Whiners of Runescape Unite!

Ever since the start of Runescape, or at least the start of Runescape 2, whiners have plagued JAGeX's game, which they have spent so much of their time and energy to bring to us players. I've found an article on the Internet about whiners in MMOs, and I'm quite unsurprised to see so many of Runescape's players fitting into the categories listed. The ones in red are the ones I've found most prevalent in Runescape. The article was from: http://www.wired.com/gadgets/miscellaneous/commentary/alttext/2006/11/72119

The Power Craver

Wants only one thing -- more power with less effort. Any downgrade in power is infuriating. Any upgrade is insufficient.

Sample Quote: "I can't believe they nerfed the pillar of lava spell! How am I supposed to kill twelve ogres at once now?"

Punishment: Forced to admit that no matter how powerful in the game, still works as a cashier at Kroger in real life.

The Magical Realist

Doesn't understand what a "game" is. Constantly makes arguments based on what would be "realistic," even if the game is set in a fantasy world run by wizards and pixies.

Sample Quote: "You can't tell me a Mondlagarian Tiger Warrior is stronger than a Swamp Troll. That just doesn't make sense!"

Punishment: Sent back to kindergarten for remedial make-believe classes.

The Majority Stockholder

Seems to believe that $15 a month buys you a seat on the board of directors. Doesn't realize that a hundred thousand other people are ponying up the same amount.

Sample Quote: "I've e-mailed the developers several times telling them that Fire Paladins should have the axe-throwing skill. They haven't changed it, but they're still taking my money!."

Punishment: Forced to work customer service for an online game company.

The Emancipator

Sees the game as a titanic struggle between the evil expressive developers and the poor, downtrodden gamers. The evidence? Every rule and limitation in the game.

Sample Quote: "I don't see why I have to complete quests to get epic weapons! If I want my second-level Bumblefur Bard to wield the Deathsword of Arat'rak'k'k'k, that's my right! Quit telling me how to play!"

Punishment: Sent to Sudan to experience first-hand what oppression actually feels like.

The Eternal Quitter

Just comes on the forum to let everyone know he's quitting for good and to spend a dozen paragraphs explaining why. Then does it again three months later.

Sample Quote: "For real, this time."

Punishment: Forced to actually quit.

The Doomsayer

These are the people who roam the forums prophesying the Death of whenever a particularly large update comes up, or just any update really. Good thing they are completely incompetent in their art, else every MMO would have died a dozen times over already.

Sample Quote: " just killed . Again."

Punishment: The game actually dies. The meaning of their lives vanishes in a puff of smoke.

One-Issue Poster

Only has one complaint, but posts about it 15 times a day. This is because nobody else cares.

Sample Quote: "THE LAVENDER STARBELT IS ACTUALLY PERIWINKLE!!!! WHY DON'T THEY FIX THIS??!!!?!"

Punishment: Lavender Starbelt changed to lilac.

The Lifestyler

Wants a bunch of cosmetic changes to a single type of character. Exhibits an eerie level of identification with said character.

Sample Quote: "The Pastry Elves' laugh should be less bubbly and more tinkly. Our giggle should remind you of gazing at the stars as a child, and our smile should make you think of the taste of honey on a cool spring morning."

Punishment: Character icon replaced with accurate photograph of self.

The Deathmonger

Main complaint about the game is that you can't kill everything. Secondary complaint is that the things you can kill don't suffer enough.

Sample Quote: "Why can't I make the baker watch me kill his wife and child, then force-feed their flesh to him until his stomach bursts? What is this, Barbie's Horse Adventure?"

Punishment: To be determined, pending DNA analysis of freezer contents.

Good stuff....very timely :D

Yep, I can already see lots of doomsayers :XD:

And you are whiner

Daddy Knows Best

He is firmly on the side of game developers and views them as the ultimate god-like authority on everything whose will must never be questioned. He feels emotionally attached to dev team and often comments on their "hard work" and how sorry he is that people flame devs. To him all players who complain are just crybabies or ungrateful kids who don't appreciate the effort being made for them by the game companies. He regards the game as the sole property of devs and players should be grateful that game makers allow them to play their game.

Yeah. If Doomsayers have successfully prophesied the Death of Runescape, it would have died years ago, and there won't be all this fuss for whiners to complain about at all.

