Marco

What about learning what you did was wrong and restorative justice? Check the part about rehabilitation. As said, these are people who have callously killed someone in cold blood. Do you honestly think these kinds of people go through couselling and rehab programmes in the states where the death penalty doesn't exist? I was given the impression by the people that advocate imprisonment, that they would be locked up in such a state that they would barely have any contact with other people (someone earlier mentioned a large time in solitary confinement). Bit of a contradiction I think. Aside from the point of the death penalty, to me, being an act to remove someone from society permanently & not any kind of act to cause pain in order to be gratified, you go on to claim that imprisonment would bring more pleasure than death. Using your first point; What will imprisonment accomplish? It wont bring back the victims. It's just a long period of shallow gratification fading over time. My argument remains the same: Death penalty = Imprisonment.

Umm... yeah? They'd no longer be a threat to society so I would be satisfied. What is your point though? I was just responding to the argument, "They fear life sentences more than death." I don't want the satisfaction of having them die in the name of justice if that's what you think. I just want them gone. I feel as though this has been the basis for Zierro's arguments for a while now, and a basis which I find myself agreeing with each time. 1. Basic principle If someone has gone so far beyond all reasonable thought as to kill another person in cold blood then I think that rather than punishing them through a life of incarceration then they might as well just be killed instead. My reasoning for this is is as follows: If they are going to be punished by being removed from society for the rest of their lives then they might as well be dead, as It should be cheaper to kill someone, than it is for them to be incarcerated for 60+ years. However, due to repeated appeals and court cases, it is not significantly cheaper to do so. 2. Justification The difference between executing and incarcerating a person who will never come into contact with society again is, in my opinion, zero. 2.1 Regarding becoming a 'martyr' I do not agree with the argument that executing a murderer will make him a martyr for other people to follow their actions. I feel as though it is unreasonable to think that someone who is so far removed from rational thought as to callously murder someone in cold blood would be capable of seeing another person, who may or may not have been in a similar situation as they were, as a martyr, and someone to honour. I may be wrong, but I don't think that people would copy the original murderer's actions because they thought that the original murderer was 'right' in what they did. 2.2 Regarding being 'inhumane' This seems like a pretty basic argument, in my mind. It is no more inhumane to incarcerate someone for the rest of their life, than it is to kill them. If anything, I feel as though a murderer would prefer death to incarceration, although I cannot speak on their behalf, this is an assumption. I can expand on this by saying that I personally would rather be dead, than know that I was going to live the rest of my life inside an institution apart from society. Take that statement as far as you wish; as said, I cannot speak on behalf of people who would do such an act. Out of the following two statements, morally, is one better than the other? In regards to the 'death penalty': Incarceration: The act of imprisoning, and therefore removing from society, someone for the duration of their lives so as not to be a threat to society ever again. Death sentance: The act of killing, and therefore removing from society, someone so as not to be a threat to society ever again. 2.3 Regarding retribution In my view, which as far as I can see Zierro concurs, this has nothing to do with retribution. The death penalty is a means to remove an individual from society permanently, just as is the aim of imprisonment. It is not an act to 'get back' at an individual. 2.4 Regarding barbarism (primitive savagery) I don't see the issue. As said, the aims of both death and incarceration are the same. How one is more civilised than the other is beyond me. They are different methods to the same effect. Saying that one is better than the other to make a point that we have apparently mentally advanced is inconsequential. 2.5 Regarding killing an innocent man Very quickly: If you murder someone, you will have more of a chance to be found innocent if you are sentenced to death, rather than imprisonment. You will go through more trials, retrials and appeals as a murderer due to be executed, than you would if you were sentenced to incarceration for the rest of your life. 2.6 Regarding the chance of 'rehabilitation' Really..? Without meaning to be condescending; if you can reform the kind of person that would be sentenced to death, then you are clearly one of the best psychologists alive. Bear in mind that these people have been given such a punishment because they bear such a threat to the general public that it would be better if they were dead/incarcerated for life. 3. Criticism As said in my general principle; It is not currently cheaper to kill someone when compared to incarcerating them for their lives. What points can be made from this? It is justifiably expensive, as you should make sure that the person is guilty beyond all reasonable doubt. Currently, I feel as though if someone is sentenced (which is carried through after retrials) to death, then they are guilty. By the time they die, in most states of America they would have gone through at least 3 trials. These are trials which the defendant is proved to have been guilty beyond all reasonable doubt by his peers (representatives of the general public). You may choose to get into an argument over how workable the current justice system is (of which I'm only really qualified to argue for the UK system), but this argument would never end, so I suggest that we just accept the current system of being judged by your peers as the best of the worst. As far as I am aware, no one who has been sentenced to death has been later found innocent since 1910. If the current system calls for all reasonable precautions to be taken so as to avoid killing an innocent man, and if these precautions mean that the costs start to run into behemothic figures, then the only argument which should ensue is how to reduce these costs. Alright, I'll throw it out there - although a lazy aspiration, one day I hope to become a lawyer, an occupation which I feel is grossly overpaid. I am not bringing this point up as to give any weight to my argument, but I'm sure we all know that major cuts can be easily made here, so as to reduce the cost of this method of punishment so as to make it a viable alternative. 4. Brief conclusion My argument is in the main body of text, read it all if you want to understand it fully rather than just skipping to the conclusion (not meant to be a repetition). If you're going to lock someone up for the rest of their lives on the basis that they're such a threat that the Earth would be a better place without them, then you might as well just save time and kill them if it would benefit everyone else (cheaper). My argument is that, as it stands, neither of the two options (life in prison/death) are any good. If you're going to do either one, you might as well do the other. They both cost similar amounts, and if anything sentencing someone to death would give them more of a chance to prove their innocence anyway. --- Please feel free to take apart anything that you wish. I know that I may have missed a few points which other users may have raised, and so this is not a comprehensive argument by any means; it is far from finished. I am in no way claiming that I am right in everything that I have said, this is simply my opinion on the issue. Hopefully people will criticize my argument, and together we can build a more reasonable and balanced one in which some clarity and comprimise between the two sides will occur. Parts of this are from a paper which I had to do recently on criminology, but I have tried to suit it as much as I can to the issues raised here. As ever, with such a clear and strong argument, I must remind users that my views do not reflect Tip.it in any way. As a moderator I am entitled to my opinions which do not in any way indicate Tip.it's stance on any issue.

