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If you get bogged down by a couple of slower floors then try to start the next few with 2 very good wingmen to ensure a good time. While keying for newbs can be considered admirable, if a good keyer starts getting really slow floors, it's down to the team entirely.

Just did half an hour on Frozen C2s, 19k fishing xp. Are people saying that I should be getting more than 40k per hour aware of the nerf? More than half (I'd estimate about 2/3-3/4 but I haven't measured) of the fishing spots give half xp (67.5 for salve, 76.5 for blue crab) for every fish from that spot. That's quite odd... I just tried c2 fishing a week ago, and every dungeon I did only one or two of the salve eel spots gave half exp. All the rest gave full exp. Maybe I was just lucky. The actual rate is very likely 50%, putting the nerf at 75%. The maximum fishing xp should be around 110k and 130k for woodcutting, assuming maxed levels and equipment, but you do need to be fast. Getting 19k an hour with 80+ tells me you are slow as hell.

If you are serious at all about dungeoneering, get 70 rc and csb. laws are basically there as a homeless mans substitute, but you are really hurting your team(and even as a keyer, laws are a bad idea).

Be a good wingman. Fixed that for you. Seriously, for really fast floors and sub 20 min average(which is possible) you basically need 2-4 keyers on the floor who all know what they are doing. Below 30 is down to the keyer, below ~25 is down to the team.

by that logic, it's stupid to do most things. gtfo efficiency troll :pray: and yeah, dieing alot helps, but when i have long paths and suck by dpsing half the floor on blitzer, his madness can out-berserker me :ohnoes:

3x :mellow: toad haxed something. inb4noonebelievesmikekeyedthat

The problem is that it's not that easy getting one. For alot of people, the question is what to get before neck, rather than how to get one.

Yeah, i basically can't see a warped floor guide being useful at all. There is only select knowhow for a few bosses that can be understood from boss guides and learned by trying a few times, but other than that, they are floors like any other- the monsters really aren't that much different(they are actually easier overall without the annoyance of reborn warriors). Monster weakness is something jimi covers well in his guide already.

o wat, 22-3. So shush and don't talk to my estonian bro like that :ohnoes:

Sorry for the late response but... c2 wcing is around 130k an hour if you only do f1-4 and re-enter(skip bosses if they would take more time) and around 100k an hour if you do the floors as c1's. And yes, i think all low complexity resources got a 0.75x nerf(figures assume primal axe bind).

I know i should, but that's party because i want people to pay attention and party because i want to avoid awkward questions about dps: higher is better(they are graphed as dps vs. def max hit). Grimy didn't get to fully say what he meant, but after his long and painful research about dungeoneering accuracy(for which we all should be grateful for) it looks as though baxe might be better, but we are still collaborating on how we can best utilize that information. And, again: https://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?hl=en_GB&formkey=dFl3X1JMMGw1VWVObmpSMDFWYVRlc1E6MQ#gid=0 (fill out or die!)

Apparently, i could have been right all along, although using a baxe is still a privilege and i guess the leaders will be talking to players who should make the switch(and we are working on tracking player binds to help better recommend binds to players). binds form link: https://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?hl=en_GB&formkey=dFl3X1JMMGw1VWVObmpSMDFWYVRlc1E6MQ#gid=0 (we will hunt you down and kill you if you derp)

If you are going to do alloments, plant all watermelons. Though it will cost a bit(the seeds are ridiculously cheap atm) the consistent good xp is worth it in my mind.

that's actually a reason for you to keep 2h(you may not understand why, but it's not really important).

You know you are special and we all love you <3:

Should be common knowledge. So does every other bonus in dungeoneering. So because I have a B neck, I should get a battle? No, people like you should get a 2h by default and baxe if they are told(by select people) to do so.

Should be common knowledge. So does every other bonus in dungeoneering.

If you have yak, you have to change the inv to allow for much shorter trips(likely one hour) and bring lots of food. Defense bonuses will more pronounced so try using full barrows(veracs skirt and helm). If you can, kite melee attacks as much as you can(similar to kiting 360s in fight caves). Overall, i'd suggest sticking to range in such a situation as it's just so much easier.

For every hour you are going to hunt you need around 1.8 corrupt vines(with clensing scroll). If you assume around 200k hunter xp an hour(max around 260-280k with zammy favor) it shouldn't take more than an hour or two to get all the vines you'll ever need(around 70 an hour, i think).

All dps isn't equal, Zombies have alot of lp while fogottens have very little, but at the same time, both need to be killed, and different weapons have the advantage. The advantage 2h has over baxe isn't as pronounced because of the lack of lp, but it saves atleast as much time or more because of it. 2h is the jack of all trades, while baxe fills a niche, so that's why 2h is considered to be best, though it'd not always best in providing berserker titles. For anyone interested in Prom 2h vs Baxe... The graphs are assuming just the weapons with hood, no prayer, potions or other gear(no blood neck, for example). One thing that i wasn't sure about and still aren't is what the exact def values are(so you can better pinpoint the significant areas), although we are now sure armor on forgottens doesn't get full def bonuses. From grimys data, i'd assume t11 fogotten mages to have around 340 def max hit.

Yeah, but i'm not really sure it shows anything when it's a competition as i'm a pro dino killer :twisted: I'd definitely say it's easier to get berserker with baxe and i might be keeping mine after 113 for variety reasons(assuming i don't get a hex).

That's really a situation where your levels keep you from being effective in dungeons. Unless you can get 70 rc, your combat ability won't be able to keep up to your hp level(which i presume is quite high). Whenever you get 100 dg you'd definitely need box and cele cat(emp cat/fire could do aswell). As of right now, bloods are about as good as laws in your situation.

Dieing is something you can learn to avoid once you get better at dungeoneering. At first, i used to die more than once per dungeon, but getting better and knowing how to protect yourself without slowing the team has brought my deaths down to around 0.5 per dungeon. Alot of keyer deaths can be put down to the team aswell, as there is a strong correlation between how good a team is and how many deaths the keyer has.

wat is dis i dun even....

Nothing new here. But before the change, you had to reclick on a fishing spot after alching to keep fishing, thus the need to move your mouse and use 5 clicks. Manually reclicking on the spot does give you a time advantage, though.