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There would be logic in your sentance only if the new autocast function would have added new dimensions of training to the spells(which it didn't, since the most useful training god spell was already autocastable and god spells are not cost efficient for training anyway). They are being merchanted......

Another one of those ''simplify until it's simple enough to easily calculate'' topics, aye? Magic experience goes differently from other combat styles, being base xp plus 2x damage done, so this renderes your calculations wrong already. Furthermore, hits are integers- you are proposing us to hit 1.1 when a normal staff would hit 1- this does not occour and thus you do not do 10% more damage(it's rather around 6% more damage). Also, you forgot to mention the difference in magic attack bonus. By my calculations(yet again, these are calculations and have been simplified to some extent also) you are better off using 10% staff on 9 targets if your average hit is above 15, but you are always better off using water staff when casting against any single opponent(yet again, i can't add time/money into these because you'd be killing monsters faster with 10% staff).

Umm...no information about pvp armor.....? For the question, it really depends on the armor the other people wear. For example, if you are fighting against rune armor, it'd be stupid to use warrior ring over berserker one, but on the other hand, when fighting against full vesta/statius/divine, you'd see the differance of wearing these items more often as not than compared to rune. For the most part, for example, training, accuracy when you are maxed doesn't matter alot- monsters have low defencive stats(even boss monsters) and you'd always be better off using strength increasing equipment. On the other hand, when pking, most fights go down to a KO. Now surely, accurecy might help you hit 3 40's in a row, but for the most part, you'd need alot less luck to hit a single 50 for a KO. Actually, that wouln't be a fair test because the increase % you get from going from a scimi->whip is alot bigger than going from a whip->vls(for example). 100%>50%

You are propably already late. With everyone anticipating the so called crash it could easily not come to be(or has already happent with the week of fluctuation). Years ago, there was a similar ''rule'' that santas would rise at christmas and masks at halloween, but with everyone anticipating it, one year, there was no such phenom. Seriously depending on it to make profit isn't a very smart move.

the maximum number in game is 2.147b, and since experiance is counted decimally, the maximum experiance would be 214,7m, which is still level 126 and an odd number... Raising the number cap would be difficult beyond mesure.

Gava, the point of it all is, that the prices fluctuate this much because people do panic sell. If everyone that owned an AGS were a ''deserving owner'' they wouln't even look the other way when the price goes down a bit- and thus control the fluctuation. If everyone bought their items for the price they think is right to buy the item, there would be no need to panic sell. The success of a merchants labour always comes down to this: How much dead/stupid money is out there? And with the ease that the GE provides, there is always alot. If you are too afraid to lose money on an item you buy, then you can never be a deserving owner of the item.

Playing Runescape is useless. If you think you can be efficient when you play runescape you are dead wrong, because you are wasting your time. But some people, as stupid as they may seem, actually play Runescape to pass the time and enjoy doing so. There is no one way to play this game and everyone chooses the path for themselves, two moneymakers and a big pile of cash doesn't get you success in this game.

Crime.ee? if so tell my old dear friend hello! [hide=irrelevant post]That's right, and i will when i get the chance to(he should be coming round to my brothers birthday soon).[/hide]

rsriemis, your points are completely irrelevant to this thread. I KNOW THAT RUNESCAPE, AS A WHOLE, DOES NOT HAVE ALOT OF BUGS. If it did, well, noone really could play it. But, as you may read from the topic title, this is all about a single update, and to be honest, the percentage of what was wrong with anything they did update was appaling. Basically, returning to the car analogy, your car gets new tires when you get it in for a service and they happen to fall off and get you killed. Then you are a healty bystander saying that: oh well, atleast the windscreen was alright and the brakes still worked at the time of the accident. IT'S IRRELEVANT. This update was appaling in quality and you can't deny it. If jagex knew about this, then logically, they shouldn't have released it. It's OK for you to say that you can do anything ELSE than some things, but then, why have them around at all? And as another example, i would dearly like you to say that the deletion of your runescape account is completely irrelevant, just because it's just another account. Mesuring everything against absolutes will get you a poor job as a cleaninglady(because your job, as everything else anyone else ever does, is, as always, irrelevant). It's always great to get 95% in a maths test, but if 95% of the pupils of a school are not harmed in a school shooting, it's not so great at all.

