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Not sure for your situation then, but my friend who just got a perm ban shows that he can come back after one year. And my glitcher friend who was one of the most known glitchers just got his very old account unbanned. Jagex policy on bots is ever changing

I honestly would prefer a ban over a level reset. In actuality, a perm ban is really just a year-long ban. In the very off chance I would be willing to wait a year to continue playing, I guarantee it would take longer than one year to get the levels I have right now, again. Perm ban please

Well that's what I get for listening to second hand information. It always comes from my friends who are trying for divines, and this one in particular has a disk and a pump, so I assumed his statement would have some backing.

Only good I see from this update is that Ely's and Divine's have taken a (likely temporary) dive in price due to the corp update and due to the lack of damage absorption appearing on the interface. Downside is I can no longer afford one after buyng a bunch of skilling crap.

Wish there was a mechanic on the dung ring to switch roles without having to open the interface, like "Customize", to switch between melee to range to magic to skiller BUT "Change", to switch between the choices in each role. OT Magic is most fun, melee is most efficient, range is somewhere inbetween I would say melee is rapier, CLS is range, maul is mage

Again, you continue to focus on a single part of my thread, and you continue to disregard the rest of it. What don't you see about this. If it was that easy to do, I think it would have been done already by Jagex. There have been prices corrections before. There are a lot of underlying things behind this that I am sure that most of the general RS populace doesn't see in the same way the developers do Now, FFS, how about you stop focusing on the absolute SMALLEST part of my thread for longer than 10 minutes. And I did edit the original post, take the time to go see, you'll notice some additions and omissions AND SERIOUSLY, BED THIS TIME. I have work in 5 hours.

This. Stop it. No, there is not a chance, because trading sticks are completely unrelated to the rares market. As long as you keep pretending it might be, you are not dropping the subject and it's ridiculous to expect that everyone else will. To think you seem to know inside and out how to fix this portion off the market comes off as very conceited. I dare say you know jack about it either, I don't see you coming up with any ideas other than "FIX THE GE", which is what everyone else spews out on a daily basis. I will not stand down on my point that there is a chance for it to be implemented, WHICH IS WHY I POSTED THIS, to gather ideas from optimistic posters<Profanity Removed>. Obviously there aren't any of those to be found at this hour, so I will be going to sleep, and hopefully someone a little more optimistic will have posted by the time I wake up. Yes stand by your view. But when questioned you need to give actual reasons. No-one has refused you're view we have only QUESTIONED elements of it. And in return we have been flamed, cussed at and told to not talk about certain parts of you're idea. Using a swear is highly different than directing it at someone. And excuse me for being upset that all you two seem to respond to me about is something I said I don't have the answer to. I'm not going to suddenly form an answer if you continue to ASK me something I don't know. It wasn't my only view, which you seem to be stuck on. Bed awaits.

This. Stop it. No, there is not a chance, because trading sticks are completely unrelated to the rares market. As long as you keep pretending it might be, you are not dropping the subject and it's ridiculous to expect that everyone else will. To think you seem to know inside and out how to fix this portion off the market comes off as very conceited. I dare say you know jack about it either, I don't see you coming up with any ideas other than "FIX THE GE", which is what everyone else spews out on a daily basis. I will not stand down on my point that there is a chance for it to be implemented, WHICH IS WHY I POSTED THIS, to gather ideas from optimistic posters <Profanity Removed>. Obviously there aren't any of those to be found at this hour, so I will be going to sleep, and hopefully someone a little more optimistic will have posted by the time I wake up.

