compfreak847

So what happens if I'm slaying in proslyte + verac skirt, and I pick to keep my whip, defender, and fury because I don't want to get another defender. I then bank my proslete and withdraw bandos tassets and chestplate to continue slaying on another monster. I'm not paying much attention, and I accidentally die; it sucks that I lost my whip, but it's only 1.5m, right? Oh wait.. I just lost 24m! What if I pick to save my fury, karils top, and verac helm at Armadyl, then get myself a nice LSed hilt. I accidentally die when I'm trying to duo with a team and my teammate teles without telling me. Oh well, 1m from karils lost isn't that bad, considering I just got a hilt, right? Oh wait, make that 65m... I could go on about DKS etc. etc., but the bottom line is that it's far too easy to forget (who remembers to change their death items every time they bank or get a drop?) and would create far more problems. You can't fix what aint broken. Sure, sometimes it gyps you and you lose something you don't want to, but it's the best of all possible solutions. That being said, I'm glad you finally see my point -.-

But the point is that your in the minority. Many of us enjoy updates, and updates > no updates. I don't like having fewer game updates because my money is distributed to freeloaders; yeah, from their perspective its great, but I'm paying to get updates not give someone else updates. Moderator edit: What's the point in quoting it and replying, when you know it will be removed? Quote removed.

Know of something called green d'hide? Or for that matter, a prayer called "protect from magic"? Come on. There are a lot of mages if FoG because of the free runes, not because magic is overpowered there. Either you're a noob or they're experts at FoG. Or it could be something about magic hitting 16s from a distance while melee runs around trying to hit 10s =D>

Strongly disagree. Your looking at those rates prior to slayer mask\prayer, using proven methods for adjusting, and I find info on tasks like suqahs and iron dragons to be very similar to my rates. Exactly, but I haven't seen any hard data on how frequent each tasks are - and it's very hard to collect in a short timeframe; even leveling to 99, your only going to get a few dozen of each tasks (like Zarfot). I'm telling you it's not that; all equipment and inventories remain the same, and with auto-reteliate the main factor (speed of attacking) is completely removed. If anything, a regular task should yield considerably more variance as it incorporates human error. Notice the key word in "about". My rates are are not giving in a specific post, as the arguments about them spread over many pages. You should know, it was you who I was arguing with. You can drop the stuipd argument. I've proven that I'm not an idiot, and using that as a cover up isn't an effective argument, or even an argument at all. I can sit here and post "your an idiot because you misread my post" all day long, and follow up any misunderstandings of mine with "your an idiot because you posted wrong", but the reverse argument can be used in either. Pick one and stick with it, either it's the posters or the readers fault. Don't try and say it's "always" my fault irregardless of if its my post or my interpretation. I certainly wasn't aware you used protect from magic at specters; I find karils to be enough magic defence that a unicorn keeps me healed, and the savings in prayer potions makes up for the very minor boost a summon can provide. It certainly wasn't. I read "no", and I thought about responding simply by asking if it was a typo, but it was quite obvious that it no, as now wasn't even grammatically correct - the whole sentance didn't make sense if it was now instead of no. I was trying to avoid being nitpicky, but I might as well post if it you insist upon harping on it. It most certainly is. If I'm differing 10% in a test where I don't even do anything besides climb up and down a ladder every 3 minutes, it's quite obvious that combat results are skewed due to the randomness of the hit calculation system.

Only the ones that were accessed during the breech. It's common on library\school\friends computers, as if your home computer is infected you've got a lot more problems. As such, it will generally only affect one of your accounts.

I agree with that; however, there might be a way to make personal choice work -- I have no idea what it might be, but it is something to think about. If someone can find it, great -- if not, we have the best system we can come up with right now. I think we can agree on this much: high alch value is the best system we currently know of. If there's a way to make personal choice work without being so unwieldy, then I can't think of who wouldn't like it, making it a better system, but if there isn't a way, then what we have is still a very good system. Yes, that's what it boils down to. But I highly doubt there IS a better way to work personal choice; there's really not a whole lot of options for it.

u r has samrtz How about a Godcape at Bandos, you know, 1 more invertory for a brew? I almost hate to ask, but... What the heck are you talking about? If it's items, your bandos tassets for solo cover the item needed quite handily, and for team bandos (by far the majority), you need inventory space far more then you need extra potions.

