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Lol bacons...yum. :lol: Beacons actually don't give less xp, they just give a static amount no matter what kind of log you use. So you get extra xp if you use willows, but less xp if you use yews. but.. compared to xp per hour, is it better than or worse than maple log burning? Probably worse.

I never knew that! I would've come back if I knew that...although you find out why nardah was founded during the quest. Assuming you explore all the speech options, something I always try to do. ...Your sure there's post-quest info there? The short version is that Nardarine was a refugee from the God Wars who was lost in the desert, and she swore fealty to Elidinis to get a safe haven from the turbulence of the war. I don't remember them saying anything during the quest about it, but it has been awhile, so maybe I just forgot about it...

Eh, herblore and farming aren't useful to get 99 in either, they both stop at 85. 'Sides, people who buy maples are buying them from somebody, right? They're supporting those people. Plus, you lose more money from herblore than from burning maples whether or not you get part of it back. The real skill people oughta get to 99 is summoning. Now that's a skill that's good for something. :thumbup:

a. I'm getting 99 cooking right now, so I'm busy b. I don't like training firemaking c. The skill stops at 92, and I don't need an adze because I have 99 wc already I don't need to train a skill myself to defend the right of others to train it without being labeled as a n00b. Besides, debating is fun, especially when I'm right. :mrgreen:

I liked all four articles. This format is much better than the old one. The Curse of Probabilistic Knowledge: I like this one because it actually serves to educate those ignorant of probability who don't understand the concepts in there. There are a lot of people who need to read about something like this. The Joy of Quest: I like that this is an opinion piece with a definite persuasive element...something you can debate. That's the best kind of editorial, imo. I also like that I agree with it. Backseat History: I definitely agree with the value of backstory. I'm a bit of a Runescape story enthusiast m'self. I bet most people don't know how to count in Tzhaar. (They use base 12, because they have four arms with three fingers each, see?) Or the story of the founding of Nardah. (You can go back to the dungeon from Spirits of Elid with the robes and the key and stuff and talk to the spirits again after the quest, and they'll tell you the story. Nobody ever goes back after the quest though.) War Running: Runescape fanfiction isn't so much my cup of tea. I'm guessing this one is to be continued next week? I suppose it has promise, but I don't think I'm the intended audience. Decent writing. *shrug* By the way... [hide=More accurate depiction, by Michelangelo][/hide]

Right before it you said: I'd say that you're discussing the skill itself there, and the person you said it to had already explained that they enjoy the skill. And I certainly can deny it. Do you have any evidence? Have you surveyed a large group of 99 firemakers? My assumption would be that people who can't stand the skill are much more likely to quit partway through and never make it to a cape. After that, I imagine a heavy proportion of those left over would be players with other 99s who got a different skill before that.

It may be easy in "game" terms, but ask your wrist the same question :lol: You'll find that most people who bash the firemaking skillcape, or skill for that matter, haven't got it, or have never had the motivation to do it, because they're just no fun >_> It takes patience, and also motivation to train a skill like firemaking to a high level; that's why I really despise people who hate it, but can't back it up with hard evidence. Who cares if it's a money burner? Maybe I've got a little money to spare 8-) The bolded statement never happened to me when I got 99 fm... Yes firemaking is a money burner, I literally killed my bank with firemaking...DANG PROUD OF THAT TOO! [/hide] Grats on killing your bank on a stupid 99. Btw, first you say you wanted it just for the cape. Then you say its a "great" skill, yet you cant be bothered to save 16m and train it slower (I'd think if you like it, you like to train it slowly, so you enjoy it more...). And Ladycai, a 99 is not a 99. There's: 1) I got this lvl 99 (fletching, cooking, firemaking, ...) cause I just wanted a skill cape as fast as possible (without spending too much). I dont like those skills, I just grinded through them for my cape. Now I'm 99 I never touched it ever since. 2) I like this skill alot. Since I like it, I train it alot, and eventually, I got 99. Neither of those is inherent in any skill. You're claiming that a firemaking skillcape in itself is n00by, yet in doing so what you're saying is that nobody who trains the skill enjoys it--that's how you're justifying your claim. Well, that is false. You can see quite a few examples of people who like the skill right here in posts on this very thread. You are wrong. You'd be surprised. What if you do enjoy fm? So if you need to spend extra time getting money to pay for the materials for a skill, the skill deserves less respect for getting 99 in? What? Dude, some people like training firemaking. Why do you assume that nobody likes firemaking? I thought you said skills that cost money to train deserve less respect. Yet you place such high value on herblore, prayer, and smithing? Practically every skill is "clicking the same place over and over again." Welcome to Runescape. So what's the use of herblore? Or slayer? What about smithing, fishing, woodcutting, construction, farming, and runecrafting? All supposedly "respectable" skillcapes, yet none of them have any practical reasons for getting 99. Firemaking gets the inferno adze at 92. What does farming get? The last thing you can plant is torstol, which is useless for planting, and spirit trees, which you can plant at level 83...not even a quarter of the way to 99. Herblore loses money on every potion except super weapon poison, and even then it's only because the ingredients are untradable...it's always cheaper to sell the ingredients and just buy the potion than to make it yourself. I could go on, but I hope you see that "uselessness" is not a measure of "n00biness." [/hide] i assume u read every word of my post. so y do u choose to omit the parts such as: I didn't omit that part. You can see I've responded to it. Actually, unless you spend about the same amount on firemaking, all of those skills are much faster than firemaking. We've already established pretty well that there are a lot more people who enjoy the skill itself than you think there are. So what do you think is the motivation for people who get 99 construction then? What about herblore? What's the motivation for someone to get 99 woodcutting, or fishing, or cooking? Can you tell me? You can't, because you don't know. Unless they tell you (or if you can read minds over the internet), you have no idea what motivates someone to get 99 in a skill. Don't pretend you do. We have plenty of examples in this thread alone of people who enjoy training firemaking.

