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I love the GOP to death - its my favorite minigame, albeit its bugs. I do believe that I was in your shoes about 2 months ago, where I was a semi-decent player, and I'd always join up through the blue wizards. That way, I'd be placed on the team with worse players. From losing so much, I'd gotten to be a decent, even above average player, with more than enough skill on my laptop (without a mouse :wall: :wall: ) to hold my own against other teams. I'd get angry at other players on my team when they did stupid stuff - hugged orbs, attract orbs out of the position I meticulously placed them in, etc. Anyhow, if you've gotten to be a good player, the next step is to identify the players and teams to avoid. Whenever I saw a few players, I'd know - heck, I'd better sit out this round, and wait it out, because there's that clan again. It wasn't until BioIce said Hyt to me, and told me which clan to join did it all turn around. Now I know only to join teams with a purple dot in them, or teams that had no dots. Occasionally we'll come across another stacked team, but the chance now is slim to none. Anyhow, until you figure out which clan to join, or what players to avoid, you'll still have this problem. Gl, -sees.

No - I had no problem with everyone else saying "hugger noob", "stupid noob" or anything along those lines. But I do have a problem with f***less. If you think f***less should be unfiltered, and acceptable, then I can see why you don't want player moderators. From Jagex: From Mod MMG's Q&A So, lets recap the above: -Player Moderators are HAND PICKED, meaning that their reports are accurate. If these players baited others to get their status, as you said, do you think Jagex would pick them? -If jagex had 100 employees just to monitor runescape, they'd pay a huge chunk of money for moderation, instead of the silver crowns they give out now. -When a Player Mod gives a 48 hour mute, it is a BIG DEAL. They don't give them lightly, and Jagex REVIEWS each and EVERY mute given out, to make sure it was accurate. -Jagex believes there need to be MORE PLAYER MODERATORS and not less. I'm sorry, but I do believe I've provided sufficient evidence to indicate the contrary of your believes that player moderators are a problem, and that there need to be less of them. You can disagree with me all you want, but I've got Jagex's CEO with me on this point of view I've got, and you have... yourself.

I'll put you down as a supporter? Since there is a FoG element, and BH's spells is inaccurate to say the least, I think I may be able to work something in.

They could let you have two options - timer and month-by-month. Figure when you buy it monthly, you keep the same cost as it is now. If you buy hourly, it costs $.60 an hour, counted in whole minute increments, for the time you log into a member's server. That way, people can credit their accounts with 10 hours, and not have to worry about when they use it / lose it. I figure this would make more people want to get membership, on more accounts, because they're not wasting months of credit as you put it. And then the people that log in for more than 2 1/2 hours a week would see value in their current memberships, and the casual game can take a break and return to it when they'd like.

If I get compfreak right, its that if it was rechargeable instead of degrading completely, the price of it would increase because it would look more attractive to other people. That way, when it degraded, and you sold it back, you would have spent the same amount on it either way (the price as it is currently would be the difference between the charged and degraded version).

I think jagex should make a few PvP worlds lootshare - to bring back the spirit of the old wilderness, where, walking in, you know you'll be teamed by at least 20 people in a death dot somewhere, and your mouse was always hovering over the teleport to varrock spell.

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I changed the Reggie section to be 400 FoG tokens, or 3k rating. Figures that people that play FoG a lot shouldn't have to get more tokens just to get this spellbook. I also made a new signature : If you'd like to use it, here's what you need: [url=http://forum.tip.it/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=784491][img=http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d120/eyeseesall/SUPER.gif][/url] Enjoy, I know I will!