Thank you fenir, you brought up a number of argument points I hadn't desired. Starting over is a great example; I have fun by doing new things, not re-doing what I've already accomplished. Nah, this discussion is still quite a ways from a flame war, mostly because the discusees (new word please?) all seem to be slightly older and more mature then the the ones that usually set of flame wars. Doesn't mean we're immune, though - we've had a few blowouts, but they've all been recovered from. There's a fine, fine line between "heated argument" and "flame war" ;)

Except that as you dump them the price will fall just as fast as it rose when you bought them for max, and you'll end up with zero profit. People tend to overlook this fact.

Then you are not using a hally correctly. I have NEVER gotten to 4 knockdowns with a hally, 3 is uncommon, 2 is the most common, and I've gotten quite a few with a SINGLE knockdown. You just have to be fast with switching.

Oh, so you just mean that actually violating the rules (using language, macroing) in things unrelated to RS are bannable? It clears that up, but I wasn't aware that people could brag about glitches without receiving anything other then a mild slap of the hand and post removal. The way I read it was quite simple and easy to follow: Ban for bragging about\posting screenhots\continuing after a mod has removed posted and posted to stop several times, and I was confused as to why it wasn't happening. I guess TIF has no rules for bragging about bug abusing to gain massive amounts of wealth as well as posting screenshots and detailing methods required. IMO it's a perm ban worthy offense (just like it is on RS), but I guess the mods don't see it that way. Report the posts instead of whining about it. we're not mind readers there's no way we can tell what posts you are talking about. I'm not talking about specific posts, I'm talking about rules in general. I linked to a few posts to show an example, but I'm not referring to specific things. I'm just saying I don't like that (according to you) there is nothing in the rules about penalties for bragging about, posting screenshots, and teaching other TIF users how to break RS rules to gain an unfair advantage. Yes, a moderator (at his discretion) can give a slap on the hand in the forum of a few day ban, post removal, or warning, but there's nothing serious, unlike the RS consequences. In my opinion, it's very similar to the argument over RuneHQ RWT advertisements a year or two ago. Should fansites ensure that rules of RS are strongly enforced, or shouuld they leave it alone and let users post bug abuses as they wish? As it stands, some TIF mods remove bug abuse posts, but even those who have posted many times are never given any lasting punishment. It's the mods stance, I'm just disagreeing with it and disliking the fact that there is no official rule about it.

Ah yes, "making babies" is totally non-sexual. How could it possible be construed as such? I mean, I would NEVER get in trouble if I walked up to a random person in the street and said "hey, wanna make babies?" Use your head, people. ALL sex-related talk is outlawed on RS, ranging from "be my GF" to various statement not appropriate for this forum. As and for the rule, don't even try and pretend you don't know what rule it was. Not only do they tell you directly on the account page (hell, it's even in your screenshot... notice the words "offense type"), but the title of "offensive language" sort of gives it away. -.- Honestly people, use your brains. Walking up to someone you don't know in real life and asking "wanna make babies" is something that will land you in a considerable amount of trouble. Do it in an online game with much stricter rules on language and sexuality then your average street corner, and your ASKING for a mute.

Of course it is. And if he was 99 range and 25 attack and strength, he would find melee grossly underpowered at his combat level. You have to go off the combat level of the skills used, not the total combat level. That's why I fight in the 100 range when testing range tanking.

