Central_Keeper

The skillers were made to feast on the prize of pkers, and the pkers were made to eat the product of their skiller brothers. Isn't that why when wildy got killed off and alot of prices were affected? And its more of style of playing, there is nothing wrong with how they do things as long they dont break any rules

Just make sure the monster you choose to kill spawn quickly too, or abudance of them, otherwise, you are going to wait too long just for them to respawn.

Well, unfortunately, thing can get quite stereotypical quickly when majority of them appears to be Chinese in origin. It is also true they could be from somewhere else other than China and still use chinese names. In any case, just against anyone who gold farms and real world trading in general. As for those defense where thats how gold farmers feed their families or have a life, there are better ways to make a living than disrupting another place even its only virtual. Of course, this has to do with that person's goal and surround environment, like their local government policies and employment rate (now thats another story) Otherwise it would be something that look like for all the Gold Farmers out there, Sample Resume Name: XXX Employment Highlight: Once Gold farm in RS up to 100mil per month, and never get caught. Past Volunteering Experience: Work in a game sweatshop for free for 1 whole week..... Past Job Experience: RWT and Gold farms in RS, Wow and other online games Salary expectation: 100 to 200 US dollars per month.... PS: Above statement is suppose to be a joke, dont take it seriously, and really, trying to make a wrong thing sounds right, still sounds wrong in the end no matter how much you bend it. (lets leave that to lawyers)

Saw a few of them before, some even admit to being a girl character just to get free stuff from boyfriends. Its like a common trend on online gaming, its like bunch of desparate males trying to woo one single female, not all act that way, but most does. Seen that happen on few online shooting games too, one girl logs in, first everyone is ok and silent because no one know she is a girl, boom, once in game team speak activity and she said something, text msg and in game voice chat start to flying all over the place (hey at least you know the other person is a girl, lol) I still remember getting my cousin to try RS for fun, so she makes a girl character with a feminie name, within few moment that she get off tutorial island and start training near Lumby, tons of guys start asking her to be their girlfriend, and tons of trades request to give her free stuff. Better treatment? definitely, Sick? nah, just your good old nature kicking in.......(of course when they start spewing offensive or adult type stuff, then yes, sick and perverted.)

Now that Rev thing is really a good idea, stretch your screen far so you can see them before they hit you, but most of the time, I can hear them firing off spells or ice darts before I see them........... which usually means time to jet.........

Anything that does Do-x actually make training that skill easier. The reason behind that is during the time you chararcter is doing something (usually takes 30 second or longer) you are able to do something else while you wait, so no more paying full attention to your monitor, you can just probably read something or watch tv at same time. A good example is cooking, back then, you used to click and cook on fire, and repeat. (thats why when someone stand on the fire, u started to have insult flying all over the place. And back then, cooking was consider harder because you have to click so much, only people that dont mind grinding for hours on end that get lvl 99 cook.) The difference is now when the person cooks, they just cook all and then sit back and relax, dedicated their time to someone or something else. (Thus time flies without feeling that aching wrist or frustrating chat with people) Notice how many cook 99 now compare to before (I am sure it applies to smith, and fletch too)? Have anyone try to firemake and chat at same time? its near impossible to achieve good xp per hour if you have people interrupt you for hours (not they are rude, just make it hard to train overall) thats why some people just turn chat off. So, when you make a clicking skill like prayer or firemaking do the x option, its makes the skill easier, and it will end up like cooking, and no one respect it because its easier to train, but in the end, its all just xp, there is always argument popping up saying the old style is harder, or new style is easier, either way, thats what it shows on the highscore, no one will care if you click your way to lvl 99 or click x way to lvl 99. Being said, it will be funny if they make something like burn x for firemaking. As for prayer, unless they make bury x, we really dont have to worry about anything....... PS: I am a F2P, even with bury x in place, burying 2.2mil normal bones or 650k big bones is no small feat, I will probably get carpel tunnel doing that, I already almost hurt my wrist getting that firemaking to lvl 99 with willow..........