This is what I wrote the first time. This is what I wrote the second time. I didn't think I would have to spell it out like that, or clarify that amount, but I guess I did have to. I don't believe the stories are any different - they don't appear to contradict each other in any way either. (If another third party would like to tell me if both stories say the same thing - I'd appreciate it.) Anyhow, rule #1 is Offensive Language. From Jagex - (I left out "Why do we have this rule", "Is it okay to ask for a boyfriend/girlfriend" and "Is noob offensive" because it doesn't really apply to the point I'm trying to make.) Here's the thing - if you go to a crowded world, at the G.E., often times you will find many people breaking these rules, especially spamming/flooding, or using an autotalker. This is against the rules, and it still happens quite frequently. A player moderator is able to mute these individuals right then and there, normal players can only report and *hope* jagex disciplines them in the future so it will stop. That is one function of a player moderator that is still very real. As far as I'm concerned, player mods are few and too far between to stop this. I've only had contact with a dozen or so moderators over the past year, and most of the time they were in popular clan chats, such as forsakenmage, uloveme, and BioIce's cc for GOP. I know that those dozen moderators aren't ALL pmods in runescape, but I'd have to imagine that out of the 100 million accounts that have been created, less than .001% are pmods (that's about 10k). That's to say that, at any given time, maybe about 500 moderators are signed in. I think, to fix the problem you've stated, instead of there being less moderators, there should be more moderators. Why would this fix the problem? There wouldn't be the mindset of "High and Mighty." It would no longer be a select few. There should also be three levels of moderation, and with each level, more privileges be given. That way, about 1 in every 100 accounts could be a low level mod - with the ability to give priority reports, and 1 hour mutes. Getting a 1 hour mute from a low level mod isn't such a big deal, and it'll be easy to find those people that abuse their powers; those that do what you've described, be all high and mighty, and not abide by the conduct a moderator should be. Then, when a low level mod has shown that they can be trustworthy, and really a decent player moderator (for at least a year), they'll be bumped up to the next level. About 5% of all moderators are at this level, or 1 in 20 moderators. They would have the ability to give priority reports, up to 24 hour mutes. Some mods in this category may have all that power go to their head, but if they're ever caught abusing their power, they'd have their modship stripped from their account. These types of mods would be fewer and further between, but it still wouldn't be a big deal to be this type of mod. The third type, the high level moderator, would be hand picked by Jagex from those that have been the second level type for 1 year or more. These high level mods would have the ability to give up to 1 week mutes, and up to 1 blackmark at a time. Understanding that this is a big responsibility, this type of moderator would be banned for abusing their powers. There would be nothing to distinguish this type of mod from the 2nd tier - any mod at the 2nd tier wouldn't threaten other players. With this system, I don't think you'll get people abusing their powers like you've experienced, and being a low level moderator wouldn't be such a big deal - not much status. 2nd tier mods would have a bit more "status" - but they'd be monitored close enough not to abuse their powers. Mods wouldn't be such a foreign player to everyone, and they wouldn't be idolized.

I've modified the quest so that instead of ranking, it requires tokens. 50 tokens - on my main account, it takes about 5 wins for me to obtain 50 FoG tokens, and on my other account sqelt, it takes me about 8-9 wins to obtain 50 FoG tokens. I'm not sure if that's because sqelt only uses magic, or if they give more tokens to higher levels. In any event, 50 FoG tokens is much easier than 3k rating, but it still requires you to play the FoG minigame, and it keeps it difficult for someone to have a pure mage in f2p, and still obtain the book. Now - if anyone can help me think of the stats for the new robes/staffs/capes the Wise Old Man sells, that would be greatly appreciated. These items need to provide a positive melee and mage defense, a small range defense, a negative melee and range attack, and a positive mage attack. For the members robes, they should have some sort of special ability that makes it worth their while - maybe a robe set makes it so the 2nd type of rune isn't required? Thanks for the feedback, keep it up!

Do you not like the spellbook or the quest? The primary thing here is the spellbook, the quest was a mere suggestion how to get it. It definitely does not HAVE to be the ONE way to get the spellbook, which is why I'm only taking supporters for the spellbook and not the quest. Yes, it might be 2 iron bars from 1 ore, but its level 68, and takes 3 nature runes and 3 cosmics. As far as value goes, that's not worth it to cast on iron bars. The only time I could see someone using that is for adamant or rune bars. Also, the 5 items you could bank were coins, bones, food, or potions. So, if you're at green dragons, and you don't want prayer experience, cast remote deposit on your bones so you can keep gathering them, and sell them later. Since you don't like the quest, I'm open to suggestions on how to fix it. The reason I had someone lose their explorer's ring is because it takes you to draynor pretty quickly, and a big part of this quest is walking. If your only beef is with the FoG ranking, perhaps I could make it 200 FoG tokens or some other thing?

I would appreciate it if the bankers would let you unset your items when you collected them - seems to me that letting bankers do that wouldn't take away much functionality from the GE, after all, its just taking items out of a box :P

I've modified the quest so that it requires at least a total level of about 850, 50 of which is magic, and recommended 50 from hp. I've also modified what Melzar does at the end of the maze, instead of using the normal spellbook against you, he uses spells from the new one. I think this will make it extremely difficult to beat for a F2Per.

I don't think you understood what I was saying. Let me lay it out so you can understand. -I was playing the minigame The Great Orb Project. It is a team game, so when a player doesn't know what they're doing, it hurts the rest of the team. -There was a particular individual who was not able to heed the advice of his teammates - for instance, he would hold onto an orb until it stopped moving, then continued to hang on to it. -I dislike these types of players, the clan I'm in calls them "Idiot fruitcake huggers". Anyhow, I was annoyed at this individual, but I never called him an Idiot fruitcake hugger. -The rest of my team was starting to get annoyed with this individual, so they started to tell him to get off the orb, and play defense on the other team. -The individual, just stood there hugging the orb. -Another person on my team told this individual that he was f***less. The censor did not star out what it should have done. I reported that individual. There was no mod there, so the guy was still able to cuss out the "Idiot fruitcake hugger". I doubt Jagex has yet taken action against the guy who cussed out the hugger. If there was a mod there, not only would the guy have been muted on the spot, but he would probably receive a permanent mute. That would have been an appropriate use of a player moderator. How does this relate to a debate? You're still attacking me, not the point I made. It makes me think that you don't know how to debate, or you've got nothing left to say. I'm not telling you to stop quoting me, I'm telling you to stop quoting individual sentences in some point. You're taking what I say out of context, and when you break a point of 4-5 sentences up into individual quotes and talk about each one, it means either missed the entire point, or you can't disagree with the entire point, so you'll just have to settle with disagreeing with sentences in the point. A silver crown is needed for this? You've missed the point on most of the posts here so you can't accurately read very well. I never said a silver crown was needed for it - But I have said there needs to be an easy way to know if the player is a moderator or not. The title of your thread is PMods - Purpose or Status? - I'm maintaining that player moderators serve a purpose, even if they "snitch" on others to get that status.