1. What is your job? Law Student :cry: 2. Do you have any nicknames? Mongo.. 3. What famous celebrity/fictional character do you look like? Ah I don't know.. Me & Frank Lampard have been going to the same hairdressers for a long time though.. (http://i389.photobucket.com/albums/oo33 ... 3_3963.jpg) 4. What famous celebrity/fictional character do you want to most look like? Hah.. Would it be wrong to say Angelina Jolie..? Either that or someone hansome enough to get by on just looks. 5. What are you most proud of in life? Being lazy and still getting lucky with everything. 6. What do you regret most in life? I'd say being so lazy because I could do so much better, but I do love to doss. 7. Pancakes or waffles? Waffles. 8. Favorite cookie flavor? Chocolate chip.. 9. What is the most expensive thing you have bought? Erm.. I guess all the lessons + test for my driving licence - a good £1000+ 10. What is the most expensive thing you have broken? Probably Picasso's original 1937 Guernica. Yeah. That wasn't a good day. 11. What is the funniest thing you've seen? What poor questions, I must say. My memory isn't good enough to pick out anything specific. Possibly seeing Michael Macintyre at The Apollo 12. What's your dream meal (appetizer, entree, and dessert)? Chocolate cheesecake.. or maybe that Mango & Passion Fruit cheesecake that I'm constantly tempted by in Sainsbury's. 13. If you could go back in time, what year would you go to and why? November 2008 to sort out some girlfriend issues. 14. Pizza, yeeeeeeaaaaahhhh or naaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhh? Yes.