Lol bacons...yum. :lol: Beacons actually don't give less xp, they just give a static amount no matter what kind of log you use. So you get extra xp if you use willows, but less xp if you use yews.

-Super energy potions -Ninja greegree -Knife (for cutting p'apple rings from the p'apple plant) -Food, or money to buy food from the shop

Firemaking takes more skill to train effectively than a lot of other skills. Ever hear of backwards firemaking? It takes some practice to get the hang of, but it speeds up your experience significantly if you never need to run to and from the bank. If clicking from tinderbox to log is mindless, then the skill is no more mindless than strength, construction, fishing, mining, herblore, hunter, woodcutting, runecrafting, or pretty much any other skill. Like I said, welcome to Runescape. The money you make is pathetically slow. You can make faster money with no skills at all. And mith bolts don't even need level 70, let alone level 99. Both of those are crap for profit. They top out at the same speed as pure essence mining' date=' which only requires 41 mining. You can make better cash buying bananas from the Catherby charter ship than you can cutting magic logs at 99 wc or catching sharks at 99 fishing. A player with 99 fishing can't make money any faster than a player with 70 fishing, or for that matter, 1 fishing. The furniture you make at 99 is functionally identical to the firniture you make at 80. So your throne is made of magic stones instead of teak, who cares? It's still only for show. That's just as easy to do at level 32 as it is at level 99. There's no benefit to training all the way to a skillcape. Do you craft airs for money? Because if you don't' date=' then 91 runecrafting is going to be functionally identical to 99. Even if you could make a profit off herblore, which you can't, the highest potion is level 85 for Zamorak Mix (which nobody uses). After that, there's no benefit to further herblore experience. You're only fooling yourself here... :shame: Flaming weapons! \

Not sure where this is, but I found it next to frogworld. Didn't someone say they could see the frogworld from somewhere else?

Nope. No quest required.

You'd be surprised. What if you do enjoy fm? So if you need to spend extra time getting money to pay for the materials for a skill, the skill deserves less respect for getting 99 in? What? Dude, some people like training firemaking. Why do you assume that nobody likes firemaking? I thought you said skills that cost money to train deserve less respect. Yet you place such high value on herblore, prayer, and smithing? Practically every skill is "clicking the same place over and over again." Welcome to Runescape. So what's the use of herblore? Or slayer? What about smithing, fishing, woodcutting, construction, farming, and runecrafting? All supposedly "respectable" skillcapes, yet none of them have any practical reasons for getting 99. Firemaking gets the inferno adze at 92. What does farming get? The last thing you can plant is torstol, which is useless for planting, and spirit trees, which you can plant at level 83...not even a quarter of the way to 99. Herblore loses money on every potion except super weapon poison, and even then it's only because the ingredients are untradable...it's always cheaper to sell the ingredients and just buy the potion than to make it yourself. I could go on, but I hope you see that "uselessness" is not a measure of "n00biness."

How do you know? Just because you don't like it doesn't mean nobody likes it. Making a generalization like that is a lot n00bier than wearing a fm cape. But not thieving, which is faster and cheaper than firemaking or fletching?

Anyone can use the Chaos Tunnels, you don't need a quest or anything...and there's no revs there either. Anyway you could try ghostly warriors, there's a guide to them somewhere in the guides section. They're pretty good xp and decent cash, but you'll want a salve ammy (e).

Actually, all of them are TokTz except the obsidian cape, which oddly is the only one that's translated out of the Tzhaar language. If it was just "Tz" that would be an something made out of just fire, as in a Tz-Kih (the 22 in fight caves)..."Tz" is the Tzhaar word for fire, lava, or hot. "Tok" means rock or hard. So "TokTz" means a fire rock; that is, obsidian.

You'd still lose the same money off the staves from Zaff, since they're so easy to sell on the GE. A battlestaff is worth 8.3k no matter where you get it. Besides, the first post says alching isn't an option.

I have heard this aswell. Too bad no whirlpools. Would love to part with my hands for a while.Then I can attach that pirate hook I got from Brimhaven. Arr, ye don't need a whirlpool fer that, matey; the sharks'll glady do it fer ye. That's 'ow I lost me right. (Me left I lost in a tragic fletching accident.)

It's a Toktz-Xil-Ak. Tzhaar-Xil-Ak would be the name of a Tzhaar-Xil, that is a member of the hunter caste in Tzhaar society. "Toktz" is the Tzhaar word for obsidian. "Toktz-Xil-Ak" is Tzhaar for "Obsidian Splitsword," literally "Rockhot-Sharp-Split."

Obby sword > d scimmy > d long.

Awesome, can I think combine them with Battlestaves and alch them? You'd lose most of your profit that way.

Best place: Puro Puro (accessed from crop circle in Zanaris or a random wheatfield in Gielinor) Good xp: No, they're not worth catching at all.

An obsidian sword and a berserker necklace would be better than a dragon scimitar on anything where you can't use a salve amulet. Otherwise, a dragon scimitar works nicely on undead monsters. You could also use those newfangled Stealing Creation sacred clay scimitars and get double xp from 'em.

They're more technologically advanced than the humans. The light-orbs are not good for training fm, though...too much trouble running around to find which one is broken.

For eucalyptus, the only spot is west of Oo'glog, about 30-40 seconds from the bank there. You need to start As a First Resort to use the bank, but the prerequisite quests are a snap and definitely worth doing. You can look at my woodcutting guide if you have more questions, it should be in my sig.