The degrading community

[Marco]

It's nice to see some of the Tip.it 'heavyweights' posting on this topic. :

 

 

 

Anyway, this is just the way things go. Runescape is expanding faster than it has ever do so before. More and more players are making accounts each day, and with that comes stupidity with the majority.

 

Runescape and Tip.it's communities are a good likeness to the way society in generaly is changing today, eh?

 

It happens with everything, Runescape and it's community used to be so good because it was small, not so well-known, and everybody knew eachother.

 

 

 

Now it seems everyone knows Zezima, and that's it. No, it wont get better. Jagex are letting the morons suckle on Runescape, it will slowly degrade and rot away, becoming remembered only for the pool of idiots that festered in Runescape's waters at the end. :|

 

 

 

*takes a break from my last 3 quests to go and visits Lummbridge swamps..*

[Macmaster92]

Although i was not one of the Rsc "veterans" I still find it sad to read about how it used to be in the old days. I would have loved to be there, I only wish i had found Rs sooner then i did.

 

 

 

Sadly things change, everyone hates change, but we must overcome the change with a little change of our own.

[Adam007]

I've seen a lot of great opinions so far. I'm not sure the community is really degrading. It's just different. There aren't big names like you mentioned anymore, and I see that as a problem. People don't really have anyone to look up to when making topics and posting. There aren't really role models anymore, but these boards used to have tons of them.

 

 

 

Instead the community has in my eyes become waves and waves of people who come and go. Which is pretty similar to how things used to be - it just seems like less people stick around and become these role model type figures. Maybe they go to other forums like DI where they have more freedom. Who knows.

 

 

 

I do agree that things are way different, and I'm usually one to claim it depends wholly on perspective, and that usually things do stay the same. With this forum though, I do think that overall the community has shifted in a different direction.

[mario_sunny]

The problem is that the community used to be so great! In classic, like stated, I could play and know almost everyone in my world, literally. Tip.It was the best place to go and look for any new information. Jagex Mods would roam, and you could talk to them. Now a days, people flood Jagex with some many demands and expectations that they don't have the time or will to walk through a croud of demanding scapers.

 

 

 

Classic was filled with mainly, more mature players. Scammers and autoers were non-existant. "Noobs" weren't noobs because in classic, no one was maxed out or to far ahead of all the other scapers. There wasn't room for bragging rights. The thing about classic was that it was such a new game, that newer kids couldn't get their hands on it. They couldn't be exposed to the latest game. That's where the problem started.

 

 

 

With more people, comes more problems. More people cause more complaints and more demands. More people makes the community lose the closeness they once had. I remember some worlds have 200 people on them, and I almost wouldn't want to go in there for fear there would be too many people! Now, 2000 people is the max. 10 times as much people for each world!

 

 

 

The fact of the matter is, once the game became more popular, more immature members came into this world. More scammers were born along with macroers. This all really happened when RS2 was released. Due to that, a lot of users quit for a long period of time. I for one hated the new graphics, my items didn't transfer, and the community that I grew to know and love was no longer a tight nit of people whom I knew. People found fast methods of leveling, thus, the word noob was used everyday.

 

 

 

Tip.It is still a great forum. There are still very mature users. I rarely post on General lately, mainly because I don't see anything to discuss. I still browse General, but rarely do I post. I don't feel that I should put input in on something so useless. So, I will rarely post on What your favorite... and whatnot which makes up most of this board. I like Help and Advice, although the topics in there have lately been a little wacko also. Blogscape is my main forum. I like to check out my blog and read others blog. There are many older users in that forum, thus, that is why I hang out there. I hope all goes well for this forum, but at the moment, it seems a little bit depressing to read and think back about how everything was different back in classic. It's just a different community that I still haven't totally adjusted to, and probably never will!

 

 

 

That's really sad to hear, thanks for sharing that with us though. It's nice to see an RSCer who can share his stories about the good times of the classic era. I dearly wish I was there to experience the once great community.

[Golvellius]

Jagex's Knowledge base killed fansites, not noobs.

 

Intelligent topics used to be how to do things and take advantage of updates etc since Jagex provided almost 0 information on anything.