Well, since this is more for member oriented combat/cash, not sure if F2P would count. Believe it or not, fighting hobgolins are actually quite profitable, several reasons below They drop limp root, those are like 800ea plus, plus, bank is semi close if you do it a Edgeville dungeon Not alot of people train with them, so you kind of have them all to yourself (which means the craft guild hobbies are always empty of players, and just use the cabbage teleport to Draynor) They dont hit alot, so you can stick around with only little amount of food, save rest of space for limproot, or uncut gems. Otherwise, I usually go for giants, because of their big bones for prayer (I just bury them to train prayer, if you bank the bones and sell later, they are not that great compare to other others items to bank, like those seeds in member) As an example of ice giants training in F2P ice cave, one trip usually earn me about 30k cash (alc from mith sq and black kites, 30 to 50 nat and addy arrows, 100 to 200 of mind or body, few cosmic and few uncut gems (they worth 500 to 3k each depend on what u get), so a good 50k per trip is possible net worth. Cockroach soliders are always good since they drop rune scimi and rune sq, and they drop tons of mith ores in note form and drop insanely amount of laws compare to other monster. Basically, go for monster no one goes for, closer to bank, and high hp, but low def, and easy to kill, and drop fairely good stuff. Good for combat xp and money

After reading Jake's ending RS blog, I wonder how many F2Ps do the same too. Decide to retire after so long and move on to other things in life. I also took some break from RS too during my RS careers (find some other games to play or other thing in life like work). But I always log on and at least do holiday events. Sometimes I do lose the interest in RS after training too much. For some reason, after I graduate from university and start working, it makes me appreciate RS more. (good stress reliever) Even I dont play much anymore, I am still working toward my goal of f2p all skill 99, one bit at a time. Though I dont train as fast as I compared to before. but I dont burn out anymore. I never consider any high lvls ever truly quit RS, because of their past achievements, at least I thought they might come back someday and just enjoy what they used to do. (Thats why I just refer to them as taking a long vacation, lol) Thats probably why I actually stay F2P and keep on training, as a momento of other retired F2P I met back when I was a younger player But again, I also respect and understand their decision of retired from RS after so long, so to all the retired F2Ps, good luck in real life.

Aww man, I didn't even know Jake quit, since I saw him post on top 200 f2p thread all the time. Its sad to see another familiar face quit RS, but I respect his decision and also wish him good luck in real life. Still good to see you around the top 200 thread all the time, and thanks for updating it while Aura is away

Actually, I agree with the authors response because I can understand Chinese too, and the fact that I see more combat pures in kara island fishing for lobs, its enough to make me suspect something. Since I am also F2P and its not the first time that I seen characters with chinese names walking around not talking and just training, there is high probability that they are coming back due to current or maybe future update. At least from F2P point of view, its bad enough to compete for raw materials with autoers, and other resources, to the point that common items like coal and yew logs and raw lobs were selling so low, I dont even think it worth the effort to gather it in the first place. Yew log, now 443, before 223 when autoing was really bad, this might be good for fletcher but bad for skillers. This was the problem when autoers came. They show up, killed of real honest skillers, and then make everyone depend on them, when they got killed off by anti RWT update, there no real nor autoers to supply the raw materials, then those fletchers start to complain, lol. As for training, how many people went to yew places like Fally or Rimmington for example, where there is like at least 15 autoers per tree? Its like half of the population is occupied by autoers. Even though I come from an Asian country, but I really dislike them for making a bad reputation on RS world, not for the point that being racist (how do you be racist again your own race) it simply that they desrupt everyone's gaming experience and brought Chinese people's rep to a whole low lvl. I never pked, and I never merchanted, but I also play through the era where pkers roamed and merchanters scream at top market places, I totally have no problem with that (in fact, it makes the game more lively that way and I missed the good old scene) all of that vanished when autoers came. I am for one, against RWT 100 percent, but if it means cutting off one part to save the whole body, its a sacrafice (SP) we might have to take. Hopefully, Jagex will come up better solution in the future, and we can only do our part by report possible autoers (I already saw some low lvl advertising websites at GE for awhile now)

Going to miss those guys who are off from the list. But just goes to show, its a never ending races, you either keep on playing, or out of the race. (After you get the total lvls, then its the xp race, lol) Just wondering, where do the most high lvl F2P goes now, besides the world 16 air assist place. I used to train at Ice Cave, and saw tons of high lvl F2P there. PS: Congrat to new high lvl f2p who make it to the list