I think having the players be able to have the option to choose what items are saved on death is the best possible system. There can be an option in the Items Lost on Death screen where you rank your items based on how valuable you conceive them to be. That would be the Utopian model, yes. But I imagine there would be many obstacles to that. There are obstacles -- look at the discussion that compfreak and I had on the last page. The problem is that every time your inventory/equipment changes, there has to be some way to determine what is kept. There are multiple obstacles to overcome and compfreak and I only mentioned a couple of them. Perfect system, yes, but not the best, because there are too many obstacles that must be overcome for it to be viable. If you can overcome all those obstacles, however, you might have a better system. But to the best of my knowledge, these obstacles have no solution that is superior to the current system. The simple fact is that your inventory changes far too often to deal with a set item being the most valuble - with hundreds of 'valuable' items that can change precedence every few minutes, having to remember to manually set your items just doesn't work. If I change outfits for a slayer task, I know I'm going to forget to set my bandos chest and tassets to most valuable some of the time, resulting in me losing them over the other, far cheaper items. The greatly increased risk of high ticket items being lost just doesn't balance against the slightly reduced risk of low ticket items (that would probably be lost even under the new system) being lost. Basically, it boils down to this: There are only three ways to determine the value of an item in RS: High alch, Market price on GE, and Personal Choice. Market price on GE is out, there are too many nontradables like fire cape and damaged barrows items. That leaves us with high alch and personal choice. Personal choice is the only alternative; and it has thus far been proven to be too unwieldy and cumbers-um to deal with a constantly changing inventory. @Zero: Thank you for keeping flaming and insults out of your post. I'm quite impressed by how long this thread has gone without a stuipd, flaming, whiny, immature, or unnecessarily insulting posts (with the possible exception of my response to Hemen, I was somewhat frustrated by lack of reading). We're going on 3 pages now. Good work, TIF. :)

Oh, so you just mean that actually violating the rules (using language, macroing) in things unrelated to RS are bannable? It clears that up, but I wasn't aware that people could brag about glitches without receiving anything other then a mild slap of the hand and post removal. The way I read it was quite simple and easy to follow: Ban for bragging about\posting screenhots\continuing after a mod has removed posted and posted to stop several times, and I was confused as to why it wasn't happening. I guess TIF has no rules for bragging about bug abusing to gain massive amounts of wealth as well as posting screenshots and detailing methods required. IMO it's a perm ban worthy offense (just like it is on RS), but I guess the mods don't see it that way.

Cases of fraud aren't something you actively look for, and it's not something you need a team of 140 people to manage it. Companies like Dell have hundreds of millions of customers, but they don't have tens of thousands of people whos job is to look for credit card fraud :roll: Exactly. So what would happen if they halved CR and doubled development? More whiny noobs would complain about not being able to contact Jagex, and the rest of us would twice as many updates.

I'm afraid I missed where I claimed I was a collage professor, perhaps you could explain that to me? I'm a computer consultant with no particular background in math :roll: I don't venture into OT much, so I rarely read beyond the first page of a thread :)

What on earth are you talking about? Explain how Ancient Magicks can be used for skilling. The damage to cost ratio is far worse then regular spellbook, and the special effects are useless for training, so it's quite obvious its not meant to train. It's completely geared for PVP. It would be wise to try things before bashing -.-

It's the best possible system. Why can't you get that through your head? It's like saying that because bandos doesn't drop a hilt every kill so you can be rich, it's a flawed system. It is the best possible option for deciding lost items! Any other system would be worse. Yeah, I don't like paying my taxes, but it's worth it to have a military and health care system that provides protection -.-

Against rules to post messages from Jagex, but it's fairly obvious the sexual reference was what got you the punishment. Sexual harassment\asking for a GF is a clear violation of the rules.

Exactly. They are idiots with no purpose but to get under your skin. I turn off public chat when clawing, and enjoy the peace and quite afforded without those whiny, immature flamers. Responding to whatever they say with "k" also works.