And you are whiner

 

 

 

Daddy Knows Best

 

 

 

He is firmly on the side of game developers and views them as the ultimate god-like authority on everything whose will must never be questioned. He feels emotionally attached to dev team and often comments on their "hard work" and how sorry he is that people flame devs. To him all players who complain are just crybabies or ungrateful kids who don't appreciate the effort being made for them by the game companies. He regards the game as the sole property of devs and players should be grateful that game makers allow them to play their game.

That's pretty clever! You think of it all by yourself?

I am a software developer so I treat them like I like my end-users to treat me - with God-like authority and never question me.

Hehe, by the way, here's a present for all whiners out there.

Haha, thanks for the good read. Kudos to the guy who thought that up, creative article. :)

Thanks for posting this article. It was an intresting read :)

And you are whiner

 

 

 

Daddy Knows Best

 

 

 

He is firmly on the side of game developers and views them as the ultimate god-like authority on everything whose will must never be questioned. He feels emotionally attached to dev team and often comments on their "hard work" and how sorry he is that people flame devs. To him all players who complain are just crybabies or ungrateful kids who don't appreciate the effort being made for them by the game companies. He regards the game as the sole property of devs and players should be grateful that game makers allow them to play their game.

:lol:

And you are whiner

 

 

 

Daddy Knows Best

 

 

 

He is firmly on the side of game developers and views them as the ultimate god-like authority on everything whose will must never be questioned. He feels emotionally attached to dev team and often comments on their "hard work" and how sorry he is that people flame devs. To him all players who complain are just crybabies or ungrateful kids who don't appreciate the effort being made for them by the game companies. He regards the game as the sole property of devs and players should be grateful that game makers allow them to play their game.

 

 

 

That's pretty clever! You think of it all by yourself?

 

 

 

I am a software developer so I treat them like I like my end-users to treat me - with God-like authority and never question me.

Ever considered moving to North Korea? You'll feel right at home there.

And don't even try to bring up an argument of the form "how can you compare a game to real life", because you'll expose your complete obliviousness to the concept of "Universe of Discourse". From the perspective of my in-game character, RS means as much as RL would mean from the perspective of my human person. You don't see me doing RL stuff like holding demonstrations or writing the government over RS matters, but here, on RS forums, I'm acting as proportionally when expressing outrage over the recent updates, as I would if I was demonstrating/writing to the government over real life issues.

Overall, a bad thing doesn't become better online, and a huge bad thing doesn't become good or more excusable in smaller quantitites. If it's unethical to only care about yourself while giving the shaft to your community and those who depend on you in real life, it's also wrong to do that in the game, whether the community are real-life people or just in-game avatars.

Are legal rights different? Absolutely. RS is Jagex's private property and they have much more legal rights over it than the government has over our real lives. But moral obligations? They remain the same. It's just that Jagex has much better freedom at being immoral.

A [wagon]hole in real life will remain a [wagon]hole in RS, and vice versa.

That was an enjoyable read. So true :lol:

Brilliant! :lol:

And you are whiner

 

 

 

Daddy Knows Best

 

 

 

He is firmly on the side of game developers and views them as the ultimate god-like authority on everything whose will must never be questioned. He feels emotionally attached to dev team and often comments on their "hard work" and how sorry he is that people flame devs. To him all players who complain are just crybabies or ungrateful kids who don't appreciate the effort being made for them by the game companies. He regards the game as the sole property of devs and players should be grateful that game makers allow them to play their game.

 

 

 

That's pretty clever! You think of it all by yourself?

 

 

 

I am a software developer so I treat them like I like my end-users to treat me - with God-like authority and never question me.

same here :D

I also thought they deserved all the respect,untill yesterday events...

maybe i am an optimistic fool but i am sure some1 there starts to realize the full impact of those modifications.

On Topic:

nice post

And you are whiner

 

 

 

Daddy Knows Best

 

 

 

He is firmly on the side of game developers and views them as the ultimate god-like authority on everything whose will must never be questioned. He feels emotionally attached to dev team and often comments on their "hard work" and how sorry he is that people flame devs. To him all players who complain are just crybabies or ungrateful kids who don't appreciate the effort being made for them by the game companies. He regards the game as the sole property of devs and players should be grateful that game makers allow them to play their game.