The only new F2P quest, is the new lumbridge achievement diary if you haven't done so. The reward is a unique ring that let you do inifinte teleport to a cabbage patch. Alright, its not really a new quest, but it sure is a fine addition to F2P list to do, and the reward is very useful in its own regard. F2P got tons of major updates recently, I don't think Jagex will release any new quest update anytime soon, mostly just major updates regard to graphic, and new wildy pvp worlds yet to come. Other than that, if you are bored of grinding, you can always go around and do random stuff once in awhile. I often take a break doing same skill by walking around doing mis stuff like making pizza or hang around my old training grounds (certainly attracts people in that regard), or try out Fist of Guthix, duel arena, clan wars on a busy F2P servers. Some members I know even come to F2P servers for easy tokens just because member FOG is harder. The new RC guild is always nice if you got the required RC lvls.

Bump for the thread, welcome and congrat to those new f2pers making the list!!!!

A good point already stated by Lordjake, whether or not if you are member or non member, if you spend alot of time playing this game, you are indeed wasting your time in the end. Having a high lvl stat RS doesn't mean anything much in real life. Its all about if you are happy about the time you spend on RS or not. I oftern talk to my other RS friends and joke no matter how much we train, its all still waste of time in the end, therefore, whether or not if you want the skill to be recognize or not becomes irrelevant. We are doing this out of our enjoyment, and to break this enjoyment down into 2 side arguement is kind of pointless (however, it still fun to debate from it time to time, I am sure alot of people post on this topic want their response to be read and somewhat acknowledged, negatively or positiviely) As already stated by so many others before me, its really blurred and all comes down to personal preference. From my point of view, spending 8 hours in F2p or P2p world means a difference in xp earn, maybe you can get more lvls in p2p, and f2p, it wont really matter in the end. Most of people respect that title simply because it is harder to train in F2p (to some degree, though you can simply world hop to a server with less people and get faster xp) On average, you can get about 30k to 40k per hour for melee stat while training with ice giants, thats about 300k every ten hours in F2p. I am sure its the same for P2p, you just train with better monsters, drop more stuff, and better equipment and food, more xp in the end, but we all play same amount of time. Once you do something repetitivly for long period of time, F2p or P2p wise, its just grinding, so what if you grind less than me by being a member? we still both grinds, I sometimes joke with my friends that we should call ourselves sir or miss clickalot. You can make the time efficient by training more smartly, but you still click alot and use alot of time. (So I make my time most of it by reading and doing homework while I train). I remember a while back a friend ask me why I didn't invest in a rare when I have enough cash to buy one, and I simply respond "my own stats are my one of kind rare", because I know I spend time getting it there. I do admit there is some sense of pride that I am pure F2p, but over the years I grow to see things from a bigger picture. I just go on to RS, trains, talk with friends, do the things I keep on doing to get to lvl 99, nothing has change much, it will just take me longer thats all. I am happy with the stat I achieved in few years time and get some praise for it, I will definitely keep going even I do have a job now (play less of course). There is really no right or wrong arugement, it's just how people can put it negatively or positively from both sides. If you enjoy the game, thats all that matters, and if being F2P makes you happy or being a P2p makes you happy, then you should stick to it. On a side note, this is what I sort of think in the world of RS when it comes to recognition, if you really care about spending so much time on the game. Be a p2p, go for lvl 99 all on all the skills, and get 200mil xp in all the skills (very very very impressive) Be a F2p, go for lvl 99 all on all the non member skills (very very impressive) Be a F2p, go for lvl 99 all non member skills and 200mil xp in all the skills (if you actually get that, truely crazy impressive, and this is a joke by the way), I will do that if I ever win lottery and set for life, lol, just kidding.

