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Within last 3 years I've only used IE when I've been in a total must to do it, like for example downloading the Firefox installation files. No and I won't use ie :P Screen turns black and the computer boots after roughly a min.

Ok, if we get into this, let's change the sentence a bit: A skill that takes a lot time, constant clicking, got the habit to bore you to death and wastes other resources from your real life. We both know skilling isn't hard in the very meaning of the word, but that on certain things you have to go across higher mental barries (compare, training rc for 12 hours nonstop to training cooking for 12 hours nonstop), do more clicking and waste more time on them. If you got a better word to use, please inform me and I can happily start using another word that can describe the challenges in skilling and still be understood by the majority.

Earning money hasn't been hard since RS2 was introduced, not even before god wars. And anyways, does the scepticalism matter there? They are the easiest buyable capes due the fast xp, virtually zero risk (compare: duying to randoms while cooking vs duying with chinchompas) and almost zero loss with no clicking. In the other words you don't need a lot of money, patience, time or efford in order to get those two skills to 99. Cooking is a great example: I personally made few mils profit and did most of my cooking while being drunk. Was that really as great thing as spending 100m on a skill that requires attention and clicking after that? If you look at the number of people having certain capes, you can get slight idea how easy those skills are to train. If there's few, the skill either costs a lot, requires a lot of efford, takes a lot of time or just came out. If there's many, the skill is either dirty fast, cheap or at least got so much variations that it can be trained without even properly noticing you're doing it. There actually are reasons why construction cape is rarer than the hp cape or why the mining cape is rarer than the cooking cape. Melee shouldn't even be put under the same statlist with the skills you mentioned. Melee skills are definately the easiest non-buyables (hard to actually compare them to cook or fletch on this...), the most common and definately the most helpful too same time. Almost 30k people have managed to get 99hp and with almost 36m hp xp I am not even in top 500 hp. Is that really so hard skill? So in the other words you give more valuable to the ability to read a guide and waste few hours/days (depending which one) with no real risks, efford or patience needed than to wasting hundreds of hours on a skill doing thing x?

So, for a while now I've had weird problems with RS: my whole damn computer crashes randomly every now and then and only when playing the game. I'm currently using win Xp and the normal rs clien downloadable from RS official page. I've tested all the components and ruled out the possibility of a hardware problem. I've ran multiple freeware adaware/spyware/malware/whateverware programs, tested both Norton and Panda antivir programs and I'm relatively sure I'm clean. Any tips what to do, where to look for? I'd avoid format c:\ as I hate reinstalling everything needed :cry:

I said that before, you evil copycat :

Go to earn more as my current wealth level would have dropped a lot.

False. First (and percentually the biggest) massbannings were a lot of earlier. First autoing programs that were somewhat popular became few months after the launching of RS. False. Rune and Bot and Auto and rune existed a lot earlier. Totally false. Agility didn't make your char move any faster at any point during RSC, not even during the first day it was launched. Basically only point for it was increasing your skill total. edit: added the words "and" between the bot names, seeing as both of them have been dead for nearly half a decade now.

