.

 

 

 

Yes, I'm christian, but I definitely do not go expressing my religion. There are already enough stereotypes and I do not want to become part of them.