Believe it or not, just sell normal bones to grand exchange They are like 85 to 95 ea There is a house near edgeville bank, and inside full of lvl 3 men, just kill them (usually koed in one hit) collect their bone, and bank, no food, no hassle, very quick and good cash if it get too busy, hop servers another way, kill hobgoblins, they drop limproot, they worth like 700 ea (not sure about this part) basically, kill monsters that no one kills, and pick up stuff people think its useless, just research abit, its not hard to earn cash with more cash, but better weapons, and train on harder monsters later on Cockroach soliders drop alot of good stuff, runes, rune items, so are ice giants, just make sure you watch your health when you train with them

This is my response to this topic, and again, its quite lengthy because I am trying to answer all the previous posts on this topic, so please make sure you read everything in people's response, not just the one that jump out at you. This is purely personal opinion, does NOT represent what other people think. It's true that the intent of this topic is not to aim at the 5% of the F2P population who is, as many people defined "mature", but its still a generalized "gray" line, and its hard not to cross over the line when you discuss this kind of things. For starters, you should view the tip it news archives of January 13, 2006, to see why some F2p choose to stay the way they are. (which also wrote by Forsakenmage) I am a F2P myself, but I never go around and boast say that I am proud I am f2p. In fact, most of the time I got asked by people, and the convo goes like this Player 1: wow, lvl 124 (notice they didn't even say my name) Me: Hi Player 1: where is your skill cape Me: its member only Player 1: why dont you get one then? Me: Because I am non member Player 1: Ever been one? Me: no After that, the response usually goes like this....either "wow, thats awesome" or "wow, high lvl f2p" or "go get member, its more fun" or "go become member, you will pwn" or "lol, you can't even afford 5 bucks a month" or "wow, no lifer" something similar If they stick around and ask abit more, I usually explain why I dont get members and etc (and if I get a nickel when that happens, I can actually save alot of money) First reason, which someone mentioned, its simple, most of the training method is one way, and less complicated 2nd, its more relaxing, I know my personality, if I get members, I will want to get my time worth, and play alot, if I stay F2p, I might not log on for a while, but knowing that nothing will get charged on my credit card without using it (its like a gym membership which you never go, lol) 3rd, I like training my character is the fact I earn some lvl 99s in F2P, and to me, that was my original goal when I start the game, to be lvl 99 all F2P. When I start the game back few years ago, I always see alot of P2p high lvls walking around but rarely see any high lvl f2p walking around, so I thought of it as a challenge. 4th TIME, this is probably the biggest reason of all. If I add up all the hours I spend in F2p, and translate that to member time, I could in fact get alot of skills 99 already. So no point of me training so far in F2P, and go to member and become a "norm", Last time I check, alot of skills are easier to train in P2P. (This is not to say that lvl 99 skills in member are junk, in fact, there are more skills to train, so that balance it out, and some member skills I heard are hard) To be honest, skills in F2p are not that hard to train anymore due to the many new updates, but true to be told, I rarely see any F2p ask for more new update except that more bank space, which I think its more than adequate already (unless you collect tinderboxes...and other things). I also made similar topic, and result is the same, P2p flames F2p, F2p flames p2p, to no end. The one reason I like RS because it has a free component in the first place, and the free content they offer is pretty big already, I am already thankful for that part. So, in most sense, I am enjoying what Jagex offer, not leeching, if I dont play, its still there open for someone else, and that someone else might become member, or might not become member. I read and endure the ads that shows on top while I play, so I am fulling my end of bargain by not doing anything weird to it to keep the F2p servers going. In the end, I just want to enjoy the game the way I like it, and out of my RS career I haven't really seen anyone actively goes around and say: "look at me, I got this and this lvl 99 or high combat in F2P", its always people ask because they got recongized in someways (mostly combat lvls), and series of asking, begging, awes, and taunts ensues. Money to some is a problem, but not a problem in my case, I recently finish University too, but I was fortunate enough to have a job so get some cash to pay for everything. Even that,I didn't get member is because the same reason I started with, lvl 99 all F2p. You can say its a pride, but I am not going around broadcasting my pride, to me, some other people who recognize it will kind of "resonate" with me, because they can understand what kind of achievement that is. I dont really mind if it doesn't get recongize, alot of time I simply get a praise from strangers, and they walk off to do their own things afterward. I often talk to my member friends and their adventures, which is equally interesting as mine (if not more). They respect my achievements, I respect theirs, and we constantly check up on each other to pass our RS time. In the end, its an achievement to some people, but to some others it is also a path they choose, thats why we have top 200 f2p, those who choose to stay non member, I think of it as another league in Runescape, but I am not dissing any P2p achievement. After all, this game is all about time, the more time you spend on it, the more xp and lvls you will get, its all up to if you enjoy it or not, or simply grind in the sake of possibiliy getting a praise to walk around and boast.

