"The Money Free RuneScape"...

Yeah, now with goldfarmers gone, unbalanced trade restrictions removed, and the nerf to monster hunting, I've been thinking...

I could do things without the aid of other players, at all.

I have seriously been thinking about selling all my stuff, then spend it all on possible a few seriously big items OR put them down the drain in skills (Kind of defeating the purpose, lol) and just try to be 100% self suffient.

This means i would not allow myself to BUY stuff, etc... I want to use a whip for fighting... Off to kill abyssal demons to i get one. Sounds fun (Except that i would have to kick them to death. Lol).

Ooh, i want some barrows armor so i can fight higher levelled monsters... Well, off to barrows i go to get a set!.

If i want a smithing lv, make things i could actually USE for stuff and not throwaway items (Arrows and knifes for killing monsters, etc) and instead of high alching things keep the items as money would be totally worthless.

Bad cons:

If i spend all the cash on skills, i would not have a choise to redo it, which COULD lead to quitting out of boredom as i wouldn't could do all the money craving things.

This is definetelly NOT the easist way of playing.

I cannot do alot of things which i where able to before, and rush through things like quests and high level monsters / slayer assignments with my suporior armor.

Good cons:

I would get a whole new challenge, and possible enjoy runescape more when it's not all about money, etc...

The idea of working back up from scratch have been appealing me for a bit of time.

My "Lower" skills would get a serious workover, as to train firemaking i would have to go actually CUT my own logs instead of just putting in 4M in GE and have 99 bought in seconds.

Things i would most likely leave myself with:

A few teleport devices (Glory's, Rings of duelling, Games necklases).

A dragon axe (To speed up woodcutting somewhat).

A set of armor with weapon (Neitznot helm, D scimmy, rune armor, etc... The low end, nothing "uber").

Raw materials you would have to buy (Feathers, can't really think of more right now).

Well, i would like your guys and gals oppinion on "the money free runescape" as i've stated it, as im seriously considering it. Maybe i might even bring the spark back from a retiree which wants to try something new...

I am 100% sure though, that nothing will happen before i have gotten atleast +134 combat from summoning, so i've had time to try it out.

Also, if anyones intrested or wondering, those are my stats:

You could always play RS without the help of other players. Everyone just chose to be lazy.

To be honest I could see myself enjoying this style of play, although I'd probably keep most of my bank at the moment. I agree it could become tedious after a while but it is definitely something I have considered before.

Its kinda funny, I mentioned this exact same idea to my friend yesterday, and I thought it would be kinda interesting if Jagex implemented it in the future. I know its highly unlikely but I think it would bring a whole new appreciation to everything in the game.

I think its ftw, but most people shudder at the thought.

I've always wondered what a bartering system would be like in RS.

I think at first no one would like it, but I could get used to it easily.

You could always play RS without the help of other players. Everyone just chose to be lazy.

Perhaps some chose to be lazy...

But if i wanted to do things without interaction with other players, i may aswell play a single player game; and there are better single player games out there.

We want a multiplayer game, but GE, because of its limited prices may aswell be an NPC run giant shop.

Also there is less interaction without wilderness and duel arena.

oops double post.

I think there is tons of interaction, I trade with people normally all the time, talk on clan chat, and go to clan wars, everything I do involves other people. I don't understand why everyone has their panties in a bunch because they can't easily give all their money away and gift out all their armor. Play runescape and have fun.

The whole point of this game is interaction and the buying and selling of goods and some people tend to be lazy and buy all the raw material then put everything together while others are self sufficient. Its a game, play it how you'd like to.

Being 100% self-sufficient is a phenomenal waste of time and quite frankly it's nothing to be proud of. Ever heard of comparative advantage?

I've always wondered what a bartering system would be like in RS.

 

 

 

I think at first no one would like it, but I could get used to it easily.

Well, technically, bartering is trading without a formal currency (that would define values based on the whole of society). Unfortunately, that would run into 2 obstacles:

(1) Every item in RS would have no value whatsoever. GP currency has to be taken out of the system.

(2) It's too late now to tell everyone that that dinky little crown some few people wear is only worth a log. People would barter a party hat for a log, and it would work. This could only happen if everyone did not know that a phat is worth tons of millions.

Being 100% self-sufficient is a phenomenal waste of time and quite frankly it's nothing to be proud of. Ever heard of comparative advantage?

True, true, it's not an advantage. But you have to think about the people who don't have enough money from killing monsters or lack of merchanting skills (I mean, to not know where the GE is). I know I'm about to be self-sufficient myself to gain my goals, one which includes making as much money as possible on my own. I can't wait to start.

~WSW~

Being 100% self-sufficient is a phenomenal waste of time and quite frankly it's nothing to be proud of. Ever heard of comparative advantage?

I find that ppl with high mining are usually better in other skills in general.

Its a game, play it how you'd like to.

Thats how i wish it was. But with jagex removing parts of the game rather than adding to it (Duel arena, wilderness) ,removing the bits that i'd play how i like. We are confined to skilling (which i've done my fair share of already- rank 15 hunter) and i'd like to play for fame like i used to, with staking videos; but i can't, many elements of true skill have been taken away.

With less to do after yuo've completed all quests, and all the skilling that yuo can bear; there is no 'afterplay' which i used to like to do.

I also can't play it how i'd like to with trading; with crazy limits, price floors and starting prices. GE means that you can't play the game how you like, Jagex makes you play how they like.

Blinnd yourself if you will, but if you care to look: You don't play it how you'd like to, you play it how Jagex likes you to...and if the two are very similar, consider yourself very lucky.