+1

Wow, that actually really fits.

roflmao good points and all so true :)

doomsayers for us all

And you are whiner

 

 

 

Daddy Knows Best

 

 

 

He is firmly on the side of game developers and views them as the ultimate god-like authority on everything whose will must never be questioned. He feels emotionally attached to dev team and often comments on their "hard work" and how sorry he is that people flame devs. To him all players who complain are just crybabies or ungrateful kids who don't appreciate the effort being made for them by the game companies. He regards the game as the sole property of devs and players should be grateful that game makers allow them to play their game.

"Whining" is one thing. To rant about an update without any thought, not even pausing to think about the update and analysing it, simply whining for whining's sake. That's whining. If, however, you disagree with the update, and voice valid arguments against it, that is totally okay. Notice that if someone uses very valid arguments to voice their opinions, and not make stupid threats, they won't fit into any of the categories above. To cap it all up:

Whining: Ranting about something with no valid arguments or with illogical reasoning to back up one's claim, and uttering stupid threats.

On the other hand, stating your opinion and backing it up with arguments is perfectly alright. In fact, I myself disagree with many of the updates JAGeX has released recently: I don't like what they are doing to trading, and I find Bounty Hunter to be flawed, but I do not whine about it, neither do I support JAGeX mindlessly. But, I don't flame them either, because they are doing what they think is necessary, and I respect that.

 

 

 

"Whining" is one thing. To rant about an update without any thought, not even pausing to think about the update and analysing it, simply whining for whining's sake. That's whining. If, however, you disagree with the update, and voice valid arguments against it, that is totally okay. Notice that if someone uses very valid arguments to voice their opinions, and not make stupid threats, they won't fit into any of the categories above. To cap it all up:

 

 

 

Whining: Ranting about something with no valid arguments or with illogical reasoning to back up one's claim, and uttering stupid threats.

 

 

 

On the other hand, stating your opinion and backing it up with arguments is perfectly alright. In fact, I myself disagree with many of the updates JAGeX has released recently: I don't like what they are doing to trading, and I find Bounty Hunter to be flawed, but I do not whine about it, neither do I support JAGeX mindlessly. But, I don't flame them either, because they are doing what they think is necessary, and I respect that.

First of all I loved the article, I know many people who fall under every category. :XD:

I am not happy with a lot of the recent updates, and until yesterdays update, I was never a participant in the Rants against the updates. We adjust and learn flexibility from the change. Yesterdays changes, however, have caused me to step up and speak against it.

I support peoples rights to view their opinions.

However, I do not support rants without back up, half those people who are ranting in the Official Forums did not even read the Development Diary, so how are Jagex supposed to take them seriously?

I have, for the first time ever, posted in the Rants Forum at RSOF, but I did so after researching the information I had, and explaining my case clearly, with supportive examples, and then added some suggested alternatives.

Jagex will most likely have millions of posts to read, I hope they stop to read the proactive ones.

Be Proactive NOT Reactive!! :

 

 

 

I support peoples rights to view their opinions.

 

 

 

However, I do not support rants without back up, half those people who are ranting in the Official Forums did not even read the Development Diary, so how are Jagex supposed to take them seriously?

 

 

 

I have, for the first time ever, posted in the Rants Forum at RSOF, but I did so after researching the information I had, and explaining my case clearly, with supportive examples, and then added some suggested alternatives.

 

 

 

Jagex will most likely have millions of posts to read, I hope they stop to read the proactive ones.

 

 

 

Be Proactive NOT Reactive!! :

I'm a bit confused with the above. To "rant" proactively is, surely, to rant before "reading the Development Diary". True rants MUST be done reactively, i.e. trying out an update before complaining, using "supportive examples" and "suggested alternatives". That, by definition, is reactive.

On topic - Great thread, I have seen many of those types of ranters (myself included sometimes, I'm afraid)

Teeg

I'm a bit confused with the above. To "rant" proactively is, surely, to rant before "reading the Development Diary". True rants MUST be done reactively, i.e. trying out an update before complaining, using "supportive examples" and "suggested alternatives". That, by definition, is reactive.

Proactive

adj. Serving to prepare for, intervene in, or control an expected occurrence or situation, esp. a negative or difficult one; anticipatory: proactive measures against crime.

