Collecting Raws is ''dumb''?!

[mojo477]

12pure34 I'll answer your bottom questions in order:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1) Personally I like the gathering skills - they help me make a larger profit than I would if I were to buy my skills. Also I am aiming to create a more balanced player so I need to keep my skills roughly in line with each other - gathering the materials to rain secondary skills helps to do this.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

2) I think the conclusion you've made is too closed end - you're automatically assuming that those who use the gathering skills are either poor or low level. What about those who don't like the idea of buying their skills and instead gather the materials themselves? However I do agree that as you become richer the collecting skills become less important if you want to train quickly and with a minimum of fuss.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

3) I'm fairly certain that this is the same as the 1st question.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

4) No, I feel that the gathering skills are a good place to minimize cost and maximise profit. As well as this you meet a lot of people when you're engaging in a gathering skill.

 

 

 

+1 i decided not to defend 12pure12 from his hard headedness plus im sure zezima's rich but he doesnt buy everything he also woodcuts mines and fishes

[Marvel Titan]

Fishing is just easy I don't mind getting raw materials cause you can watch tv or browse forums while you do it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That is what i do so i collect alot of raws and it does actully give more profit than buying raws as buying raws can give a loss now espesh in fletching yews 350 ea strings 200ea???? autoers should lower price not higher it?? :?

[Idarodo]

I'm doing exactly like in your example. I'm chopping yews, fletching them in yew longs, then cutting magics, selling them, and buying flax. Making it into bowstrings, and then mining/buying essence. Yes, I didn't say I don't buy anything, I buy things that just aren't worth the time. Then I'm making them into nats, and alching. I only buy the things that aren't worth gathering myself, one exception are monks, which I cannot get myself, but will get them myself too, when I can.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I see you point; gathering ALL materials by yourself isn't worth it. I don't still think you buy ALL the materials needed either. There is a certain line between what you should get yourself, and what you should buy.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

kthxbai

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

PS, didn't eally think during my first post, ignore it. :lol:

[12pure34]

I'm doing exactly like in your example. I'm chopping yews, fletching them in yew longs, then cutting magics, selling them, and buying flax. Making it into bowstrings, and then mining/buying essence. Yes, I didn't say I don't buy anything, I buy things that just aren't worth the time. Then I'm making them into nats, and alching. I only buy the things that aren't worth gathering myself, one exception are monks, which I cannot get myself, but will get them myself too, when I can.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I see you point; gathering ALL materials by yourself isn't worth it. I don't still think you buy ALL the materials needed either. There is a certain line between what you should get yourself, and what you should buy.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

kthxbai

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

PS, didn't eally think during my first post, ignore it. :lol:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well your first post did make sense. And no I am not hardheaded like stated in an earlier post. That is why I discuss this. I do see your point. That there is a certain line. But when you enter Runescape as a level 3, until your moment now, there is a certain change. A change in the way you play. The higher level you become, I feel like there are 2 ways

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

--> Way of the fun in experience. You do whatever you find fun, so if you like to go all the way from start to finish, that is what you do.

 

 

 

--> Way of pure experience/money. If you want to train efficiently, you buy the skill. If you want money, you do things that make profit.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

A little generalised, but I cannot start summing up every way to train in this game. As more and more people become rank-addicted or capatalistic, they tend to save money, to become Rich. Or train skills soully to become the best. Which goes of the cost of their fun in the game.

 

 

 

Opinions?

[Aresgodowar]

ask yourself this question.. What lev players are always chopping down mage trees?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

theres your answer. collecting is not based on lev or wealth.

[12pure34]

ask yourself this question.. What lev players are always chopping down mage trees?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

theres your answer. collecting is not based on lev or wealth.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Mage trees are for profit. They are not good for experience. So these cannot be counted for an experienced process to my opinion.

[andylax38]

so you people feel you have a right to decide who is able to play the game, and if someone wants to just buy raw materials they are worthless scum who should quit?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

because that is what it is starting to sound like, people who buy stuff are supporting autoers <_<

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Not that I condone autoing but if there were no autoers the runescape economy would collapse. A lot of the raws in the were provided by autoers and without them (even though they are cheating scum) there would be a serious rise in price of most of the common items (i.e. ores, logs, ess, food, d hides...)

[Idarodo]

Actually, 12pure34, I see that your opinions/statements make much more sense now. When I see something you wrote, I didn't reliaze before that it actually makes sense. I shoud be ashamed now. :oops:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

About that money/experience/fun thing. I've noticed it, many people just want the money. Others want exp. I don't think many do it only for fun, but there's a point too. There's some people who do it for fun and money, others for money and exp, and so on. And I think everyone finds a bit of fun in it too, even if they were doing it only for exp and money. Me, myself, do it for all these reasons. I think it's fun. I love the money flowing in (never enough of it!), and the experience, gotta love it. I was a bit dumb at first, but you can't say collecting items yourself is dumb, like you said, sometimes it might be wiser to buy, but still be more fun to gather the items yourself. Different people gather their items with different ways, and different motivations.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sleep >!