Looks like fullscreen is open to F2p too later on, yay, but I wonder how they are going put the advert in the game, hopefully, that wont take too much screen space when it's launched. Also try the preview on my computer, seems to run fine when I run the preview and changing the specs on the thing, can't wait to try out the real things when beta is over. Another good treat coming from Jagex to all the F2pers PS: This is going to put some serious dent on my training time since I will be up and about exploring instead of training, but ah well, lol

At the rate that everyone is training, I am not surprised if the average total level to get in is 1350 or even 1400. Though its feels abit down to see some high F2p went member or quit, kind of miss some old names up there on the list.

I think an easier tip can be say that if you have a P4 CPU, with enough ram like 512 to 1gb, all you really need to do is upgrade the video card, any card thats labels Radeon or Geforce will be fine. Even upgrade your computer such as video card or RAM would definitely help in non RS aspect as well. Basically, system thats 4 years or older, 140 bucks should allow you to get a Radeon X1650 pro video card with 1gb memory upgrade that runs for Xp systems Systems with Vista should be fine, but the Ram should be 2 Gig at least, and follow the same rule for Video card (I would probably go for one thats close to 200 bucks on this one, so it last longer in terms of future gaming requirement)

Aww, another top F2P gone, anyways, have fun in members, and make sure you visit your old F2P homeworld sometimes.

Actually, compfreak pointed out that there are computers that worth 10k with even crazier spec on it, but the idea behind either the 4k or 10k computer is that you can really go hardcore on all the hardware if you get the cash. What I simply did with that configuration is go to one of the local computer web site, and pick most expensive gaming system they offer, plus turn up all the optional upgrade you can do to it. Somone mention that you can simply buy something that just below the "Top Speed" components such as video card and CPU, thats what I probably will recommend as well. Since there is no point to spend all the cash on computer, and knowing it will be obselet in a few years again, we are all simply upgrading the computer for the sake of gaming. I know that most of the motherboard nowadays have good build in sound card, some motherboard company even work with Creative to design some creative brand on board sound, again, its just my personal preference to have a discrete sound card rather than onboard. I bought my computer back in 2002, and I did a major upgrade to it in 2005 again (add in a new CPU, upgrade the ram from 256 to 512, to 1gig, video card, dvd burner, new hard drive, power supply, TV/Fm Card and some onboard fans), all for the sake so I can play few newer game title back then like Doom 3, Thief deadly shadows, and F.E.A.R. The funny part was that my motherboard only goes up to 4x AGP, and I bought a 9800pro 128 mb 4x/8x, so I can't even utitlize the full potentials of my video card. Even after all the hardware upgrade, I go as far as upgrade my CPU fan, video card fan, and motherboard fan for better heat dissapation, bought a new power supply to support all new stuff on it. For the most part, I am happy with it since I can play most of the game titles now and the graphics on existing games like Need for Speed, Halo, Counter strike look way better than before, and its totally enough for school and work productivity portion. So the system is more of a multimedia/gaming/work center. The main goal is to buy a moderate computer, and a system you like and pick out yourself, and keep the software part as smooth as possible. (I avoid download weird softwars that might mess up the computer ), I even add in a TV/Fm card so I can watch TV, and listen to radio when I work on my computer (also record them if I want). Hopefully all that works out and you can keep using the computer for years go come.

