Seems that I can make polls. I added a poll. Please cast your vote. Also, if you can, please leave a post explaining why you chose to vote (Yes, No, Undecided) That will help us determine whether or not the move will be beneficial, plus it's nice to have the users input.

 

Thanks so much, continue with the support!

 

 

 

I just thought of another subforum that I believe should be divided. Although we have been talking about merging subforums, I believe that the Debate Forum should be their own forum. The Debate Club is a mature forum where a lot of users discuss important issues. The Debate Club is a forum that is totally different than rants. There is less flaming and less people being immature.

 

 

 

There has been a higher traffic in the Debate Club lately, and I think that it deserves it's own spot in the limelight. I know the traffic hasn't been overwhelming, but neither has the rants forum. I think that if anything, the rants forum should be a sub-forum of the Debate Club. The Debate Club just seems more useful and it influences the good parts of Tip.It because it shows that debates can occur without spam or flaming. The rants forum is simply a way for people to blow off steam, not much discussion can flow through that. The Debate Club actually has discussion going on. There usually is no right or wrong in a debate, that's why this forum is so great!

 

 

 

Thanks for listening :)

 

Devoted

 

 

 

~Sith: Split to a different topic. Going to try to stay organized.

 

:) Thanks!

 

 

 

Thanks Ard for making a sticky in Debate Club about this too! :P

 

 

 

I have been asked to bring this topic to Debate Club by an Admin also so I can get input of the actual Debate Club users! That means I need your guys's input on this issue! Post your inputs on the subject!

 

 

 

Thanks! :)

I definitely think that it is ready to be bought out on its own. Looking at the board, I see that 10 threads have been posted on today. Thats quite a few. Also this will bring more traffic to the board and hopefully more posters. And I don't think Debate Club belongs under Rants, because not everything in here is bad. :)

there's really not much here that relates to rants anyway, just where would it go after?

I definitely think that it is ready to be bought out on its own. Looking at the board, I see that 10 threads have been posted on today. Thats quite a few. Also this will bring more traffic to the board and hopefully more posters. And I don't think Debate Club belongs under Rants, because not everything in here is bad.

 

Thanks for your input again Kaphias! :D

 

 

 

there's really not much here that relates to rants anyway, just where would it go after?

I would guess that if Debate Club were to be moved out from under Rants, then it would be placed directly above or below the Rants Forum. Once again, this is a guess. Thanks for your input! :)

Personally, I think it's a great idea. Ranting and debating are two separate things, and I'd prefer to have a calm logical debate with someone than an argument because of a rant.

Not every debate is a rant, and not every rant is a debate.

 

 

 

It's time for the Debate Club to have its own solid foundation as a main forum.

I still think rants and debate club has similar posting styles to some extent. I personally use the same posting style in rants like I did in debate club. Both forums seem to revolve around the term "argument". I would agree to give debate club a place in a main forum.

I think it should have its own forum.

 

 

 

And just to differentiate for people:

 

 

 

A debate and a rant are similar, just like a rant and a suggestion are similar. A good rant includes a suggestion of how to remedy the problem. A debate is a rant that places more emphasis on the intellectual side, exploring all the options that are available, as well as the consequences to those options. A rant is less thorough in content and more superficial in nature, in comparison with a debate. Debates also tend to be more open-ended than rants.

Thanks for the support everyone! :)

 

By seperating the forums, more users wil browse these forums, which will make more posts, thus more debates! :wink: I think we all want that, don't we?

Thanks for the support everyone! :)

 

By seperating the forums, more users wil browse these forums, which will make more posts, thus more debates! :wink: I think we all want that, don't we?

 

More users perhaps, but users of what kind? I wouldn't want to see the people from the general forum, the OT, or any other forum come post their stupidty here. Perhaps the fact that the debate club is semi-hidden helps get rid of unwanted visitors. We say tip.it is the "elite" of Rs, that's true, but it's just that the general Rs population is soo dumb and childish that the people here seem intelligent in comparison, while in fact most are simply stupid. Bringing here more common chaps of that nature will dumb down this forum.

I often wondered what the debate forum was doing as a subforum of rants. It should be moved to a subforum of general discussion or be a forum itself.

 

 

 

I support this. :

I don't think it really matters whether its a subforum or regular one. It's not going to tremendously affect how this forum is run.