[la la la]

Sadly, I would say 80% of the pure ess and 90% of the rune ess is done by autoers. Other raws are similar, but pure ess is definitely the worst, as it is EASILY auto-able.

[LordSoultar]

I completely agree, it's all about maximizing efficiency. Now one person may say, "I'm going to mine 10k pure essence for 50k mining experience then craft them into nature runes so I can make 3m and get 90k runecrafting experience." It's a good plan if you don't have much start up cash, but at my level it is an utter waste of time. 12 hours to mine the essence and then another 10 hours to craft it and all you get is 90k rc exp and 50k mining exp.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now if I wanted to make 3m and get rc and mining exp I could just buy 15k pure essence (You'd need to make 15k in order to get 3m profit because of pure essence costs) and craft it, that would take 15 hours and get 135k rc exp. Then one hour of powermining granite will get me the 50k exp I need to match the other person.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So it should be obvious now which would be the better choice. 16 hours of work for 135k rc exp, 50k mining exp, and 3m profit is far superior to 22 hours of work for 90k rc exp, 50k mining exp, and 3m profit.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The numbers are off by a tiny bit, of course, but you can still get the general idea.

[Dalcyte]

think about it. If everyone had your strategy in life...well, there'd no one to gather from.. You're right, lower levels DO get some of the materials. But if you're interested in money-making...you'd know that gathering your own raw materials yields a much higher profit then buying it obviously.

[Antaeus]

think about it. If everyone had your strategy in life...well, there'd no one to gather from.. You're right, lower levels DO get some of the materials. But if you're interested in money-making...you'd know that gathering your own raw materials yields a much higher profit then buying it obviously.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If everyone had that attitude, you'd be bound to find an odd one that likes to gather raw materials :P If you were interested in money making (and knew what you were doing) then you would make the money in the most efficient way possible for you and your budget. (lordsoultar's example)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I agree, newer players have little choice but to begin with the gathering skills. Duh. At a certain point in your runescape career, you will have aquired a skill (or something) that provides enough income to fund efficient leveling of a "secondary" skill of your choice. These skills are generally faster in leveling, more so when supplemented with readily available raw materials.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Again, if either of the 'gathering' skills is totally your bag, then that's cool. If you enjoy picking away in the flax fields aquiring no experience whatosever for your trouble, that's cool too. (I like planking. :D)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As far as needing a constant supply of new players (or *gasp* autoers) to keep the economy going: Expand on Manage Thy Kingdom, anyone? :-k teehee.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, sir! I bought my logs, p ess, and (some) ores! (I like fishing and mining though :P) So watcha gonna do?

[Viv]

i think it depends what skill i'm going for. if i'm going for fletching or magice then i might buy yews but usually i chop them myself.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

i usually mine my own ess as at 50 rc i don't need many to get to the next level. but if i wanted to train only rcing then i'll definatly buy the ess.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

it all depends on what i'm trying to do whether i buy or gather.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

but i always buy flax cause thats a waste of time its just not worth it....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

as you get a higher level you learn when money should be spent and when money doesn't need to be spent. killing cows for cowhides is not very good exp so pretty much should be bought. but yews are pretty decent exp and are so costly nowdays that buying them is not that good i tried buying them once but then was like "this is waste of money".

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

as you get a higher leveled player then you relize which method will get you the most money/exp in the least amount of time and you become more efficient.

[12pure34]

 

think about it. If everyone had your strategy in life...well, there'd no one to gather from.. You're right, lower levels DO get some of the materials. But if you're interested in money-making...you'd know that gathering your own raw materials yields a much higher profit then buying it obviously.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If everyone had that attitude, you'd be bound to find an odd one that likes to gather raw materials :P If you were interested in money making (and knew what you were doing) then you would make the money in the most efficient way possible for you and your budget. (lordsoultar's example)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I agree, newer players have little choice but to begin with the gathering skills. Duh. At a certain point in your runescape career, you will have aquired a skill (or something) that provides enough income to fund efficient leveling of a "secondary" skill of your choice. These skills are generally faster in leveling, more so when supplemented with readily available raw materials.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, sir! I bought my logs, p ess, and (some) ores! (I like fishing and mining though :P) So watcha gonna do? \

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I am going to.. Oh.. I am going to .. =D> =D>

 

 

 

I like fishing to : Do not think I do not like collecting. I'd love to fish from time to time. Or even mine my own ores. But I prefer runecrafting, and yes.. i buy my essence :

[Azzazeal]

I like to gather my own materials where possible as that allows me to raise two skills in the process of training one.