ever been in a chat with more than 50 people? Its hard to chat with everyone chatting at once. And as far as moderation goes, there's not enough mods to go around as it is. I'm not saying it isn't a bad idea, but moderation and booting spammers may be tough. What if, you had a "vote for boot" option, and to get someone booted from the chat. Limits for booting would be a minimum of 4 people, a scale of 10%, up to 10 people. So, if there's a chat of 100 people, and there's someone spamming @@@@@, and 10 people vote to boot the individual, they're kicked out. And if there's a chat of 6 people, and someone spams @@@@, 4 people must vote to boot the individual. Figure once someone is booted, jagex will get a report for offensive language.

you can add me to the supporters of this idea. I think you'd do well to make a chart of all the new things you can do under this new crafting subsection, called sewing? Ideas would be materials required, experience gained, etc., and whether its F2P or P2P.

@jrhairychest - you still haven't responded to my previous post, I'm wondering if you missed it, or if you can't seem to come up with any good arguments against it. Removal of the crown, or of ALL symbols of modship would create more problems than it would solve. Yes, there are still people that try to pass themselves off as mods to scam another player out of an item. But it is incredibly difficult for them to do so, to dupe another player. Why? Its very easy for anyone to know - hey look, he doesn't have a crown by his name, there's no way he could be a mod. And any player that has wandered into the Stronghold of Security will know that no crown = no mod. Or they've only played for a few hours? Enough to know what a moderator is, but not what to look for, or they don't know what a moderator is, but if someone's telling them - hey look it, I'm a mod, so you better do as I say or I'll give you the mute. In any case, these players that get scammed are the ones hurt the most - it may only be 5k to us, but to them, that's 5000 gold pieces they just lost! If there is no crown, or symbol of a moderator, it would be near impossible for a player passing by to see the scam, and stop it. They wouldn't know if the person was being a jerk and telling the truth, or if the person was scamming.

Can I put you down as a supporter of the spellbook then?

That sort of defeats the purpose of calling it the "Grand" Exchange. but, meh, if you can collect items in banks, I don't see why you can't put up offers.

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I thought the requirements were pretty tough, things needed for F2Pers: -Almost all quests are required to be complete for both F2P and P2P: -50 runecrafting (a very difficult requirement in itself) -4000 GOP tokens (worth about 44x4000=176k or 150x4000=660k) -3000 FoG rating (that's at least 100 games played, and won) -Explorer's ring 3 -Dragon Slayer completed Aside from that, I do like your idea of minimum total level, but how to implement that into the quest may be difficult... what if Melzar's spell decreases ALL of your levels, starting with attack, then strength, then prayer, ... with magic and hitpoints being last, until 600 levels have been taken away? That way, if you have 50 HP, 50 Mage, but only 680 total levels, your magic would then become 30... making it near impossible to do the maze? Let me know what you think.

I wasn't explicitly talking about your spellbook, there are about 3-4 of these things in the suggestions forum. But yes, now that you mention it, I do think your spellbook is [cabbage]. Here's the thing though - when pking, how many meleers use Stun, Enfeeble, or Vulnerability? Not many? Oh, I see. How about, how many mages in P2P use wave spells when pking? Not many? Oh, hmm. Sure, recharging can help melee. Just like Entangle, or Teleblock can help melee. But I'll bet a melee will find that prayer potions are more useful, because they take less space, less time. And as far as shielding goes, there's a high chance that would fail for anyone who doesn't have a mage bonus. And since rangers and melees have negative mage bonuses, the probability it would go through is almost none. The quest wasn't designed to be impossible, either. Any high leveled person shouldn't have trouble doing quests. The quests requirements make it so some F2Per can't create a secondary account and use it strictly for PKing. With 50 runecrafting, 40 defense, and 30 crafting, and virtually ALL the F2P quests requiring to be done, most F2P pure PK magic accounts won't be able to use it. So quit flaming because your idea hasn't received any good feedback - put more effort into it.

Thanks for your support - I already had a quest idea in mind, so I've posted that. I really liked the idea of collecting pages, I did think of that. I also like the idea of having to have played GOP, and have 50 rc level to obtain it. -I'll credit you with those ideas.

I'm all f2p - but I just got the pillory random. Are they all f2p now?

If you're going to make a comment, at least make an intelligent one. In this spellbook: 6 teleport spells 12 "skill/other" spells 28 combat spells. So, no. Not even close to "most spells" that help other skills. There might be only 4 pulse spells, but that doesn't mean the others aren't combat spells.