I don't think moving it from a sub forum to a normal forum will affect it too much, i doubt moving it will even affect it at all. I think what should happen is to change it to a regular forum for about a month to see what differences occur. If the results are negative, such as the debate forum being swarmed with rule breakers and rude people ( i currently like the respectful arguments found here, completely unlike the runescape rant forums where if you're right or wrong you get called a noob or idiot by the opposing people), the debate forum should be remade a sub forum. However, if the results are positive in the forum's favor, such as attracting more people with respect for debating, then it should stay as a regular forum.

Moving it down to the General Discussion section of the Index would help it greatly.

 

 

 

1) It would stop half the morons from the General Discussion (the one of merged F2P and P2P) to come to the debate club.

 

 

 

2) The loyal patrons would still come, along with the intelligent people from the other sections located down there.

 

 

 

3) This would keep the relative IQ of these forums high.

I would also support a move away from rants to something else. But I would worry that an increased volume of traffic would damage the debates going on here.

 

I hate to say it, but in sheer volume of posting, "popular" drives out "good." The new general forums, are awash in "what do you think of XYZ" posts that have driven out decent discussions from the old boards.

 

 

 

In reading some of the other threads here, perhaps a discussion board, might be in order with debate as one "anchor" of a couple of discussion groupings. For example, I would love to discuss the whole charter ship gloves thing and the reasoning behind it, but general discussion would get it buried in seconds, and its not exactly a "debate."

Your support is needed in order to make this huge move.

 

Please show your support whether it be positive or negative.

 

Thanks!

You got my support

You got my support

 

Thanks! :)

Tip.It Debaters deserve their own forum. I think a whole forum to our own would be extremely beneficial as not only do we get more traffic, we also are able to "recruit" new people who will come in to give their mature opinions on matters that are affecting and could potentially affect Runescape society.

 

The Rants forum could be placed as a sub-forum of the Debate Club, as the posts there are less mature and organised. Flame wars break out rather frequently during the rants there as people are mostly looking for a way to let off their anger due to certain events that may have irked them.

 

Thus I support this move. Let the Debate Club play a more prominent and important role in the development of Runescape society.

I sure support it.

 

Debates really don't have anything to do with rants, and it deserves it's own forum.

Great idea. My only worry is that, as many people have said, this will bring in unwanted traffic from the not-so-intellectually-minded tipiters. If that happens, we'll have practically destroyed the debate club. I think that to do this, there'd really need to be a topic-creating standard that would be upheld in the Debate Club to keep it simply at the intellectual level it's at now. I've seen many posts that are near to a full browser page long, that can explore all the sides of an entire topic and then make a convincing argument for one or another. However, by comparison, General has far too many posts that are simple one-liners. Admittedly, sometimes in Debate Club your point's already been made, but I know I saw one really brutal one (by my standards) that shouldn't have been in here at all. My problem is that, moved out to a more noticeable position, we'd simply increase the numbers of these kinds of posts and degrade the quality of our own little private community. I think the rules about spam and things like that should be FAR more strictly enforced in Debate Club than anywhere else.

 

scimmy owns nuff said

 

This is what I'm worried about. this isn't thought-provoking or debatable whatsoever, and so doesn't add to the debate in any way. This should be able to be reported and removed in Debate Club. I saw a post that said this in a debate earlier this week, and I think moving the forum out would provoke more of these, thereby possibly wrecking the debate for those more serious debaters, and none of us would enjoy it anymore.

 

 

 

I realize this post is pretty long-winded, but I had to get it all out of my system and make it fully clear. What I'm trying to say is, one-line posts should not be permitted in Debate Club. =P

 

 

 

However, I support the idea completely. I just hope we get more good traffic than bad.

rants dont relate in any way to debate.

 

 

 

we could debate an update is it good or bad. How would that be a rant?

 

 

 

needs to be on it own main forum or a sub forum in a more aprorpiate forum such as general.

Yes, why not. Rants & debate club forums have nothing in common anyway, so it makes no sense they're in the same section.

I kind of like the fact only selected people post on these topics. I'm afraid if it gets moved to a forum of its own it will get turned into Rants Version 2.

 

 

 

I agree with klankaos about everything. Maybe a few extra moderators to take care of the forums.

 

 

 

With the debate standard make it a requirement that your responses need to be more than 5 words or something. So that people are constructive with their views and actually "debate".

I think it should be its own forum because ranting is complaining about something which is not debating where both sides are showing both sides of an issue and debating about it.