The point is are they spending everything they have, the point is that to get your wealth into certain level is hard. What you're saying is that making money takes no time, efford, patience, pretrained skills or anything. For you it seems that money is air that can be created and it has no real value, other than being the currency in transfering our raw materials. At this point I'd like to ask how wealthy YOU are, seeing that you give zero value to the hardness of gaining wealth. A) Gaining the wealth is harder than you're saying. If it wasn't, inflation would have just multiplied the prices and kept the dividation between the rich and the poor or money could be created so easy that time used, efford or pretrained skills didn't bother. I assume you've played this game long enough to understand that gaining for example 50 million gp is harder than getting 99 cooking. Why should I give any respect to 99 cooking (yes, I DO have and have had it for years now) when gaining wealth is harder? B) What does the lottery have to do with RuneScape? Serious money can be gained through only hard work: either you must work hard on a money making skill/method or you need relatively high pretrained stats. If you look God Wars for example: yea it might be quick money but not everyone can go there due the lack of proper team, stats, equipment or knowledge. After that the possibilities are the same for eveyone and actually it is more about patience than luck to get wealthy. You create your own luck with your own actions Why do you respect someone for being too stupid to use better methods of making money? I personally respect those miners, woodcutters and others the same way as I respect people working in McDonald's: I respect the fact that they are working and thus helping the society but I don't respect them when their full career is just doing the most basic stuff you can do. When I look at your stats, it doesn't surprise me that you got roughly 5 million total xp less than I have farming xp. While I'm doing things in an efficent way, you're doing them harder on a purpose than they infact are. And anyways, why on earth should I give any respect to someone who makes things so damn much harder than they really are? I don't give any respect to the guy who lights his cig with a fire made with stones either.

So in the other words you don't see any difference between using 2m and 200m on a skill? I personally see a damn huge difference and I assume tens of thousands of other people do too as there's a huge difference between 99 cooks and 99 smithers. Buyable or not, you still gotta remember that gaining the money to buy the skill actually takes time and efford. You also said about buying the skills because of capes. This is only half way truth: some people actually train skills to have 99 in it, not to have just another cape which you're never going to wear anyways.

Warrior, I wanted to be a strong fighter. Well, not like it really made any real difference anyways lol

So in the other words you're saying that we should make skilling harder and avoid using the rewards of tme and efford we've been going for? With your logic I should probably work my backwindow off first to get money, then to get skills and just keep the money in my bank or invest on some relatively useless items. I've personally gained 11+1 99 skills (11 rs2, one rsc) and will get 3 more within 1 month. Yea I bought my 99 farm, so what? Should I have kept collecting seeds for a year or 2 longer instead of spending 200m+ I had made? Should I have mined and banked every single ore on my way to 99 smithing? Maybe not, I'm satisfied with my 91 mining and wanted to get 99 smithing while staying somewhat sane and definately get it before I turn 45. For me the most important thing on skilling is the combination of time and efford, not only efford. I see no point in fishing shrimps all the way to 99 cooking or fishing just because it's harder than buying sharks to 99 cooking and using shilo to 99 fishing. I personally don't give any more respect to an idiot (yes, in my eyes it's idiotism) to someone who makes things harder than they actually are. If you like wasting time and efford, be my guest. I rather do things in an efficent way, stay sane and actually get them instead of giving up.

That saved 30 hours sounds a bit high estimate imo, that would mean roughly 10-15k more xp per hour. Anyways the point is that we both agree that it's a bit faster and cutting willows for profit isn't just the thing. However in your calculations you don't value efford at all. Cleaning your inv at willows is a lot easier and the only reason I took my 99 (ok, been over 10 weeks 33k away from it) there.

If I was you, I'd stop dreaming about being in top 21 for now. You're so far already from the top and seeing you got only one skill over lvl 90, I assume your training speed is so much slower than the ones who overtrain skills. If you set your final goal to something you won't reach, you will most likely stop it once you notice it's virtually uncreachable. Why not just pick up a skill you like and then train it? By asking the others which skill to train to 99 is like urging to get dirty bored out of a skill. I've personally gotten 11+1 99 levels (11 rs2, 1 rsc) and two are so close that I could get both today if I didn't want to take a triple 99 later. I know what it takes to get a 99 and I can guarantee you that if you don't belong to the really small minority, you ain't just gonna decide you'll max skill X because it has these, those or that advantanges, you're only maxing skills you find funny and worth training.

When I was into wcin, I found willows faster on the longterm training due not having the need to drop them one by one. With dropping and keeping the speed they were a bit faster. I don't believe most of the logs go for this though. Of course ther are few people who are forced to do normal bows and burn them for fm xp due their lower levels, but that's not where majority of the logs go. I personally don't believe that way of transportation takes a big percential amount of all sold normal logs.