Although I'm currently taking a law degree (england), my understanding on U.S law is pretty limited, so apologies if I'm wrong on anything. As far as I'm aware, every person given the death penalty in America is also given an automatic appeal to the hearing which cannot be waived (they must go through the appeal, even if content with the sentance). Some states have created a second automatic appeal which the defendant must go through. Apart from that, many defendants go through habeas corpus ad subjiciendum appeals, which basically allow them to question the legality of the hearings and the death sentance, as well as some defendants going through numerous appeals to the original case. If you're wondering, the automatic appeals are in place, I think, as a comprimise between the legislators and human rights lobbyists. Bear in mind that only the crème de la crème of lawyers would be involed in these kinds of cases, and with the best barristers & solicitors (or whatever they are in the States) comes the highest legal costs. My personal opinion, similar to Ginger Warrior's, is that despite have a couple of years of study behind me, I still wouldn't feel confident enough to give a straight 'yes/no' answer. I do however believe that death is still preferable to living out your years in prison, and I also detest the fact that we seem to spend so much money keeping convicted criminals in prison for years living a standard of life which some people would, ahaha, 'kill' for. #-o Pun very much intended. :lol:

Woah there! We've got a very strict 14+ policy here at Tip.it. I'm sorry, but we're going to have to delete your account and IP ban you. Feel free to come back on your birthday though. :thumbup: ... Just kidding. Thought it would be fun to jump on the 'let's make fun of speed' wagon, but I'm done now. :lol: Anyway, my advice to you is to quite simply talk to the girl and ask her why she's so messed up, but try and be a little tactful. It does sound like these girls are quite young, and from my experience insecurity plays a big part in a teenage girl's behaviour at parties or whatever. I know a lot of girls that have done a lot of stupid things when they were 14-18 because of peer pressure/trying to find out who they are/reputation etc. You can quite clearly see that there's a problem with doing what she did, so you know you're in the right with your views, but to be honest if a girl does that to you then you're probably better off not being with someone like that.. unless you just want sex. But there's more to life than that, and at 13 you've still got years ahead of you.. ;) KIDDING kidding..

Greatest joy, eh... I'd say spending a whole day with someone you truly love. From the moment you wake up together, looking into eachothers eyes while the sun starts lighting up the room more and more by the second, knowing that you've both got a whole day to just be with eachother and not have to worry about anything else. Knowing that it doesn't matter what you even do together because you're both so comfortable and content that it doesn't make a difference whether it's going out to a resturaunt or dossing about at home, taking a midnight stroll watching rubbish films all day. Right up until you finally decide to go to sleep in eachothers arms, being excited that in a few hours you'll get to wake up and do it all over again. Edit: And then she tells you she's had enough of acting out your strange fantasy, and although it was a nice break from being payed for sex, shes still wants paying. #-o

As said, when posting please bear in mind that some users will have a different background colour to you, and certain colours will render a post illegible. Feel free to use colours in your posts, but try and avoid using a single colour for the whole of a post, as more often than not it'll be detrimental. I've edited your original post with the default colour so now everyone should be able to read it without any problems.

The harder you try, the less likely it is to be chosen. If you come across as going out of your way to suck up & become noticed as a 'helpful tool' to Jagex then your motives for become a player moderator will often be questioned. My advice is to simply stop making it your goal to become a player moderator, and instead be natural in your gameplay. If you are, naturally, suited to the position then there is a chance that you will be chosen, but bear in mind the multitude of players wishing the same as you.

I'm assuming you've 'fought' Jack Frost? And by fight I mean aim yourself correctly so as to slide into him on the ice patch. Once you do that the event pretty much runs its course through a cutscene and then is over.

This whole issue of friends list policy isn't really relevant to me, as my Private Chat is always 'On'. Anyone is free to add and speak with me, and the issue of me deleting people off my list is of no consequence, as no one knows whether or not they're on it in the first place. I guess I'm not famous or, in the case of the majority of players, pretentious enough for only a select group of people being allowed to talk to me. The questions which do apply, however; -What type of person will you add? People that I talk to enough. -How long will you need to talk to them before you add them? No set time, but would typically be around half an hour/1 hour of talking with someone. -What would make you take someone off your friends list... If we simply don't talk anymore. I used to clean out my friends list almost weekly. -...or even add them to the ignore list I'll usually add someone who I just can't be bothered to deal with on my ignore list for a day or so. After that time they've usually forgotten about it and my list can return to being exclusive to the Fiary Ring codes.