I never said small bugs, I said bugs, and if you compare the amount of faulty things in the game due to bugs to the entire game itself, maybe you could realise that it is, in fact, very small amount of gameplay that is inaccesible for a short amount of time :roll: Edit: and xpx, I have read the entire thread before I made that post, and I didn't care making a long post comparing cars to lines of code or defending Jagex, I just wanted to make my point clear. Your move. So you saying that jagex released the update on us to do the QA work ourselves and that the full game is supposed to be full of bugs after updates? Why release content that is utterly bugged(atleast 7 POH bugs) at all then? it's common sence alot of players would like to see the new content of the game when it's released and it'd be stupid to assume new content raw. Also it'd be stupid to assume that the old content gets contorted by every update, but in this update, it infact did. A 22 prayer fire cape? Invisible unattackable people in the wilderness? i'm guessing(and i'm not stupid enogh to write them here) that you have no idea on the extent these bugs have/could have/will cause. Also, to make an example of the bugs still in place, i just had a full dm with my target with him dieing when he was out of food, and i didn't even get a kill message, not to mention he actually got his items back from the ground. Few minor bugs? I'd rather they'd stop these stupid MA polishings to worry about alot more pressing issues for a change.

Notice, LEARN TO READ. This thread did not originate from small bugs, if you aren't well informed enough, then why post on a discussion thread? Guess this also proves how much i know about the people that visit these forums.

I don't get your contradictory statement. You said you are fully aware of what programmers have to deal with, but you thought that Construction would be released with zero bugs? First, Construction was something that they had to update their game engine to support - twice. Second, the bugs that came with Construction were most likely because they tried something new with their engine - and regardless of how much testing one could have did, I don't think that the case could have been that > 1,500 players would be ejected from a POH at the same time and allow a handful of players to continue attacking others, as if they were in a POH, would have been caught anyway. I'll also tell you - the update wasn't badly programmed or tested, honestly - the testing environment is a much more sane environment than a live environment is, and while things should always be the same, they don't always react the same as if they would publicly (case in point: the alleged new server connections that didn't work as planned due to kernel memory not being large enough). Lastly, there's a radical difference between "appalling" programming and a few oops glitches here and there; one of them means that players lose plenty of money, items or skills; the other means that it was some only quick annoyance. "Invalid teleport" sounds more like an annoyance to me. My contrary statement is that since one piece of the game is a hotspot of bugs(major bugs), they should have thorouly tested it not just rushed it out(as it seems they did). Yet again you are ignorant about what i have actually said. I didn't post of one little inconvenient bug, there were loads, differing in scale and importance, but the fact is, they made using that specific content unbearable for me and gave an unfair advantage to some people(free planking, for example). If you really are saying that this sort of stuff is completely OK to pass by then i'll hold you to it, but i am more concerned about the drop of quality as of late(yet again, i havn't complained before, and see this specific update and the last couple of months as a let down by the QA/programming team/jagex in general).

I apologized, both on this threat and in a PM. What the heck else do you want? -.- Don't really ever read my PMs on forums, so i didn't see it before. What would i want? most people that read this topic are going to read the first post and not bother with anything else, and i am not content what is written in the first post. You could, at the least, edit my reply(s) into the first post or just edit it not to be offencive.