Hmmmm, I see what you mean. I'm a bit confused too. =S

It's true though. Notice that JAGeX went to great lengths to explain to players exactly why they are doing this: they did so in the update article, and they even made a development diary page about it. Obviously, they anticipated the uproar, and they hoped that players can understand their situation after they hear them out. Wishful thinking, really: getting people to read on the internet is like giving a radio to a deaf man (quoted from a Runescape player).

Still, it just shows you how many people have actually done some research before they started whining and flaming JAGeX, when you look the forums both official and non-official. Less than 5% of the rant threads are actually well thought-out, with organised arguments.

Side Note: Yeah, I've seen myself on that list a few times too. =(

I'm a bit confused with the above. To "rant" proactively is, surely, to rant before "reading the Development Diary". True rants MUST be done reactively, i.e. trying out an update before complaining, using "supportive examples" and "suggested alternatives". That, by definition, is reactive.

 

 

 

Proactive

 

 

 

adj. Serving to prepare for, intervene in, or control an expected occurrence or situation, esp. a negative or difficult one; anticipatory: proactive measures against crime.

 

 

 

 

 

Hmmmm, I see what you mean. I'm a bit confused too. =S

 

 

 

It's true though. Notice that JAGeX went to great lengths to explain to players exactly why they are doing this: they did so in the update article, and they even made a development diary page about it. Obviously, they anticipated the uproar, and they hoped that players can understand their situation after they hear them out. Wishful thinking, really: getting people to read on the internet is like giving a radio to a deaf man (quoted from a Runescape player).

 

 

 

Still, it just shows you how many people have actually done some research before they started whining and flaming JAGeX, when you look the forums both official and non-official. Less than 5% of the rant threads are actually well thought-out, with organised arguments.

Yep I have confused myself now. Lets see if I can unconfuse myself as well as you.

Proactive: Researching your argument and posting suggestions that will possibly help Jagex find a solution to the RWT issues.

Reactive: Flaming Jagex with spam such as "joo killed Runescape" or Rioting.

Examples of 8 or 9 out of 10 rants yesterday.

*Person logs into runescape and gets on lightning chat*

OMG THEY RUINED RS - R.I.P. Ruinedscape.

-Have you tried the updates out yet?

3k Limit and NO RC PKING?!?!?!

-They have bounty hunter you should try it out.

MY PK BUDDIES QUIT AND SO DO I1!!!!!111

An example of rant forums on RSOF.

SIGN A PETITION FOR JAGEX TO CHANGE WILDY BACK:

lists of names..

....

....

middle finger with something saying screw you Andrew.

/examples

I have not had one intellectual conversation with a whiner or a ranter yet.

I have talked to some people that say they like everything but the 3k balanced trade, which is the same boat I am in. My suggestion aong with many other people is to put a percentage kindof like the Grand Exchange has so people are allowed to buy for a higer price if they want it more.

People quitting within the first 24 hours of a new update also boggles my mind. I didn't play this long to not try and atleast see why Jagex has done something.

People who say Real world trading and bots are no big deal either are

A) Are real world trading/drop trading to other accounts.

B) Have not read how much damage RWT and Autoing does to Jagex.

C) Rather have bottomline prices because autoers stick all their flax in Grand Exchange for low price and don't care about the market.

I try to look at the benefits when a new update comes out and then weed out what I don't like about the new update. Anyone who thinks signing a petition will make them reverse all the months of work they put into this development is ignorant. I personally hate every bot and every RWT trading site I see. Jagex knew small steps against autoing and RWT would only hold them off so long. They decided to do the striking blow now and I really think it was all for the best. There are plenty of rough edges now, but I have faith that thehy will smooth out.

EDIT: I forgot about part of the update, BANKSPACE.

And you are whiner

 

 

 

Daddy Knows Best

 

 

 

He is firmly on the side of game developers and views them as the ultimate god-like authority on everything whose will must never be questioned. He feels emotionally attached to dev team and often comments on their "hard work" and how sorry he is that people flame devs. To him all players who complain are just crybabies or ungrateful kids who don't appreciate the effort being made for them by the game companies. He regards the game as the sole property of devs and players should be grateful that game makers allow them to play their game.

:thumbsup:

im the guy meili described :P