SOLUTION The upgrade should focus on the desktop since Laptop are hard to upgrade due to their video card and CPU is pretty much fixed Looking at your desktop configuration, your motherboard should be able to support AGP type video card (either 4x or 8x) I was going to recommend Radeon 9600Xt 128mb, but it seems that model have been discontinued, so try this one out Sapphire ATI Radeon X1650PRO 512MB AGP8x (about 75 bucks Canadian) again, you should always take your computer in to a computer shop, and bring the motherboard manual with you so the store clerk can help you decide the right video card Another thing you can probably upgrade is your RAM, its just me, but I probably will upgrade it to 1Gig configuration since I dont like to run games at borderline requirement, I found Xp system run best with 1gig of ram anyways. Once you upgrade your video card, you should be able to turn up your screen resolution for better graphic viewing

Even though the requirement stated by Jagex meet most of the computer specs nowaday, we probably would recieve some sort of graphic patch update to fix out any potential bugs that might happen. Then again, clean out your computer junk programs would definiately help alot if you want a good full screen RS experience. In response to compfreaks comment, I am just putting up the highest specs I know from last year, and if they do offer quad PCI express support on some motherboard now, well, thats just really crazy stuff, lol, then yeah, the computer price pushing over 10k is possible. I heard that Crysis requirement is steep, but I did see some video of Crysis demo running with 8800 level nvidia card pretty smoothly, of course, maybe they didn't set on the highest setting, but again if the current max set up can't even pump up 10 fps, then I guess the game just insanely hardware hogger Maybe some computers offer by Alienware could meet some of the steep requirement? Again, if other games ever get to Crysis level or beyond, then the number of upgrades we did to our PC is probably limitless (which is probably true). For now, I am glad my PC can run RS with little lagging, and all other FPS titles and games smoothly, and probably buy another computer 5 years down the road to handle any heavy duty games. PS: My computer is like 7 years old, and before I upgrade (CPU, Ram, and video card) it acutally able to run the current RS requirement, lol. Even the upgrade happen 3 years ago, I still able to run most of the game no problem (but barely meet the requirement) Was 1.6 GHz P4, now 2.6 P4 Was 256 ram, now 1 gig was geforce 430 64mb ram, now radeon pro 9800 128mb so again, before buying a computer, research it first, so avoid spending bigs bucks on wrong part

Actually, in response to compfreaks post to my previous response, I did mention that video card part is MORE important than RAM or CPU, maybe my wording just odd (assume if both latter ones meet the requirements) Basically, any of you guys looking into a moderate to good gaming computer PC or laptop Look into CPU, RAM, Video card, and Motherboard. Sorry if this is too technical, but when you buy a new computer, motherboard decide most of the stuff if you plan to do upgrades. This is what my friend did when he bought his new PC, good motherboard, good power supply, good media writer, and 2gig of ram (CD, dvds, blue ray if you got the cash), rest of them just mediocre. Why, you wait, wait till the price drop in a few months to one year, then top CPU become medium CPU, top video card become medium video card, ram becomes cheaper, and sound card (if you are picky on that part). When you upgrade all those parts, I am pretty sure you can play all the current games offer on the market. So your initial investment might be smaller, and spend another 500 to do some major upgrades, and before you know it, u got one elite gaming machine. PC is easier to upgrade, whether as laptop is pretty much fixed, so decide on a good lappy is important when you buy the whole package. Again, follow the most guideline above, but I tend to look for CPU, ram, and video card as main component (thats why I never choose laptop with a Intel X3100, just Nvidia or ATI, not express or go, but 8400, 8600, and 8700 for nvidia) A crazy and dream plus perfect example would be something like this....(though I doubt not alot of people will try this) 24 inch LCD screen Quad Core CPU 3ghz or higher (4 CPU build into one, or in Intel case, 2 duo core glue into 1) 4Gig to 8 Gig memory SLi mode for Nvidia, and crossfire for ATI (basically 2 8800 GTX level video card working at the same time with build in ram 512 to 1g) Exreme sound offer by Creative Sound blaster Blue ray writer 1TB of hard drive (1000gb) a seperate physic engine card plus tv tuner/fm card and whole tons of other crazy expensive items you can think of (liquid cooling, ilumination lights, extra set of fans to cool things) should come out about 3k to 4k per computer basically, look around the computer shops and ads before you decide to buy a new gaming computer (and to be honest, all those computer upgrades are just for games, and heavy video/graphic program utilities, for office and home entertainment use, just way too much)

I think the easiest way is just try it when the new option comes out and see what happens. I run alot of games on borderline before, even the ones that dont match, but still good on some part, but it does need alot of tweaking to get to that point I know the old intel graphic card is not enough for the requirement, but some new ones does, but those need to be at least bought within 2007 or late 2006 I guess.