Again, all of you are pretending infinity is a number which can be compared. Why is everyone ignoring my post and simply forming equations out of infinity after it was proven that it is completely incorrect and impossible? What about this? Infinity plus any number equals infinity. Therefore: Infinity + 7 = Infinity + 38 = Infinity A true statement. Now, if we pretend infinity is a regular number and compare it mathmatically, we can subtract infinity from both sides using the addidion postulate: Infinity - Infinity + 7 = Infinity - Infinity + 38 = Infinity - Infinity And we end up with 7 = 38 = 0 Now, nowhere in math is there an algebraic expression that starts off correct and turns incorrect by treating both sides equally. It's a basic law of math. That leaves us with two choices: #1: Algebra itself is incorrect, and our whole way of looking at numbers collapses #2: Infinity is not a number, and cannot be treated as such. Therefore, ANY equation with infinity in it is completely wrong and proves nothing whatsoever. You decide. If it's #1, we've got a lot more problems then this thread; if it's #2, all the amazing "proofs" on this thread are worthless as they all include infinity. Sorry, but collage professor > teenagers on TIF :-#

Thats some pathetic slow xp lol. Besides, you don't get each task 1/23 of the time. Some task are more common so you have to take account to that. Agreed, some of those tasks are off. That was before the rates were fixed for the low tasks, several monsters like Dust Devils, Dagganothhs, and Fire Giants (generally the top XP earners) were found to be considerably more, and the final rate of 75k was worked out. Also, the rates shown in the upper table are not yet adjusted for slayer mask + prayer, so they are off by 15%. That being said, some tasks being more common was an interesting idea that I had thought about but never really posted on. Does anyone have some data on the frequency of each task? I must confess that I have nothing on it, so a few others in agreement is good enough proof for me. Hard data please, not "well I think blah blah blah tasks seem more common". Disagree strongly. I've seen a 10% difference in rates from 60 minute tests at Armored Zombies, where are generally fairly standard for rates. And for the purposes we need, it has to be within 2-3% at the very most. Note that I said it started on page 15. The rates are finalized around pages 36, at which point you left the thread after agreeing with them. See above. And my point was that very few tasks have low enough offense to utilize them, and brought up the point that attack bonus matters much less at those tasks, making them essentially irrelevant in testing. Glad you finally understood what I was trying to say. See above. Just as it's my fault if you don't understand my posts, it's yours if I can't understand your posts. Neither of us are mentally [developmentally delayed]ed, as far as I can tell, so any lack of clarity in explanations is the fault of the poster, not the reader. I'm slightly curious as to how you manage to add up your (supposedly not made up) rates and get a rate that IS made up. See above. No, it means you completely plucked one quote out of context to avoid my point that yes, you did physically respond to the post, but you responded only by accusing me of not understanding and failed to clarify your post or respond to my points. See how contradictory you are? Out of context quotes are worse then useless -.- Tests are worse then useless if they give incorrect results that skew the poster into thinking. 10 minutes will result in large variances; I've gotten 10% variance on a 1 hour rate, and 10% for these rates would be far too much. See above.

Why ignore my post? your comparing a number to a concept, something that CANNOT be done. Infinity cannot be used in an algebraic equation for reasons mentioned above. Any equation in which you try to include infinity (i.e. .999 infinity = 1) is completely invalid as infinity is not a number and does not follow rules that apply to our number system. Remember, it's not me saying it, it's a collage professor ;) You generally can, but everyone is still ignoring the fact that we AREN'T comparing numbers, we're trying to compare a number with a concept. It's like saying .999 X Shoe = 1. It cannot be done.

Armadyl is the single. I'm really not sure why Jagex set the alch value so low. But I guess I could use the argument of 'who brings a rune chain to arma'? Then again, there's quite a few standard equipment sets that protect over it, but it's usually within the top four. Still, an easily corrected mistake\flaw. But my point is that monster hunting is where it would NOT work; complaints would be increased, item losses would be increased, and the system would have to be staggeringly complex. :lol: It's that way because people come in and out and seize upon out of context quotes. If I've been discussing something with someone for a few pages, I don't have to attach a bunch of footnotes to each sentences (I.e. we both know that what I'm talking about applies to, say, cannoning bloodvields), but someone else can come along, quote it, and say "your an idiot... that doesn't apply to dagganoths in any way". I then waste 8 posts explaining to them the background behind it, and how I was only referring to a specific situation. Basically, it's all tied down with political correctness and dozens of tiny side arguemnts that obscure any real debate progress. Not my favorite, but enough good debates go on in there that I still enjoy it