1. Easiest log to get and fastest xp/h ratio make it a good choice for those who train woodcutting. This causes a major oversupply of these goods. 2. It has less uses than reasons to get. Managing thy kingdom produces enough maples for those who train firemaking, thus making willows more or less useless for that. For fletching, there are better bows which can be sold or high alched for almost zero loss. This causes a lower demand. 3. Normal logs are harder to cut than willows and they are far slower xp/h. However they aren't worth as much as yews for example due their a bit lesser uses and less expensive ending productions. This means they can be higher in price than willows. Why would anyone with the ability to cut yews for example cut normal logs as yews are faster and more profitable, willows are faster and both are easier to cut due the logic of only getting one log per tree on normals. 4. Normal logs are basically only used to make arrow shafts. Certain fletchers prefer doing it this way instead of buying the shafts and thus increase the demand. Add this to the lower supply and no real competitors and you get the reason for higher price.

Or if you steal an album from the store, you get everything that is included to the sold version! For Free! Seriously, how many times will it be needed to say in the same topic that illegal music downloading isn't the thing we should be discussing here. I'd understand avoiding iTunes for moral reasons due the company behind it, but not for being "too expensive" if we're talking about legal music. IMO that describes this topic well: people trying to find new programs to download copyrighted music.

As we started with the shield, I'll go into the usage of FoG items in pkin. First of all, pretty much all of the top pkin related clans that do f2p either strongly advise their members to get certain items or like RSD, even require them to get them. This kind of items are rune berzerker shield, rune gloves and druidic robes. For non-return multi pkin (read, mostly clan wars), even a small advantage is more than helpful. The ability for one member to do even 10-20 points more damage in one round can easily cost the lost tight fights, yet alone how much the binding robes help in order to avoid your enemy's best tanks to make your clan look like helpless fools. Also in pkin the degration doesn't really bother: with one charge you can go on for months. If we look the FoG rewards from the view of a clan pker, they are great things and definately worth getting. If we now get into the runecrafting gloves you were talking about, you're right that with the charm-xp/h speed they wouldn't be worth getting as the time in fog is higher than the time to craft the extra runes. However they are a good "secondary things" to buy for those players who play FoG in order to gain ranks or have fun. Now we're somewhat done with the rewards, let's now look at FoG as a phenomena for f2p. If we don't count in "immediate wilderness replacements", it's the biggest and probably most played minigame in f2p. Thousands of people have managed to get something (money, fun, xp, helpful items, etc) out of it so it was definately an update that has helped f2p. Yes, probably the best f2p update ever doesn't please EVERYONE, but for an f2p update it pleases a really high number of people and for p2p, it's a typical update that helps some player subcategories.

I was taught by the best on this thing - I was taught by you. 8-)

Last time I checked I used Tip.It at least rarely

only "old skoolers" who post here are mainly only the ones who had an RSC account but were basically nothing there. Basically most of the ones who were something have either retired or gone to RS2 and don't really give a thing about these forums anymore. Btw you should hang at rsd irc more :$

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Exactly my point. I don't see a reason why I would get 100m hp xp if I can get 99 summoning by staying at around 25 and wasting few hundreds of mils.

If you can get 330k/h with sharks, you can get almost 190k/h with lobsters. That means you'd cook a bit under 1.6k fish per hour. With GE mid prices (255/raw 201/cooked) and that speed you'd lose 1.6k*54=86,400 per hour. Doesn't seem too sadistic. It actually would still cost under 6m to get to lvl 99 and take ~69 hours with almost no real work involved. Cooking isn't easy? Heck, I used multiple times more than that 6m to get my last farming level. It's under 6% from what is needed to get 99 construction materials, goes under 5% when you actually take the level.

Don't worry, here's always space (H) 50% bigger territory than in UK and 2m people less than in London itself.

Winter War is the key to success 8-)