Still waiting on any counterpoints by the way

Look at my 4th post in this thread, the one where it says I don't want to make this only about rares any more. Then you, bedman, and green go on to do exactly what I just asked not to happen, continue to ask about rares. So what do I do? I respond. Then you get angry that I keep talking about them? Perfect sense. And Realize, grow up Erm I've re-read the entire first page. No-one mentioned rares after you diverted from them, other than me in brief passing & Bedman in like his only post on the thread. And you did in fact bring up junk trading before anyone else. You're angry at us because you brought up junk trading and we questioned it? Also yes you have posted reasons now for you're points, but they all boil down "draw people back to other currencies and give them more use" which is great but is a total diversion and ignoring of other points you previously brought up about junk trading etc that we questioned. In that form of merely making other currencies more useful and drawing some attention back to them yes its a fine idea; as for your other spiel about fixing the market and junk trading its total rubbish. Please, point out where I said I knew how it could fix junk trading. I only ever said there's a chance, if done properly, by the company itself, that it could. If I knew how it could, don't you think I would have mentioned it? Green mentioned it as well after I said I wanted to move on, and while you say only 3 mentioned it, that is essentially the entirety of the thread. You seem to be focusing a lot on this portion of the suggestion, which wasn't what I intended. You can either continue to dwell on that and ignore all other points I am trying to make, or maybe you can be a little more open-minded about what I am posing here. And green, yeah, they do already have current uses, but what I am trying to say is to expand their uses beyond the current ones, and make them interact with each other, instead of acting as their own niche currency, only usable in one area of RuneScape. I don't get why this is such a hard concept for you guys to wrap your heads around.

Look at my 4th post in this thread, the one where it says I don't want to make this only about rares any more. Then you, bedman, and green go on to do exactly what I just asked not to happen, continue to ask about rares. So what do I do? I respond. Then you get angry that I keep talking about them? Perfect sense. And Realize, grow up

There are your points. I have yet to see any rebuttals as to why this could be a bad thing.

First off I would like to see you make a counterclaim how it could potentially harm the economy in any seriously damaging way? Imps dropping Godswords, wile obviously an exaggeration you used to prove your point, would have a negative impact. But I fail to see how making different types of money required to purchase or upgrade new sorts of gear is something negative. Harder yes, but why is harder bad? So think of a way this is a bad idea, while I post why it's a good idea, which I will edit in in a moment. And Paw Claw, I keep mentioning it in my posts is because it's the only thing anyone else has even discussed on here, am I supposed to ignore what you guys are asking me about? It'd be like asking me about new weapons, but no one talks about anything but Dragon Claws, then having you get pissed at me for only replying about Dragon Claws! The positives I see are as follows More varied gameplay With different forms of money available to players, it's going to be able to open up the doors for items that are only achievable through these forms of items. Want those Cool jungle gloves that let you do x? Dish out the trading sticks. Crossing over two areas of the game This is going to open up the possiblity of having items require multiple types of currency, as mentioned in the initial post. A unique item, be it functional or simply cosmetic, availible only to those who spent the time acquiring all sorts of different types of RuneScape money. It gives players something to work for, and does the following: Renews interest in currently deserted areas of RuneScape I can safely say for the most part that mostly no one does Tai Bwo Wannai cleanup except for the diaries or for a quest. Making something like that minigame a viable way of gaining trading Sticks, which would now be more useful, would make the game more popular and would rekindle interest in it. Something like new types of currency will "un-obsolete" old runescape areas. Allow for more varied future updates As mentioned before, most rewards are focused around GP. With different types of currencies availible, it's going to allow more varied rewards, perhaps offering a Tokkul incentive in lieu of a GP one. Possible updates to acquiring these currencies With an increased need for things like Tokkul or Fist of Guthix tokens, it will allow Jagex to make more game updates that focus on obtaining these items, giving more variety to the game THERE are your points. Now show me how something like this wouldn't benefit RuneScape. I don't consider difficulty a bad thing.

Perhaps if both of you opened your eyes and saw a few posts above the one you continue to question you would notice I never claimed that new forms of currency would magically stop junk trading, I said they could possibly be a way to. Why do you think I posted on this forum? To gather opinions and ideas. You can disagree with me, fine, but if your one talking point is that single matter you continue to bring up, then you may as well leave the thread now, because this isn't a thread for close-minded. Christ. Hence why I also noted it would be wise to make Trading sticks (irony here)... untradeable

No, I want them to have the option to be able to do it how things are currently, or for there to be some form of viable alternative if players don't feeling add dishing out tons of junk or risings for items they want. A lot of people seem to be missing the point, whether it being my fault for perhaps not adequately explaining, or otherwise. If more types of currency are implemented and circulated through the game, it doesn't take away from current game aspects, yet has potential to add many more types of game aspects.