 

Now, its all laid out in KB... so the only topics left to discuss are "noobs say the dumbest things:S:S:S:S:S!!!!!!!!!!", "hows my outfit??!!!!?!!?!:S", and "if you got some phree stuff what would you do?????/:P".

[Skolden]

I am another one of those people who don't post on the fourms much, but I simply watch the progress from time to time. Just watching the fourms and the way people change is startling, but I suppose times are changing. I just hope the tip.it community continues to have great leaders like it always has.

[mario_sunny]

Jagex's Knowledge base killed fansites, not noobs.

 

Intelligent topics used to be how to do things and take advantage of updates etc since Jagex provided almost 0 information on anything.

 

Now, its all laid out in KB... so the only topics left to discuss are "noobs say the dumbest things:S:S:S:S:S!!!!!!!!!!", "hows my outfit??!!!!?!!?!:S", and "if you got some phree stuff what would you do?????/:P".

 

 

 

That's quite an interesting theory, I never thought it that. Perhaps this is one of the main reasons contributing to the downgrading of this community? Nice thinking.

[jjrox32]

When I first came to Tip.it about a year back, general p2p was my favourite board. I liked it more than most other boards, but not now. I don't come by this board as often as I used to, now I stray more towards off topic and blogscape. A lot of the topics just don't look interesting to me now.

[Itsjustagame]

tip it/scapeboard from rsc was better is too many ways to mention.

 

Rs2 ruined this forum, which is why 99% of my posts are "frowned upon" by other posters.

 

 

 

Why do I do it? Why not? Why bother saying "omg u r cool! WTG with ur lvls!" or post something completely pointless just to get a post count, or to say what everyone else is saying? What ever happened to honesty? Being able to react to a mature post, even if it is a flame, without saying "OMG GROW UP AND LEAVE THESE FORUMS"?

 

 

 

I figured out that there is not going to be any good discussion like there used to be. Topics will always be lame, the active posters will always be lame, and will always take this game too seriously.

 

 

 

I changed my name from clippersboy to "Itsjustagame" when rs2 was released, because I knew that things were just going to get worse. Anyone who was around when I was really active (scapeboard) has never over-reacted to my posts. So everytime you say to me "omg grow up! Just say GJ and leave!" you might want to remember, I've been here years before you.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So that's my short rant. To put it in a sentence. Tip it basically blows...I only post to see how far kids these days will go to defend their nerd status.

[Ran_Martin]

tip.it Forums is THE place to be. been here alot, even tho i haven't been much posting, lately sent more replies tho (like this one).

 

maybe it is that not many people "dare" to reply, if they're scared for replying something stupid, like i did for awhile.

 

 

 

i think Tip.It should stay as it has been staying for long. and this might just be temporar. i don't think that tip.it will "fall" in ages.

 

 

 

never been to any tip.it events, they should be more.. "open". if you know what i mean. and i don't care if the population of forums is degrading for good, at least i'll be reading people stories here. :

[Unleasher10]

I disagree.

 

I haven't been around long enough to see the change happening, but I can tell you I wouldn't have liked RSC or the old Tip.it.

 

 

 

It sounds horrile to know everyone in the game by name. How did you sell your steel bars or your feathers? I love the sheer number of people in RS2 and the anonymity. If I knew the people that were mining with me know me and my friends and my net worth and my mining level, I just wouldn't feel as free to chat about random things with random people.

 

 

 

In Tip.it, I think that the number of people in Tip.it have brought a bigger amount of differing views and opinions. I agree that there are too many spammy topics though, but all we need to do to solve that is to update the spam rule to include topics that are poll-like and that offer no discussion potential.

 

EDIT: For example, here are some I found on the front page:

 

 

What cape do you mostly wear?

 

Favourite skill to train?

 

What do you collect?

 

What ss most used, natures or laws?

 

What is the best music in RS?

 

What have you learned in RS today?

 

How did you get your black marks?

 

What would the most useless item to have in rl be?

 

What would you say to your level 3 self?

 

What do you think of RS dating?

