Sir_Kurity

Its never happened to me, but you have to by sympathetic to the older players. If i were jagex, and implemented an update like that i would give a bonus to the poeple who got high XP before the update, like some gold/whatever as compensation. I don't know but it just annoys me that someone can do it the hard way, the easy way can come along (EG: string X) And suddenly all your hard work is worth half what it was before. But its NOT disadvantaging new players if its not changed, its making it the same as it was before. I like change just as much as anyone else, and would be glad for any skill to be made alot easier, but from a business sense, and from the point of view of older players, change is bad...

With an ignore list, no one really needs mutes, and thus if you don't like the argument you can ignore them, and if you don't mind it, you dont need to ignore them. And as for them arguing, as far as im concerned or anyone else is concerned they can argue among themselves all they want.

Right... So they won't waste there time to please you. Oh the humanity!

Exel's and thebumshows were pretty good and funny.

If you got 99 fletching, stringing bows individually yadayadayada. And the day after, string-X comes along. Yea, you understand why people would be pissed off. If string X was there from the start, cook X was there from the start, then it would be fair, but suddenly adding string X when hundreds of people did it the hard way...

Ive never done it my self, but i donno how level 3 rune mining would work. You would have to survive from level 40-20 wildy before you can teleport away, as well as walking from 20-40 wildy to get to the rune mine.

I think its purpose and status, far more about status than purpose though. Thats the only situation in which a crown might be useful, and even then both the people who were arguing will just be pissed at the mod and argue some other way, through PM or in another area.

You have a level 3 with 85 mining? If you read my previous posts you would have found that i don't like it when skillers are cocky as well, I'm just saying that they do deserve slightly more respect for having high stats/skills/money as a higher level, because it IS harder to be a skiller. The money estimates for green dragons, avansies, etc take into account food. I agree with that, i respect skillers, its hard, but i don't worship them anymore than i would a level 100 with similar stats. Sometimes it bugs me how people think that skillers or low levels with high stats deserve so much more respect.

No its not expected of them, its just less surprising to see a santa from a level 126, as opposed to a level 3. Mithril just can't compare to anything, addy on the other hand might generate decent profit, ive never tried so myself, but it still requires high skill level and would probably generate less profit than green dragons. Ive never rune mined myself, but ive heard its somewhere between 300k-500k an hour, and if you don't run into revenants it could compare to combat. If you do you could be running home with your 20 ore when you get 1 hit koed by a rev. Oh and the bolded point is what im trying to get at, its harder as a skiller, also not everyone can merchant, almost anyone can merchant to make a few 100k a month or something, but few people can merchant well.

Ekk, I'm only 20k tokens from my goal, NEOSS!!!

What the far out.

Clans cant do anything in single combat really..

If your over level 50, its only worth using to kill people with defence.

Formal debates suck. Everyone getting one say and not being able to rebut anyones arguments is a bit [developmentally delayed]ed. Real debates don't have rules like "oh you can't talk because you have had your turn"

Self explanatory. I havent really been talking about f2p, but i admit in f2p skilling is better than combat. In members on the other hand. Crafting, you said its minimal yourself. Mining, its incredibly crap money until 85, and THEN its good money, but still not as good as some combat methods. Fact is by the time you get 85 mining, you could have probably got a combat level of 70-90. Also even if you did have 85 mining, a level 3 would get slaughtered by revenants. As far as i can tell, the wilderness is the only place a level 3 can mine rune. Woodcutting, 150k an hour is crap. Fishing, 150k an hour is crap. Smithing, not sure about exact cash, but still crap compared to combat. RCing, airs are like 100k an hour at 99. Nats are good, but they don't compare to combat until 91. Fletching junk I'm going to emphasize junk. No its not surprising to see lower levels with lots of cash, infact many high levels use skilling to make cash (whether because they want XP or if they are ignorant) BUT it is significantly harder to make cash as a level 3, and many skills ARE harder as a level 3. I think my posts are relatively easy to read, anyway i read lots of newspapers, and i really havent seen anything close to my/your level of writing. I'm not going to stop replying to a post just because its hard to read, I think its an interesting argument.