Obby items are buyable for coins and are dropped MA credits are literally only obtainable by offering items that need to be acquired through either drops, or just buying them with GP, and to not buy mind runes or w/e for credits is highly ineffective. The other two are correct yes, but again, you missed my point entirely. I am talking about implementing them widespread into the game itself, not just in their own little niche areas of Runescape. And yeah, it's very easy to make 18 million coins in this game. Hell at level 11 summoning you can already make over 300k an hour. People just don't know the best ways to make GP.

There are trading Sticks from Karamja as well, and good call on the Dungeoneering Tokens as well... Makes me wonder if Castle Wars tickets, Archery tickets, Warrior's guild tokens, etc., etc., could all be considered/implemented as currencies. Would be interesting to see a Mega item that requires dung tokens, FOG tokens, CW tickets, Archery tickets, WG tokens, Tokkul, GP, and Trading Sticks to purchase. EDIT: Made a list in the initial post, if I am missing any, please tell me.

I just went smithing with a BoB.. unless these wern't affected the same way people are saying Prayer was, I noticed no difference.. Dumping from my BoB into my inventory didn't interrupt my smithing. I just had to use Smith-X, not Smith All... But I ALWAYS had to use Smith X when using a Yak

A few lines down I mention the idea of items that require different types of currencies to obtain. That pretty much encompasses it in terms of things that come to mind for ME. Currency is pretty much a single-use item, to exchange goods for it. I don't expect adding more types to necessarily revolutionize RuneScape, but it certainly could add more variety to the game and would encourage players to get it on their own to be able to get the new items, or repairs, or exchange rates, or anything of the sort. I posted here to get opinions and ideas from the other players, as the ideas I have are fairly limited in contrast to the hundreds and hundreds who browse the forums.

Removing those from the game is a silly idea, nor is it one that would ever happen, not this far in anyways. And that part of the market is what is defunct yes, the rest functions very well. Still though, the main chunk of this discussion is to talk about the implementation and potential uses for different currency types. I don't want to dwell on the rares aspect anymore.

Well of course there's no easy way to fix the rares mess we're currently in (save for just what you said [which wont happen]), but the rares market is a very low-key part of the economy when you look at the economy as a whole. I only focus on that in my initial post because I feel that this could be a way, when properly thought out, to fix the defunct market. Implementing more currencies and breathing life into existing ones opens up the door for many new items and goals and methods of doing things around RuneScape

That part of my suggestion was poorly worded, and I haven't really put much thought into it, but I always was under the impression that gold wasn't used primarily for rares because of how easy it is to obtain, exactly why these rares are worth so much gold (because gold is worthless at those levels of purchases). If there was a new form of currency worth more than the current GP, it would be more desirable to trade rares for the new currency instead of just adding junk.

