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Um, if you're bored with it, then find another hobby. You don't have to play runescape.

If you're going to superheat steel, you might as well mine the iron, too, because it's fairly quick. Use the mine in edgeville dungeon. If you want to be faster about it, then just smith some of the bars you make. Every bar will cost you the price of a nat - say, 300. Every plate you alch will get you 1200 gold, but cost you another nat, so you will make 900 per alch. Every bar you superheat and sell will make 300 in profit, the price of a steel bar minus the price of a nat. So, to break even, you have to equalize the amount of money made by selling bars, and the amount lost by smithing and alching bars. Every plate costs 1500 (5 nats), and gets you 900, so you lose 600 gp per plate, or 120 per bar. Every bar you sell gives you 300 in profit. So every bar sold allows you to smith 2.5 bars into plates, and you will break even. Depending on the cost of nats, you could smith even more of the bars you make into plates to alch, and still break even.

That's the other thing, many members had tons of rune stuff in their banks that previously they cba to go into world 1 to sell, from both monster drops and treasure trails. Now, they just toss it all in the GE for the minimum price and they can sell it without having to hop worlds or stand around yelling for 10 minutes. It's like found money. I don't think that reasoning works for everything though. Like nats, for example - I doubt the GE has caused appreciably more nats to hit the market than used to, since most of the people making nats previously wouldn't let them languish in their bank, they would sell them immediately.

This tells me that things were way overpriced, the market was easy to manipulate, and buyers were willing to overpay. You should keep in mind that a lot of people are willing to sell low just to complete sales to test out the new update. Things will stabilize before long, and begin to reflect what items ought to actually be worth.

Wearing the god cape corresponding to the spell you cast will raise its max hit from 20 to 30. Since god capes have the best magic bonus of any cape in the game, it is a must that you use the proper god cape when using god spells. I don't think you need a god cape to use a spell in the arena.

Can you still get the cheap runes by doing the sudoku?

This happened to me as well. I was also very surprised at the quick turnaround on my appeal.

Remember how they mentioned identifying item value by how much players are selling it for? And now they've capped non-tourney stakes. They will never eliminate player-to-player trading, but they may very well cap giving at a certain amount, like maybe 5k or 10k or so, so you can still get a spade or buy a law when necessary. Or make it so that trades must be even on both sides, using the player value and requiring that each side be within 5 or 10% of the other. Normally, speculation like this is annoying, but it really does seem that Jagex has realized they can't get rid of autoers by banning, and are redesigning the game to remove the ability to trade directly. However, I don't necessarily see it as a bad thing - IF the grand exchange is widely accessible from all or most banks. Jagex really needs to think long and hard to ensure that trading is not made even the slightest bit more inconvenient. Otherwise, the inevitabe outcry will actually be justified.

Hey RSW, I saw you over in al-Kharid! You weren't talking though, you were too busy mining. Good luck powering to 99! What happened to your Santa?

My f2p skiller, sm1thtastic, was kicked after mentioning that one of the chat mods may have been powermining for mining experience. I then went and verified that what I said was accurate. There may have been a reason I was kicked, but to me that just seems petty and wrong, that someone gets kicked from the chat channel for saying something that doesn't break any rules, doesn't spam, and doesn't count in any way as flaming or trolling. The worst part about it is that I got kicked for this, but the clan chat mod currently going for 99 mining who wrongly kicked me, and has also been misleading the chat, for weeks or even months, about his play sees no repercussions for his actions in the clan chat.

Smelting is the only way to do it without losing money. What I do is pick a number, say 10k. Smelt steel bars and sell them until you hit that amount, then make them into plates and alch/sell. Then smelt and sell your way back up to 10k. Etc.

Because that wouldn't fix the problem. If I have 100 mil in the bank, and then buy another 100 mil, and then go to the duel arena to stake, we can each put up the 100 mil, I win the stake, and that's it. It's totally undetectable. You're making the assumption that only poor players buy cash or items in the real world. Not to mention, a lot of good, honest stakers used wildly uneven stakes to make money by enticing reluctant or overmatched players to stake them. This argument makes no sense, really. A 64 person, 1 mil entrance fee tournament will take what, 10 or 15 minutes to complete? You can still make hundreds of mils an hour staking. It may have reduced the amount of money stakers can make in one shot, but it doesn't exactly take away the ability to make money. Staking will still remain far and away the fastest way to make money for the top stakers. This is kind of off the topic, but I don't think there are very many top stakers who were really risking it all, because if you lose everything, then you have to spend a whole lot of time skilling in order to go back to staking. I think you would find that the experienced stakers use a system significantly more complicated than "Bet everything I have until I lose," in order to ensure that, even if they lose billions, they still have a backup bankroll to use in stakes that are more of a sure thing for them, until they get back on their feet.

You don't have to do a 64 person tourney. You can do 32, 16, 8, 4, or 2. But hey, at least that is a fair criticism, I think it would be a much better improvement if you could do more than a straight winner-take-all tournament. Although I'm also betting that the best stakers think they have a good chance to win a 64 person tournament much of the time, and repeatedly win 63 million. Meaning, they are probably much less concerned about there being 2nd, 3rd, and/or 4th place prizes.