I agree wholeheartedly with this. People here need to stop blindly following one or two people because they are "respected" or "veterans"; it's just stupid. If you agree with what they say that's alright, but when you join in their "flame parades" are do whatever they want and basically become their slave, you need to start thinking for yourself. Also, blatantly flaming people on the internet because they disagree with you or they made a mistake is stupid. Everyone has different opinions and different things to say, let them say that and stop trying to shove your opinion in their face as the right one. Everyone makes mistakes. If I decided to nitpick everyone's mistakes how stupid would I look if I made a mistake? No one's perfect, learn to live with other people's fallacies. I agree. I remember seeing quite a few very intelligent users coming onto the board with high posting standards only to be flamed and cast out by some 'regulars' and their followers simply because they were new. It's a shame to see how some people will blindly conform with some of the older users in an attempt to be part of the group, but that's just the way life is I'm afraid.

+1 ye oi deff agree with dis bloke 'ere right. 'E knows 'is stuff, init. Don't know wha' der rest of dem tip.it mods are on 'bout 'alf the time. I jus' zone out when we got dem borin' meetings an' stuff. Cor' blimey!

I feel as though this topic would be better suited to the General Discussion board rather than H&A so I'm moving it there for you. Hopefully you'll also get a better response than before. Any problems/questions then let me or another moderator know. ;) Um Bong0.

In future please post any Runescape related videos in the topic which Ouchy_S stated below; Any questions/problems then let me know ;) Locked.

Come on guys, cut down on the spam.. :roll: Anyway, cobweb86 take heed of fubol's advice above and post any Runescape story in the Varrock Library. Locked.

I'm with the Tuna guy. Just think of the possibilities.. All the Tuna in the worl- Err.. but seriously, I suggest you invest in getting some decent bones for raising your Prayer level to 70 using someone's Guilded Altar.

the wisest reply. My thoughts exactly. Runescape will always be Runescape. If it fails to capture your interest anymore then maybe it's just time to move on. It's unlikely that despite all the time you've spent playing the game so far there will be something amazingly fun that you have never tried before which will reinvigorate you. You wont find anything 'fresh' from a game you've played for the last 4/5 years.

Despite the poor reward, that was a surprisingly fun quest. :D Definatly one of the best quests I've ever done (which is out of all of them).

Um Bong0: P2P Cheers ;)

This is a pretty good guide for you. Personally I've always prefered Blackjacking to Pyramid Plunder. :)

Great articles by both Turtlefemm & Das. Although it is true that there will always be young mature players, the vast majority will be immature and typically a hassle to deal with in my experience. Maturity - I feel - comes with life experience, something which few young people have simply because they don't have the years under their belts, which leads me onto my answer for Das' question. I would love it if some kind of firm age restriction could be put in place for the game, (16+/18+) just because it's just not enjoyable to see hoards of immature players flood the game with Jagex making updates each month to suit this crowd. Bad grammar/vocabulary don't particularly bother me to be honest - it doesn't come as easily to some as it does to others and gives no real indication of age, many of my friends at university still can't spell :P Obvisouly this will never happen because it doesn't make business sense, but hey, I can dream..

Moved. Good luck with the Visages ;) Bongo

The warning beacon lighting quest sound like it could be quite fun, and I guess it also hints at upcoming developments in the River Salve & Meiyerditch quests. I'm just hoping that this new Runecrafting Guild has high entry requirements and doesn't just house the mini-game. Hopefully it'll be as useful as the Mining/Fishing Guilds are, rather than another Prayer Guild.

Locked on request.

Brother Jered on the 1st floor of the Prayer Guild will bless the symbols for you. ;) Prayer Guild guide.