I frequent the threads on Tip.it and RSOF that concern high-end gear, rares, and expensive items in general. The more I browse, the better I understand how worthless "coins", or GP, really are... For high-end, expensive content, they are essentially a lesser currency used to build your way up to "rare" currency, like pumpkins or lower partyhats. I see this as a problem. So it made me think; what if RuneScape introduced different types of currency? And no, I don't mean Tokkul or Trading sticks (Though those could be put to better use as well). Actual currency that would be used in a similar way to the current coins... Taking a page from WoW and having, bronze, silver, gold, or whatever they have. Now the names could be different sure, but I think different tiered currency could actually help this game a lot.. It would of course take time and effort to properly assimilate into the game, and a lot of players would be against the update (but when aren't players against change?). There is currently a pseudo-currency that is fairly underused, save for maybe the highly wealthy, and those are spirit shards. They are always worth 25 gold each, and now that you can sell them back to pet shop owners for full price, most wealthy hold a lot of their coins in spirit shards, since 2.1 billion spirit shards is over 50 billion coins. Even higher of a form of currency are shard packs... But all those things are not what I am getting at. I feel if RuneScape introduced tiered currency, coins and currency in general could have and maintain a lot more uses. Certain items could be a specific type of currency, which could either by used solely to purchase something or in conjunction with other lower tiered currencies... No longer would players NECESSARILY have to deal with pumpkins and lower rares to purchase higher rares. How this could be implemented, I am unsure, it's why I am posting here, to gather opinions from intelligent people willing and that are open to new ideas and different approaches I would also like to see better implementation of the current foreign currencies in RuneScape (listed below). I feel that the existing currencies apart from gold should be untradeable, except if new items are introduced that are ONLY purchaseable with said currency (IE a new obsidian drop that can ONLY be traded for tokkul). This leaves open the possibility of introducing gear to the game that could require multiple currencies from NPCs For example, a very good helm that could require 5 million GP, 8 million SP (Silver Pieces, a thought up currency just for this example), 200k Tokkul, and 300k Trading sticks. Items like this could encourage players to work for their gear by having to acquire new and existing currencies by doing the things needed in order to acquire them, whether it be through killing TzHaar, or by fixing the city in Tai Bwo Wannai. This would also more than likely mean that there would need to be more ways of acquiring the new and existing types of foreign currency. I think Most or all uncultivated underground areas could be extended to use Tokkul, and the ENTIRE island of Karamja would use Trading sticks as its currency. All of this would take a lot of careful planning, as well as excellent execution. That without even mentioning the obvious fact that it would take getting used to. But I feel that in the end it would eliminate a lot of the current problems with our essentially single-type currency that handles most of RuneScape's transactions. The positives I see are as follows More varied gameplay With different forms of money available to players, it's going to be able to open up the doors for items that are only achievable through these forms of items. Want those Cool jungle gloves that let you do x? Dish out the trading sticks. Crossing over two areas of the game This is going to open up the possiblity of having items require multiple types of currency, as mentioned in the initial post. A unique item, be it functional or simply cosmetic, availible only to those who spent the time acquiring all sorts of different types of RuneScape money. It gives players something to work for, and does the following: Renews interest in currently deserted areas of RuneScape I can safely say for the most part that mostly no one does Tai Bwo Wannai cleanup except for the diaries or for a quest. Making something like that minigame a viable way of gaining trading Sticks, which would now be more useful, would make the game more popular and would rekindle interest in it. Something like new types of currency will "un-obsolete" old runescape areas. Allow for more varied future updates As mentioned before, most rewards are focused around GP. With different types of currencies availible, it's going to allow more varied rewards, perhaps offering a Tokkul incentive in lieu of a GP one. Possible updates to acquiring these currencies With an increased need for things like Tokkul or Fist of Guthix tokens, it will allow Jagex to make more game updates that focus on obtaining these items, giving more variety to the game Currencies that could be implemented widespread into RuneScape (Might have missed some) Coins Tokkul Trading Sticks Dungeoneering Tokens Warrior's Guild Tokens Fist of Guthix Tokens Pieces of Eight Archery Tickets Castle Wars Tickets Give me your opinions.

Keep hearing more and more from friends that Ely is about to hit GE max... 6 of my friends so far have gotten an Ely after having a offer in for 1 - 4 days at max

Explain how to me, in terms of a PVP stance, which I am pretty sure you're talking about. It protects over whip, over claws, over chaotics, leaving most to use it as a main weapon, which puts them at a disadvantage. It has a 60% spec, so not even the ring of vigour can allow you to use it twice in a row. It's crap if they protect from magic or have decent magic defence (I went from 2 hitting 138s in full bandos 9/10 duels with special restores, to hitting 230s if lucky on 116's with protect from magic on). the only context i really care about is safe pvp, so none of the protect applies; also in safe pvp you can use it twice in a row without vigour ring (via spec restores). i have seen it hit through dhide and/or karil pretty easily. you can carry both claws and ks, so pretty much no matter what armor your opponent has on you will be able to hit them 90%+ of the time. plus considering each of these easily hits above 500, you can basically two-hit any opponent. Well I think when formulating damage etc. for new weapons, Jagex's concern lies with dangrous PVP, where actual risk is a concern. Personally if you're going to talk about safe PVP at all, there's plenty that's overpowered far before this weapon came out.