But here's the thing - the update just came out. Jagex has created a game mechanism that allows for players to win a pretty sizeable amount of money by fighting other players. The dueling system has been changed, not eliminated. Players may have to adapt the way they duel for money, but it's absolutely impossible to say today, when the system isn't even fully up and running, that anyone has been "punished." If Jagex was really punishing stakers, they would have simply gotten rid of the dueling arena altogether. But it's ridiculous to me that everyone is bashing a brand new system, and doing so almost exclusively with no attention paid to how the new system works. It's totally justifiable. Jagex has gotten rid of something that many people used to break the rules, and replaced it with something that can't be abused as easily by those rule breakers, while still giving people the opportunity to use their dueling skills to win a pretty sizeable amount of money from their opponent(s). In short, most everyone posting in anger about this update is doing so from a position of ignorance. And these knee-jerk posts are doing nothing but waste everybody's time. Make an informed, reasoned post beyond simply stating "This is ujustifiable," and maybe it will be somewhat constructive.

Yes, thank you for being so literal. The same value without a cap. There, happy? 1 mil for the top stakers seems a reasonable cap to me. It's not just poor players buying cash in the real world. Sorry, but I cant help but sense some strong jealousy on your part towards stakers. As if the fact that 99% of them end up getting cleaned out and losing everything eventualy isnt enough to justify them making so much $. I say be and let be, but obviously that isnt the commonly accepted phylosophy. ? That has nothing to do with my above post. I was merely pointing out that balancing stakes on both sides won't solve the real world trading problem. Like, say I want to buy a 400 mil item. I have 200 mil, and wish to buy the other 200 mil with real world money. Even if they require even stakes, I could simply buy the other 200 mil, go stake, each player puts up 200 mil, I win the stake, I take the 200 mil I bought. That's the only point I was making. You're reading waaaaaay more into my comments than is actually there. Just because I don't see the new system as a bad alternative to the old one doesn't automatically mean that I am somehow jealous or angry at the people who used the old system, for either fun or profit. Honestly, I don't understand why you seem to be reading all of these things into what I'm saying. You don't even stake, and yet seem incredibly defensive. What's the deal?

Yes, thank you for being so literal. The same value without a cap. There, happy? 1 mil for the top stakers seems a reasonable cap to me. It's not just poor players buying cash in the real world.

This is exactly what I was going to post. If Jagex's intended purpose was to stop RL trading and transfers to mule accounts, they could simply require that stakes be of equal value plus or minus 10%. That's exactly what they've done :?

Please tell me where I condemned stakers. I'd like to see it. Merely pointing out that some stakers sell the proceeds of their stakes, and that others used the staking system to transfer items bought with real money isn't condemning anyone's style of play. If I'm not mistaken, many stakers have been caught real-world trading and banned, right?

But that's a ridiculous comparison, and you (should) know it. I could imagine all sorts of changes they would make that would affect how I play the game, but just because I can think of changes like that that would irritate me, doesn't mean I would just knee-jerk start complaining about such a change without at least reading about the change, and deciding if there was a good reason for it. And more importantly, I wouldn't go spouting off about something before I knew what it was really all about.

Which I agree, is a major shortcoming of the new system. What would be cool is if they added a way for people at higher levels to overstake lower ranked people. On the other hand, if someone is an expert staker, they can expect to win a $64 million tournament a fair amount of the time. It could make life more interesting and fun for the top stakers, to consistently fight the top competition for such prizes.

Learn what? How old are you, trying to tell me what I'll learn one day? :lol: I don't really see how anything I've said is gloating. Some rule breakers used the dueling system to make money to real-world trade. Other rule-breakers abused the dueling system to undetectably carry out real-world trades. Jagex then changes the system to deal with the rule-breakers, and there is an outcry by everyone, most of whom seem to have neglected to read the details about how the new dueling system works. My point is simply that if people would take the time to actually look and see how the new system works, they would be able to have informed opinions and be able to intelligently comment on the pros and cons of the new system. Instead, all I'm seeing is people who now think that you can only stake 3k at a time, when that is obviously not the case.

But people aren't really being screwed, is my point. You can still stake for good amounts of money with the tournament system. If you are good at staking, you can work your way up to the level where you can stake a million per fight. No, you can't win hundreds of millions in one go by staking a blue partyhat any more, but then, Jagex never intended for blue partyhats to be worth hundreds of millions of coins to begin with. However, it is still quite possible to make an excellent living staking in tournaments, once they get the tournament system sorted out.

I dont think they will be tweaking the 1m stakes being only for the top group either. Not always, although I dont know how much it's changed over the last few years. Well regardless, you don't really have to be maxed to get to the highest ranking. From reading the knowledge base, and judging on how the only other ranking system in the game (games room) works, you go up in rank simply by winning tournaments. So I would assume that the only thing you need to do in order to get into the top ranks is win a lot more of your stakes than you lose, to people who have ranks near yours. This means you will go up in rank by winning 1 on 1 stakes - which ALSO means that you have to actually work for the right to stake the highest amount. Which means it's basically a minigame where your opponents are other players.

I was hoping I'd get another senseless, idiotic response. Thanks for coming through on that one, it was worth the laugh :lol: I don't expect you to care whether or not I believe you, although your tone rather suggests you care a great deal.

You need to get a rank of 1900+ to stake the million coins, as it stands now that basically means you need to be (nearly) maxed melee or (nearly)maxed tank to get up there. Just because they said they won't move the 3k/15 minute cap doesn't necessarily mean they aren't going to tweak the system at all. And aren't most of the good stakers nearly maxed anyways?