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You can play this game however you like, and if you want to be 100% self sufficient then that's great. But really, try not to put yourself out crazily, OK, cutting your own logs because it gets you good xp is fair enough, but for some things it is so much easier to use the help of other people in this massive MULTIPLAYER online game. Being self-sufficient is one thing, but ignoring any help anyone else offers/can give to you is just being silly. So good luck with it, but try not to let it overwhelm you. :thumbsup:

Being 100% self-sufficient is a phenomenal waste of time and quite frankly it's nothing to be proud of. Ever heard of comparative advantage?

Forget comparative advantage. Ever heard of efficiency?

Just imagine trying to get to 99 runecrafting by mining your own pure essence. That would be a collosal waste of time.

Might be just thing you need to keep yourself in the game.

Sounds fun : .

Although it might be worth your while to alch some items for store bought items incase you ever need them. (Neitiznot Helm, Dragon Scimitar).

Although some clues would be harder to do.

Being 100% self-sufficient is a phenomenal waste of time and quite frankly it's nothing to be proud of. Ever heard of comparative advantage?

 

 

 

Forget comparative advantage. Ever heard of efficiency?

 

 

 

Just imagine trying to get to 99 runecrafting by mining your own pure essence. That would be a collosal waste of time.

Efficiency is the result of comparative advantage.

You're going to regret this three years down the road when you realized how much time you spent not enjoying what you were doing.

I personally wouldnt like the game to much if I had to do EVERYTHING this way 100% or nothing.

However, I most likely would get used to doing a few newer things that I usually never do and dont plan on doing anytime soon.

This all has quite the broad scope, as would one consider MTK being 'self sufficent'?

One wouldnt be interacting and or trading with other players but would still be saving themselves from having to cut 28k maples a month to firemake with.

Being 100% self-sufficient is a phenomenal waste of time and quite frankly it's nothing to be proud of. Ever heard of comparative advantage?

 

 

 

Forget comparative advantage. Ever heard of efficiency?

 

 

 

Just imagine trying to get to 99 runecrafting by mining your own pure essence. That would be a collosal waste of time.

 

 

 

Efficiency is the result of comparative advantage.

AKA...thats what he was trying to say the whole time.

True, true, it's not an advantage. But you have to think about the people who don't have enough money from killing monsters or lack of merchanting skills (I mean, to not know where the GE is). I know I'm about to be self-sufficient myself to gain my goals, one which includes making as much money as possible on my own. I can't wait to start.

 

So you clearly don't know what comparative advantage is. It's when you do something that has the least opportunity cost. Having a low income still gives you options therefore there is no good reason to be self-sufficient. You do what you are best at doing (or for low levels, what you are least bad at doing). The only person who is better off being self-sufficient is the person who sucks at absolutely everything.

 

AKA...thats what he was trying to say the whole time.

It sounded more like he was saying that it was not comparative advantage and it was, instead, efficiency. I merely corrected that to say that they are both, in fact, related.

I am quite self-sufficient, I cut all the logs I burn, catch all the fish I cook and mine all the ores I smith. Sure to some people it might seem like a huge waste of time and true I level slowly but it gives me a greater sense of acheivement. The only things I really buy are weapons and armour (Like treasure trail armours as I'm F2p).

I am quite self-sufficient, I cut all the logs I burn, catch all the fish I cook and mine all the ores I smith. Sure to some people it might seem like a huge waste of time and true I level slowly but it gives me a greater sense of achievement. The only things I really buy are weapons and armour (Like treasure trail armours as I'm F2p).

I'm almost exactly the same way. It's just that I don't do it for the sense of achievement, I do it because it's the only way I can afford. :?

(By the way, I almost laughed out loud when I saw "bad cons".)

It all comes down to what you want to do. If you want alot of high levels, then you will need to rely on other players for some of the raw materials.

If you enjoy being self-sufficient, then do it.

However, don't complain about how much it stinks that you are leveling so much slower than everyone else. You have the same opportunities that they have.

It comes back to how Jagex put the trading limit. This has hurt alot of people that would make multi-millions staking and then spending it on skills. I could have chosed to do the same thing, but I built my skills a bit more traditionally. This is my choice, and that is theirs. We both have a right to play the game how we want (within the rules).

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Well.. I mine my own ores and essence, but that's about it :oops:

True, true, it's not an advantage. But you have to think about the people who don't have enough money from killing monsters or lack of merchanting skills (I mean, to not know where the GE is). I know I'm about to be self-sufficient myself to gain my goals, one which includes making as much money as possible on my own. I can't wait to start.

 

 

 

 

So you clearly don't know what comparative advantage is. It's when you do something that has the least opportunity cost. Having a low income still gives you options therefore there is no good reason to be self-sufficient. You do what you are best at doing (or for low levels, what you are least bad at doing). The only person who is better off being self-sufficient is the person who sucks at absolutely everything.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

AKA...thats what he was trying to say the whole time.

 

 

 

It sounded more like he was saying that it was not comparative advantage and it was, instead, efficiency. I merely corrected that to say that they are both, in fact, related.

No, I know what comparative advantage is. When I meant "it", I meant being 100% self-sufficient is not an advantage. Furthermore, to have any comparative advantage you need money, ergo, my further reasoning for (close to) 100% self-sufficiency (people who don't have the money need to be 100% self-sufficient - most cases anyways).

~WSW~

wow why bother with an MMO then

part of the fun is trading, gaining wealth, and friends and honor

jagex is strangling friendship fundamentally its not dead yet

but sooner or later this will not feel like an MMO game anymore