Also i'd love to adress all these people who are hinting for me to quit- i have been around Runescape for 6 years and have NEVER before said anything about the programming or QA team. I have always been content, even though i have seen some (if not all) the major bug abuses. I have suffered alot trough the years by not abusing bugs that i have known about and other people continiously have abused, and i have been content, because i have usually been awarded by the elimination of competition and people getting banned for their deeds. BUT, as of late, jagex has NOT been up to any standards. There have been alot of major bug abuses(penguins, ma, familiars in f2p etc) that have rewarded a big part of the players but didn't result in any serious action dealt against them. Furthermore, jagex, as of late, seeing their business slip, have started to unban players that used to abuse these bugs, and yes, it does effect me. Taking all this information into account, i feel, as a customer, that i have the right to complain about what i am getting for my money, and that jagex should, at the least, respect what i'm saying and look into fixing what they have brought about. As i said, i see the last update as the worst released in the last 3 years in terms of quality, and i stand by that, and expect them not to mess up this bad again. As an addition(and i mentioned this in my last post), I have no idea for the topic creators incent to troll/flame me about being out of line when people like this are around(and i think it's a fair opinion).

Lmao. You are a programmer, but that doesn't mean you should try and lord the forums and insult people like a teenager. Guess what, i am fully aware of the stress most programmers have to work trough, and have a good friend who designed, developed and is running(l6vi, if anyone from scapeboard still remembers) a fully functional multiplayer game. I understand that people make mistakes, but what i'm mostly hinting in that post(and what you left out of my post, another nod there) is that construction is known to bring about bugs that can have catastropic effects, and knowingly releasing a construction update that has atleast 7 bugs in it and seriously hinderes playing the game(these weren't small bugs, they were there for everyone, easily reproduceable and confusing, also one of them granted you free planking(MAJOR bug)). I didn't make the post to say that jagex as a whole has bad progammers(and didn't make major insults towards them like some), but that this was a completely raw update and either rushed out or badly programmed/bad QA work. SOMEONE messed up, now it's not mine to determine, but yes, i do think, turning out such an appaling piece of programming, that someone should be dealt for what they did. Also, as this is a Runescape discussion forum you should leave your life stories for another day and another audiance. A job is a job, if you get paied for it, you should try to give it your best. If your best isn't good enough or it's impossible to reach the standards, then there is obviously some problems.

Exactly, people also seem to forget that Construction has been one of the biggest sources of bugs when it comes to skills. I'm really sorry, but that has got to be the biggest piece of .... reasoning i've ever heard. What you mostly are hinting there is that fally massacre was just a small bit of fun and not really anything bad at all. The reason you gave should infact have made the QA team think twice before releasing this piece or garbage(the update itself was great, the programming behind it was the worst in 3 years).

To everyone saying this update is a little bit bugged: IT'S NOT. It might even hold the record for most bugs in an update since the original construction skill update, not to mention they bother some normal everyday scapers and don't need you to be a brainsurgeon to reproduce. If jagex really has a QA team as they are saying, they sure as hell don't care much for their jobs. Construction and everything related to it has always been a hotspot for bugs(the legend of durial still going strong after many years), and they still came up with this cold turkey even though they are very aware of what this may lead to. As for what concerns MA: LOL. A year spent on what? why not deal with more pressing issues(pvp, for example) before you start making a louzy new platform as an excuse for an ''epic'' minigame. Not only is it a cheap ripoff, but also unrewarding and boring.

A nice update to increase bank space BUT, did you give us more room in our house to do it? [hide=]If anyone has any ideas, which room of these three garden rooms should i delete? [/hide]

whoa, that's some achievement... my greatest one came by in 05' but even that wasn't as ambitious as yours... Still working slowly on maxing out though.

No, as you can clearly see from the ge graph, they are going up, thus they are underpriced... The fact that any noob can't buy them is completely fine- they are not nature runes that you would use every day and need to use any day, but collectors items with little more use then sitting in a bank. Now if there are enough collerctors around to maintain and back the current price then no, partyhats are in no way overpriced, rather, you are too poor and a louzy merchant(purple was 75m just months ago, where were you then?).