[Kilo]

Come now. Things like pure essence and yew logs are pointless for a high skill lvl person like 70 fletching or 44 rc (not a high skill but most lower lvls don't have a very high rc lvl) to mine their own pure essence or cut their own yews because the time you need to mine say 1000 pure essence is not a low enough ammount of time to be worth doing. You make more money in a time efficient way of buying pure essence at say 100 ea then tripling that to the current nat price of around 300ea.

[haloffx]

I don't think gathering raw material is for the poor, since the raws we all buy come from people gathering them. But I do agree with you on some points; collecting takes too much time.

[xSxqPowerx]

Agreed.

 

 

 

I don't fish, mine, woodcut, etc. or gather any raw materials for the most part because it is pointless.

[no_way2go]

I agree with you for a big part.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Altough I try to collect allot of 'raw' materials myself.

 

 

 

Example:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I am now woodcutting to burn the logs later.

 

 

 

I could aswel craft 1k nats or go mine some rune and buy more logs then I could possibly cut in that time.

 

 

 

But that wouldn't get me the satisfaction I get now from making my own things from scratch.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I also mine all the rune and coal for my rune axes: it feels great to know that you made it completely yourself. \

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I did went from 77 to 85 smithing by buying my bars (wich costed me a fortune :oops: ) and not mining and smelting them all because that would take allot more time.

 

 

 

But now I try to 'make up' for it by mining and smelting everything myself (wich is way easier when being a member btw, keldagrim mines, gold gauntlets and so on :uhh: ).

[malo2]

you're acting as if getting secondary skills (cooking, fletching, smithing, ect..) is the ultimate goal in runescape. So lets say you got your fletching to 99, hows that any better then 99 woodcutting? why would you avoid woodcutting just so you could get your fletching up faster?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Even though woodcutting is a much harder skill, people still raise it because its alot more respected than fletching, because its alot harder to lvl. No matter which skill you raise, the respect will always be equal, even though the lvls will vary since some skills are harder, but the harder skills are worth more respect wise.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Plus, you don't make much money by just fletching, and you loose while cooking.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Agreed.

 

 

 

I don't fish, mine, woodcut, etc. or gather any raw materials for the most part because it is pointless.

excuse me? since when did anything in runescape have a point? In any game for that matter.

[the_drunk_dude]

from a pure time standpoint yes... completely idiotic

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

However, others are willing to save that extra gp and do it themselves

[Alg]

Possible conclusion:

 

 

 

Gathering is for the poor and lower levels (Note: I avoid the word noob as it is in no way in place here)

 

 

 

that line has likely given you a few enemies, not counting ones who have posted

 

 

 

you play the game the way you want, let others do the same without judging them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

and to answer the questions:

 

 

 

--> How do you guys feel about gathering skills?

 

 

 

all i do is fish, that answer it?

 

 

 

--> Is this conclusion right, or am I thinking the wrong way?

 

 

 

it's your opinion, no need to call it a conclusion

 

 

 

--> Are you a high/low level and how do you feel about gathering skills?

 

 

 

i'm a mid level, and i beleive gathering skills are fun

 

 

 

--> Do you feel the same, as you become a higher leveled player or have increased money?

 

 

 

i'm not higher levelled or wealthy

[Michael]

For the most part I will collect my own raw materials, using the quickest methods possible. For example I only pick flax in Lletya, as it's the quickest way. But for some skills it's just not viable or worth the extra time to be running around collecting this and that across the map. In the end it all depends on how quickly you want to train, powertraining is much quicker and for the majority of skills even with buying raw materials you still break even and someones make a substanstial profit per item you make.

[xSxqPowerx]

you're acting as if getting secondary skills (cooking, fletching, smithing, ect..) is the ultimate goal in runescape. So lets say you got your fletching to 99, hows that any better then 99 woodcutting? why would you avoid woodcutting just so you could get your fletching up faster?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Even though woodcutting is a much harder skill, people still raise it because its alot more respected than fletching, because its alot harder to lvl. No matter which skill you raise, the respect will always be equal, even though the lvls will vary since some skills are harder, but the harder skills are worth more respect wise.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Plus, you don't make much money by just fletching, and you loose while cooking.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Agreed.

 

 

 

I don't fish, mine, woodcut, etc. or gather any raw materials for the most part because it is pointless.

excuse me? since when did anything in runescape have a point? In any game for that matter.

I'm not sure how you'd rather have me phrase that. If i can raise say woodcutting and firemaking to a high lvl faster by doing the primary skill (woodcutting) with the fastest exp logs and by buying logs for firemaking, I will do that instead of cutting slower logs so I can burn them, or burning the lower lvl logs.

[x_bow80]

Agreed.

 

 

 

I don't fish, mine, woodcut, etc. or gather any raw materials for the most part because it is pointless.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Tell that too all the skillers out there lol :lol: