The degrading community

[Arthu]

People used to say the same back in 2004...

[mario_sunny]

You have only been here for a short time.

 

 

 

Back in the scapeboard days tip.it was a booming society for high lvls.

 

 

 

All clan discussions and etc were posted on scapeboard not rsc and there were many discussions. However your 4years too late. I joined tip.it in late 2001 and i remember when there was a list of all runescape clans on tip.it. Things change, rs secrets are discovered and rs has become a game which is for annoying little kids.

 

 

 

thank you.

 

finally someone who is also a little tired with people from 2005 and up complaining about the community.

 

 

 

It doesn't matter when I joined tip.it, I know what I'm talking about. That's like saying someone with more posts than another user is always more mature, for example. That's completely wrong, I've seen people with 50 posts to be more mature than some of our senior 3000+ posts posters. I've personally talked with RSC verterans, as you may have read in the main post, and they are eye witnesses. What I say in my main post comes from people who joined in 2001.

 

 

 

 

 

Vaskor-

 

 

 

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ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Ãâadjective 1. of the nature of or involving gross injury or wrong: an outrageous slander.

 

2. grossly offensive to the sense of right or decency: outrageous behavior; an outrageous remark.

 

3. passing reasonable bounds; intolerable or shocking: an outrageous price.

 

4. violent in action or temper.

 

5. highly unusual or unconventional; extravagant; remarkable: a child of the most outrageous precocity; a fancy dive performed with outrageous ease.

[TheWilch]

its degrading because all the ... il just say f2p people, have merged into the p2p section and now its full of locked topics, re-created topics, and the good old pointless topics.

[Mr_Hyde1218]

no offense to the TIF crewbies, but i think the so called "hot topics" definitely helped in the deterioration of the quality of our beloved forums. now people are wanting to just make a topic that'll get a lot of post counts, and stupid questions/"A or B?" topics are what stupid people (which outnumber the more intellectual) want.

 

 

 

i also think that the combining of General and General P2P added to the problem.

[TheWilch]

 

 

 

i also think that the combining of General and General P2P added to the problem.

 

 

 

=D> yaaay

 

 

 

i say we start some revolution to bring p2p back to tip.

[Viv]

most of the cool people are in debate club but the one word topics are what i usually reply to sadly cause its just easier than typing a whole long post. But maybe tipit should pick a discuassion topic instead of a lame question topic for the Hot Topic because i think people make these just to get nominated for a Hot Topic. and people in general used to always make the question topics but now more people are replying with the merged boards.

[Wachtwoord]

I always like to find a solution rather then just complaining about it.

 

My solution is that you must have reached a certain post count before you'd be able to make a new topic, I'd say around 200/300. Most of those "annoying" topics are made by those whit lower post counts. Yes, I know there are good topics made by lower post counts. Yes, I know there are stupid topics made by higher post counts. But most of the topics are made by such people.

 

 

 

And please, instead of just whining how bad it had become, try to give a solution. I've heard this problem pretty often now, but hardly any good solutions.

[Itsjustagame]

You have only been here for a short time.

 

 

 

Back in the scapeboard days tip.it was a booming society for high lvls.

 

 

 

All clan discussions and etc were posted on scapeboard not rsc and there were many discussions. However your 4years too late. I joined tip.it in late 2001 and i remember when there was a list of all runescape clans on tip.it. Things change, rs secrets are discovered and rs has become a game which is for annoying little kids.

 

 

 

thank you.

 

finally someone who is also a little tired with people from 2005 and up complaining about the community.

 

 

 

It doesn't matter when I joined tip.it, I know what I'm talking about. That's like saying someone with more posts than another user is always more mature, for example. That's completely wrong, I've seen people with 50 posts to be more mature than some of our senior 3000+ posts posters. I've personally talked with RSC verterans, as you may have read in the main post, and they are eye witnesses. What I say in my main post comes from people who joined in 2001.

 

 

 

 

 

Vaskor-

 

 

 

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ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Ãâadjective 1. of the nature of or involving gross injury or wrong: an outrageous slander.

 

2. grossly offensive to the sense of right or decency: outrageous behavior; an outrageous remark.

 

3. passing reasonable bounds; intolerable or shocking: an outrageous price.

 

4. violent in action or temper.

 

5. highly unusual or unconventional; extravagant; remarkable: a child of the most outrageous precocity; a fancy dive performed with outrageous ease.

 

 

 

yeah, hi?

 

I joined in 2001 pal.

 

 

 

You miss my point completely. Everyone who seems to be complaining about the community these days are the people who joined when it was already bad, aka 2005 and up. Certain mods agree with me when I say that you all have nothing to be complaining about. It's the ones who were around back in 2001 who should complain, as it's you guys who ruined everything.

 

 

 

Curse you, miniclip and any other site like it.

[nicrune007]

Hmmm... i only notice this decline at 2006

 

Yeah i remember in the past it was better but i dont really post much last time.

 

 

 

Anyway without many topics it would be kinda boring IMO

 

 

 

 

 

Also, IM A DEMON VANQUISHER!!! 2001th Posts!! woot

[hellbellz]

 

Anyway without many topics it would be kinda boring IMO

 

 

Take out all of the question topics, and maybe we'll have some debatable topics. In those you can be there for a while trying to prove your statement correct without Satenza proving it wrong. :x

[highlanders]

Pointless posts don't bother me as much the attitude of people though. I'm part of a few friendly forums, I know how it feels to be on a friendly forum, and tip.it is not a friendly forum.

[hellbellz]

Pointless posts don't bother me as much the attitude of people though. I'm part of a few friendly forums, I know how it feels to be on a friendly forum, and tip.it is not a friendly forum.

Care to tell me what exactly [/i]is[/i] a friendly forum?

[highlanders]

You will know it when you'll be on one. In a nutshell, inexistant flamming, in debates people are very respecful of your opinion, when people make posts about their problems people help them and cheer them up instead of saying something "it's life, if you're not tuff enough for it too bad for you" like we hear here constantly, people talk to eachothers instead of just leaving their block of text and going away (lots of discussion), etc.

[nicrune007]

 

Anyway without many topics it would be kinda boring IMO

 

 

Take out all of the question topics, and maybe we'll have some debatable topics. In those you can be there for a while trying to prove your statement correct without Satenza proving it wrong. :x

 

 

 

Yeah very true... i think i have probably answered all the question asked twice in the forums.

 

And who is satenza?

[Wachtwoord]

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You have only been here for a short time.

 

 

 

Back in the scapeboard days tip.it was a booming society for high lvls.

 

 

 

All clan discussions and etc were posted on scapeboard not rsc and there were many discussions. However your 4years too late. I joined tip.it in late 2001 and i remember when there was a list of all runescape clans on tip.it. Things change, rs secrets are discovered and rs has become a game which is for annoying little kids.

 

 

 

thank you.

 

finally someone who is also a little tired with people from 2005 and up complaining about the community.

 

 

 

It doesn't matter when I joined tip.it, I know what I'm talking about. That's like saying someone with more posts than another user is always more mature, for example. That's completely wrong, I've seen people with 50 posts to be more mature than some of our senior 3000+ posts posters. I've personally talked with RSC verterans, as you may have read in the main post, and they are eye witnesses. What I say in my main post comes from people who joined in 2001.

 

 

 

 

 

Vaskor-

 

 

 

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ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Ãâadjective 1. of the nature of or involving gross injury or wrong: an outrageous slander.

 

2. grossly offensive to the sense of right or decency: outrageous behavior; an outrageous remark.

 

3. passing reasonable bounds; intolerable or shocking: an outrageous price.

 

4. violent in action or temper.

 

5. highly unusual or unconventional; extravagant; remarkable: a child of the most outrageous precocity; a fancy dive performed with outrageous ease.

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yeah, hi?

 

I joined in 2001 pal.

 

 

 

You miss my point completely. Everyone who seems to be complaining about the community these days are the people who joined when it was already bad, aka 2005 and up. Certain mods agree with me when I say that you all have nothing to be complaining about. It's the ones who were around back in 2001 who should complain, as it's you guys who ruined everything.

 

 

 

Curse you, miniclip and any other site like it.

 

I wonder how come I have heard these kind of complaints for only 2-3 months now and not since I joined.

[mario_sunny]

You have only been here for a short time.

 

 

 

Back in the scapeboard days tip.it was a booming society for high lvls.

 

 

 

All clan discussions and etc were posted on scapeboard not rsc and there were many discussions. However your 4years too late. I joined tip.it in late 2001 and i remember when there was a list of all runescape clans on tip.it. Things change, rs secrets are discovered and rs has become a game which is for annoying little kids.

 

 

 

thank you.

 

finally someone who is also a little tired with people from 2005 and up complaining about the community.

 

 

 

It doesn't matter when I joined tip.it, I know what I'm talking about. That's like saying someone with more posts than another user is always more mature, for example. That's completely wrong, I've seen people with 50 posts to be more mature than some of our senior 3000+ posts posters. I've personally talked with RSC verterans, as you may have read in the main post, and they are eye witnesses. What I say in my main post comes from people who joined in 2001.

 

 

 

 

 

Vaskor-

 

 

 

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ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Ãâadjective 1. of the nature of or involving gross injury or wrong: an outrageous slander.

 

2. grossly offensive to the sense of right or decency: outrageous behavior; an outrageous remark.

 

3. passing reasonable bounds; intolerable or shocking: an outrageous price.

 

4. violent in action or temper.

 

5. highly unusual or unconventional; extravagant; remarkable: a child of the most outrageous precocity; a fancy dive performed with outrageous ease.

 

 

 

yeah, hi?

 

I joined in 2001 pal.

 

 

 

You miss my point completely. Everyone who seems to be complaining about the community these days are the people who joined when it was already bad, aka 2005 and up. Certain mods agree with me when I say that you all have nothing to be complaining about. It's the ones who were around back in 2001 who should complain, as it's you guys who ruined everything.

 

 

 

Curse you, miniclip and any other site like it.

 

 

 

No, I didn't miss your point at all. I talked with people who joined in 2001, so really it's like they're complaining in my main post. I joined in 2005 but does that mean that the community has not gotten worse than today? I do have something to complain about, and I have a right to complain about it, no one can ever take that away from me as long as it doesn't break the rules.

 

 

 

Moderators are just players like us with a special previlage, don't go and assume all the mods will agree with your point.

 

 

 

as it's you guys who ruined everything.

 

 

 

Please, I am doing this for your own protection, delete this sentence, it will offend a large amount of people. Try re-wording it, but don't assume everyone who joined in 2005-2007 ruined the game.

[Vaskor]

 

Vaskor-

 

 

 

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ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Ãâadjective 1. of the nature of or involving gross injury or wrong: an outrageous slander.

 

2. grossly offensive to the sense of right or decency: outrageous behavior; an outrageous remark.

 

3. passing reasonable bounds; intolerable or shocking: an outrageous price.

 

4. violent in action or temper.

 

5. highly unusual or unconventional; extravagant; remarkable: a child of the most outrageous precocity; a fancy dive performed with outrageous ease.

 

 

 

Thanks!

 

English is my second language :wall:

 

I haven't heard this meaning of 'outrageous' before...

[Mirror]

Finally a topic I think I should post on. Most of you know that I have quit RS/Tip.it because of this reason. The leaders of the forum that I used to look up to are gone whether it was Shiva, Oergg, or someone else, it doesn't matter, it is not the same, and it will never be the same. I am not a RSC veteran but I played it along side RS2 back when I joined in 2004. (Just so Clippersboy gets off my case =P)

 

 

 

I used to have the greatest times hanging out with people knowing who people were and what not. Now I had to keep my private on to friends only because of random people pming me and it is a wp. I dont even know who that guy was. There are alot of pointless topics being started in these boards but I guess thats what people have moved to. I just am not a fan of that anymore after recently I felt rejected when I had to add something to a topic. "What cape goes with what outfit?" topic and he wanted pictures so I took a picture of my QP cape with Eldinis Robes and I was told to get a matching outfit. I don't know why but that angered me. Once again, it just is not the same anymore, to my liking that is.

 

 

 

I dont know if there is a way to solve this. Create a new board for "veterans" perked my interest but is just a wish which I dont think would become a possibility. I think that it just evolved to become this way and if you don't like, then I guess you are out. How much I hate to agree to it, I kinda do. I got pushed out of the community that I so dearly loved. But I have to back up some people from this new community. I see great leaders in this new group that will go far. It is just so hard to find them. Back in the day it was not hard with so fewer people but now it is with the mass of people. Don't lose all hope because hopefully those new leaders will try and keep what I remember a reality that I could perhaps come back to.

[PastyGangsta]

 

 

 

Tip it still beats the official forums by far, so I'll stick around. :thumbsup:

 

 

 

Is that an accomplishment? The official forums are a corrupt cesspool, now. Regardless, I do think this place needs a bit of policing.

 

 

 

Official forums are a bit corrupt... and other fansites forums are full of cheaters and morons. Like RuneHQ says they dont support buying gold even though they have all the adds up and they ignored it for 5 years until recently when they put up a disclaimer...

[Itsjustagame]

 

yeah, hi?

 

I joined in 2001 pal.

 

 

 

You miss my point completely. Everyone who seems to be complaining about the community these days are the people who joined when it was already bad, aka 2005 and up. Certain mods agree with me when I say that you all have nothing to be complaining about. It's the ones who were around back in 2001 who should complain, as it's you guys who ruined everything.

 

 

 

Curse you, miniclip and any other site like it.

 

I wonder how come I have heard these kind of complaints for only 2-3 months now and not since I joined.

 

 

 

Uh, probably because mods delete the threads minutes after they're made?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No, I didn't miss your point at all. I talked with people who joined in 2001, so really it's like they're complaining in my main post. I joined in 2005 but does that mean that the community has not gotten worse than today? I do have something to complain about, and I have a right to complain about it, no one can ever take that away from me as long as it doesn't break the rules.

 

 

 

Moderators are just players like us with a special previlage, don't go and assume all the mods will agree with your point.

 

 

 

as it's you guys who ruined everything.

 

 

 

Please, I am doing this for your own protection, delete this sentence, it will offend a large amount of people. Try re-wording it, but don't assume everyone who joined in 2005-2007 ruined the game.

 

 

 

You don't even know how hard I laughed at that last bit.

 

Like seriously, it was hard, and out loud.

 

 

 

You really think I care if I offend anyone? If I cared, id post a "yeah, way to go!!" post on everything and go join your lame forum games. Hurray for community bonding!! Oh wait, we don't have that anymore, because everyone is a twit.

 

 

 

I wasn't even talking about RS, I meant the forums. Forums have been downhill since rs2's release, and will continue to go downhill.

 

 

 

You have no right to complain because you joined after the forum was even good. I don't even kniw what you'd complain about anyway...going from a bad forum to an even worse forum? OMG!

[Evrae]

Part of the problem is that there are too many topics that people post a single answer to. They don't bother to read the other posts, and don't bother to have a discussion, even if it is just to disagree very strongly with someone.

 

As I am about to do.

 

 

 

Just because someone joined later, or is younger, or has a low post count, or is f2p, does not mean they are inferior. There is too much of that at the moment.

 

 

 

...aka 2005 and up... as it's you guys who ruined everything.

 

 

 

I saw someone basically imply that all f2p are lazy, worthless idiots. The prolific use of the '10 year old' put down.

 

 

 

All these things are pretty cheap. They don't explain anything,and they are ill thought out and illogical. By making such generalisations, without clarification or explanation are insulting everyone in that group who doesn't exhibit that behaviour.

 

 

 

Don't you want to encourage good traits in those groups of people, instead of instantly condemning? With such language you are giving no incentive for people to be responsible - as they will still be branded as inferior.

 

 

 

For another thing, why should longer established players be superior due to accident of timing. I discovered RS later than you. Does that make me inferior? I discovered it through miniclip. Does that make me inferior? The answer to both is no.

 

 

 

Having said that, I have noticed that the Tip.It forums have declined sometime during the past few months. I don't know why. I don't think anyone really does - its just one of those things. Maybe in a year they will be great again

[Wisp]

I agree, most of the posts are getting to be similiar to others, or non interesting, and whatever. I liked it more when i joined on my first tif account...

[Panic_Pants]

The forum might be degrading a bit, I can see that happening. I've only been a posting member of the forums since early 2006, but part of the problem is the GAME'S fanbase In my opinion. If you've noticed how things have been getting 'easier' to progress, and the overall shift in targeted base of individuals to the younger set by jagex, it's not hard to imagine that communities of the game will suffer from the 'newbie crowd.' I say suffer on the intellectual standpoint, because in my experience (coming from a first-person perspective, me as a 6th grader and me now) the younger set are going to pump out more simple-minded topics because few kids really want to think introspectively about things. Is it something to blame? Not them for their nature, as if you think when you were 10,11,12 what was on your mind, definitely not some ingame economy or the psychological aspect of leveling, but probably just to talk. I wouldn't go around blaming the kids for being inherently children (kinda their job, eh?) but it certainly may be part of the problem of the degrading quality that comes from inexperienced minds.

 

 

 

A solution you ask? Strict age limits. HAH, I'd hate to say it back then, but from what I see it might help. The subject of lying about age is easy, as often people slip up and tell their real age, and then get Banned. Stricter modding is another option (and less profiled as we're not thinning the community by a stereotype.) If neither of these work, then maybe just making a new forum. An option, but would it be worth leaving Tip.it? The choice is yours. As for the above choices, the administration, I feel if they wish to make the community more intellectual, should choose one or both.

 

 

 

 

 

There's my 45 cents

[raylifes]

I have had the feeling that the forums were getting worse for a long while now. A lot of people say that it started this year, or a year ago, but I feel it has been going on for a far longer time. As I have stated in other topics through time, I was what you call a lurker. I never posted, just read. From time to time I have posted sometimes, but never a lot. I would only post when I had something to contribute and not post stupid things like: I agree.

 

 

 

For some time I have been wondering why I feel tip.it is not what it used to be. Of course I realise that everything changes with time, but tip.it changed for the worse in my opinion. I could never really put my finger on it why this happened, but I think I know now. I'm not saying this is the same for everyone, it might only be the same for a very small amount of people on tif, but at least it's the way I feel.

 

 

 

Tif has lost its personal touch. It's like the difference between schools. Some schools (one school I went to was this way) are very personal. You have classes of a max of 15 people, usually a bit lower then 15, and because of that the teachers really know who you are, what problems you may have and how to help you. The other kind is the factory school, where you have a classroom of 30 or more people with a teacher just telling the same standard story he has for years, without really having any idea of who the children are.

 

 

 

I still can't give the full reason, because I don't know it myself, but this is a large part of the problem. Tif just doesn't feel very personal to me anymore. In the old days (I'm really starting to sound like a bitter old man now :oops: ) I knew almost everyone. Not personally, I knew almost no one on tif, but I could recognize almost everyone. I knew a bit of their story. These days I know only a small portion of the community. You could argue this is because the community is so large, but I do not agree. It's because in my opinion 80% of all posts on tif are junk, simple as that.

 

 

 

I remember someone's name, avatar or signature if they post something interresting, something worth remembering and I'm sad to say most posts these days aren't. And it isn't just ordinary spam either. Back in the old days you had spam too, of course, but if a post wasn't spam, it usually was worth reading. These days topics are so filled with useless posts, it's not worth reading anymore. If you agree with a topic or post, it's alright to say so, but don't just say: 'I agree.' Tell us why, which points do you agree with and which points do you not agree with, why don't you agree with it.

 

 

 

I don't really find it interresting to know randomdude5783 agrees that runescape is filled with noobs. If he feels so, I would like to know why. This way we can really discuss things. There's another problem: Discussions don't really exist anymore. Once in a while, some good discussion comes along and it's really worth reading through, but in a little while it disappears under the huge pile of topics like, 'The "Best-Skill-Cape-Outfit" Contest 2.0 (ALL CAPES WELCOME)', 'What Do U Do While Playing Runescape?', 'the funniest rare a noob tried to sell', 'Best place for reaping HYT's?' (wtf?) and I could go on for some time. I'm a bit (only a small bit) sorry if I offended someone by placing the name of their topic, but this is the way I feel and these topics are good examples.

 

 

 

If I could, I would post the perfect solution and everything would be okay again, but the sad truth is, there isn't a perfect solution (or at least I can't think of it). It's not just tif that declines with time. There is this dutch runescape clan, named rsr. In my opinion it's a noobish clan, but I am proud to say I have been part of it, because it had a great forum which was a lot of fun to read. I haven't visited it in a very long time, because the same thing happened, it lost its personal touch. Great and kind people left, stopped playing runescape and thus left the clan. There was this guy, Drass. I realise this example doesn't mean much to the people here, because you don't know him, but he was a great leader, a lot of fun to hang around with. There was/(maybe is) this topic where you could only post at night and this was my favourite topic, since I'm a night person. Drass would almost always be online at night and we would have nice conversations on that topic.

 

 

 

But people leave and with them a part of the community disappears (I don't mean this literally). A good and sad example is Shiva. He was in my opinion a great person, he was so kind to everyone. He replied even the dumbest questions with a kind and serious anwser. When he died, tif lost something valueable that couldn't be replaced. And a lot of the great people who made tif what it is today have left.

 

 

 

I still enjoy reading the bits on tif that are worth reading and will continue to do so, but with time I feel more and more that tif will never be what it used to be.

 

 

 

Good day to you all and sorry for the long post. :lol:

[Ran_Martin]

As I have stated in other topics through time, I was what you call a lurker. I never posted, just read. From time to time I have posted sometimes, but never a lot.

 

 

 

what is exactly what i have done.

 

i think that, Nowadays people don't give other people chance to gain respect and be.. i don't want to say famous but that is what i mean.

 

for example:

 

Person nr.1: "Yay i got 99 herblore!" (which is ÃÆÃâÃâüberhard IMO..)

 

person nr.1: "so what, zezima has ALL 99!"

 

 

 

of course, rs isn't all about "Rich, fame and respect", but as mario said somelike that "There should be high levels, for people to look up to, to say 'oh its lightning!'."

 

 

 

but people don't look anyone else up except themselves. (I DON'T mean everyone, and yes, i admit that i have done that couple times myself.)

 

 

 

in other words:

 

1. High levels, don't be so.. "i think only myself" - good for example Wakka.

 

2. noobs, appreciate the high levels, don't call them noobs because they surely aren't.

 

3. All of us should have some more activities together, to get known to eachother more.

 

 

 

this is my opinion, My english isn't the best, so please, be welcome to correct my typing and ask me twice what i meant with each sentence before calling me a noob.