Congratulations, you just won stupid post of the year award. You agreed NOT to abuse any potential bugs/glitches if you find them. I am not telling you again, there is A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BEING SOMEWHERE ELSE BUT THE COMPUTER AND STILL GAINING XP AND ACTUALLY BEING AT THE COMPUTER. Stupid or not, but with my knowledge of how jagex handles different situations(having been around for so long) that is the practice they use for bugs, and the agreement isn't worth anything, because most of the time there is a fine line between abuse and not abuse, and they just look away from people just barely crossing it. Also, the agreement of not abusing bugs is clearly stated in my post, and it is not the players problem to tell the differance between what is and isn't a bug. And well, the afking thing can easily be explained by a similar real world problem. As we all know(or if you don't then don't read on), god does not exist. But the major factor of sence the believers stand by is that those that don't believe should prove what they are saying, and as we all know, it's impossible to prove that something doesn't exist. The same way both you and I know that those people are breaking jagex rules and should ultimately get banned for it, but the diffeance is, you are running around the street yelling that god does not exist, and i'm using my common sence and just ignoring a problem that is not mine to solve.

Wrong, the difference is that one is AT the computer, the other most likely NOT. Nobody has a problem if you do it at the computer, that's just stupidity, why do something slow when you are in control anyway? It's the people who leave their computers and do it over night or school that matters. Right, so if I discover a huge bug that gives me infinite cash I can abuse it as much as I want, since no one knows but me, and it's legit since it's not proven otherwise. What a BS concept. Right, read quote one. This is not the real world. Edit: Stupid quote tags. This is not the real world? do not REAL people play the game? The law concernes the internet aswell as everything else, so yes, this is the real world and jagex can not ban anyone without proof, nor are you anything else but an idiot if you say that they are afking, because, unless you can prove it, those are just filthy lies. And for your information, if you do find a bug you can always abuse it until jagex does state that it is a bug. It has happent 100s of times when abusers have got off with that and will most certainly be that way- we are not responsible for their poor foresight and thus should and will not suffer for it. They only issue bans to people knowingly abusing bugs. And an inefficient method? should we ban everyone fishing sharks too? because they are semi-afk and are training very inefficiently... Anyone is welcome to choose any method of training they want and it's not your place to tell them off.

femur bone isn't a rare drop...but yea, i have had a clue alongside a whip drop and have heard of kq head plus chain and abby head plus whip but those are really rare....i'd like to see someone get d full and visage in one drop....

It's not like they are criminals running from justice lol... Tbh, looking at it this way, i would very much like to report people using cook-x to get 99 cook, fletch-x to get 99 fletch, Herblore-x, all the fishers, people using craft-x, all the woodcutters and the people using gilded altar(sorry if i left anyone out), on the basis that, when i got most of my experiance in those skills, i didn't have those methods to reckon with and see them as louzy afkers abusing the game...(or more simply put- this is not a black and white problem) What? Those are functions that are legitimately in the game, and can be used without concern. Abusing the game's faults to your own advantage is cheating, no matter what. If you used even a trifle of common sense you would see that acctually the two are more similar than you might guess, but the only differance is how frequently you HAVE to click, rather than if they are legit.The both methods are legit on the basis that the game gathers experiance for you while you have the commodity of time that you HAVE to(yes, no browsing forums while fishing, or you are just as bad as thos mages....) spend doing nothing. Is magic not a part of the game? Used without concern? Runescape is not a beta, so everything you can do in it is legit until proven not to be. I'd certainly class this problem together with all the other semi-afk skills... You are looking this problem one dimensionally- if a mage does no damage he is afk and thus is cheating- but in the real world noone is guilty until proven so.

It's not like they are criminals running from justice lol... Tbh, looking at it this way, i would very much like to report people using cook-x to get 99 cook, fletch-x to get 99 fletch, Herblore-x, all the fishers, people using craft-x, all the woodcutters and the people using gilded altar(sorry if i left anyone out), on the basis that, when i got most of my experiance in those skills, i didn't have those methods to reckon with and see them as louzy afkers abusing the game...(or more simply put- this is not a black and white problem)