Sorry, i don't deny i have crap grammar, but try to make it easier to read. 13 times your cash pile is not realistic in a "short amount of time" it just isnt. Items rarely if ever rise over double there price in less than a month, so if your basically a "perfect" merchanter you can double your money every month. In other words, it would take 3-4 months to merchant perfectly from 1 to 13 million cash. Thats not easy, i honestly don't think you or anyone else can double your money once a month consistently with the exception of being a leader/high ranking member of a merchanting clan. Also, list all the best money making methods from skilling, anything but Rune mining and 91 RC, list some good ones that require reasonable levels and i will agree that skillers can make money as easily as people with combat. Worst excuse ever. 0-1 million can't take all that long if its so easy to make money skilling. And merchanting will only take like 5 minutes a day.

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Excuse me if i think its unfair that i won't be able to get a firecape now, and people who did it before did much easier than i would have to.

Turns on search function. Just a little something i remember from when MA came out, I'm to lazy to find more, i'm not even sure if there are more, but heres one. Its quite obviously defending a member update. Oh and yes, it won't be perfect, but when 3 out of 4 of the game modes (or was it 2/3 whatever) are gone on the first day, people lost millions to some stupid bug, and games take a horrendously long time to join, then something is wrong. And i thought they had a QA team.

I havent tried it, (havent been playing + not member) but it seems to make it easier to switch from magic to melee for KO, also it makes the normal spellbook alot better (autocast godspells yay) and gives magic a slight boost. Still no real KO potential, but as a damage dealer its alot better.

Jagex, they really love the melee don't they.

Other than merchanting, the widely accepted best way of making money is GWD, so if you do both merchanting AND gwd, you do it alot faster than a level 3 would. Solo merchanting is omg as good money as everyone says, most of the time it has to be supplemented with other forms of making money. Plus, a level 3 would have to skill for a long time to get a decent capital for good merchanting, until then they will run around making 100k a week from merchanting. Sure its nice to have, but until you have more than 5-10 million its not amazing. 1 mill - 13 million is 13 times the money you had to start with, if you can "easily" multiply your money by 13 from only merchanting then your a very good merchanter, until then your exaggerating or [cabbage]ting. I know most of the people with HUGE cashpiles is from merchanting, but thats because they killed monsters/skilled to a large capital, and then started merchanting for there cash, as well as get money from GWD, etc, a level 3 takes much longer to get a decent capital for merchanting than someone with combat would. Tell you what, make a level 3 right now, WC to 1 mill GP, and then merchant to 13 million, if you can do that in less than a few months, i will accept that level 3's can make money almost as easily as other players. Also, this has to be said... But improve your grammar.

If its less tedious, i think its easier. I know this is a far out example and has nothing to do with the real world/jagex/whatever but hey il throw it out there anyway. Lets say you had option A of training magic, its free and gives 50k XP an hour, and that way of training is barraging people in castle wars / soul wars for fun laughing at your opponent and getting good xp. Lets say you had option B of training magic, its the equivalent of firemaking, say enchanting necklaces or something, i donno, either way its 50k an hour, but its incredibly tedious and boring. I for one would be pissed off if i did option B and suddenly option A came along. Because option A is "easier" because its less tedious and "fun" While option B is "harder" because it is more tedious less fun and more depressing.

Why can't a member complain about the updates? F2p can't complain about updates they DONT FREAKING HAVE ANY TO COMPLAIN ABOUT, so naturally the f2p player would keep quiet while the member would complain because the f2p player wouldn't experience the failure that is MA/SC. The only thing f2p would be able to complain about is no updates, they can't complain about bad updates because they don't get new updates to be called bad.

Id like to thank pinata sabre, never woulda got 80k tokens without you.