 

Nicest thing that ever happened to you?

 

 

I also disagree with the view that the new merged General board has anything to do with these. If you remember, 80% of the topics in the General P2P board were not P2P-specific. Also, the General F2P boards were also almost dead compared to General P2P. I think the merge is more of an elimination of General F2P and just a renaming of General P2P.

 

The old boards were also redundant, for example, did we have F2P Help and P2P Help? Blogscape F2P and Blogscape P2P? No. Why did we need the split for the General boards?

 

So what if there aren't role models, why do we need them? It's not as if it's hard to figure out how to be a good poster and we need other people to show us how.

 

 

 

For better or for worse, the number of people will only go up, until RS is finally abandoned and Jagex moves onto another game. If you don't like that, tough, but change happens.

[Matok]

Whats happening with RS is a very known phenomena which i usually reffer to as a "bar life cycle".

 

It starts when you find yourself a nice bar in the neighborhood. Good music,good vibes, gr8 people, not 2 crowdy,sexi atmosphere, perfect!!!.

 

After going there twice a week for a while you tell more friends about it.

 

Your friends,which also got hooked tell there friends about it.

 

This is the second circle. Those friends starts coming bringing their own friends as well. The place starts to be a little bit crowdy,but still,as i said , good vibes, sexi...

 

 

 

One of the friends' friends is a journalist. He writes about it in the local magazine and the place starts to be even more crowdy.

 

at this stage you are only going there once a week,still not adminitting that you are not enjoying yourself that much anymore.

 

A reporter from one of the big TV channles comes to analyze the hype surrounding the place.The buzz goes bigger.

 

The third cycle starts - people are galloping in.

 

At this stage, the bar owner already opened in the second floor a lounge bar, and filled the toilets with tempting mirrors....

 

 

 

One day you find that in order to get your beer you'll have to wait 30 minutes in line.You look for the owner,he knows you,sure he will let you in in no time.But no,the owner,eyes blinded by $$, looks right through you (mother ******)...finnaly you manage to stumble in,you find your friends packed in 1 sq meter space between the sofa and toilet.You swear you'll never go there again.

 

 

 

5 years later you stroll along the street ,hand in hand, with your girl (funny,she used to be a barman at that place),you dont go out too much these days,cafe,restaurant nothing heavy...as you walk near the place that once used to be your second home you see that its no longer there. Instead they open a new Mcdonalds there. you smile and go on...

[DarkDude]

I have to agree, these boards have gone down hill a lot recently and it's sad to see. The General P2P board was terrible before the merger so the merger IMO has nothing to do with the main problem althouh it's making it a little worse.

 

 

 

Most of my posts have come from the General P2P board, and most them offered interesting discussions on subjects, but recently, there's just been no topics to discuss things on.

 

 

 

Glad I'm not the only one who's been thinking this though.

[Danqazmlp]

To be really truthful yeah it is, I myself have stopped coming on

 

but the main reason for that is I don't like the new General Discussion

 

I miss my General P2P, just puts me off posting.. :cry:

 

 

 

I don't think the organisation of the boards has anything, if not little, to do with the problem.

I think general p2p usually had more intelligent discussions. I also hate how quickly a topic can die now that the board moves twice as fast.

 

 

 

But yes, I do agree. Topics are getting worse and most of the "leaders" are retiring.

 

 

 

Tip it still beats the official forums by far, so I'll stick around. :thumbsup:

 

 

 

 

 

Yup, i agree with everything said in these 2 posts.

 

 

 

I've been a forum browser here for nearly 2 years, and it has been ever so slightly going downhill. OR HAS IT?

 

 

 

Maybe the people who are noticing the changes are the people changing? growing older and wiser, feeling more and more misplaced. Maybe the core of the community is staying the same, and just not growing with the older users, making it seem like its changing, when infact the older users are the ones changing.

 

 

 

Even with that said, the Debate forum is were its at now for the intelligent threads now imo.

[Kevin_]

Jagex's Knowledge base killed fansites, not noobs.

 

Intelligent topics used to be how to do things and take advantage of updates etc since Jagex provided almost 0 information on anything.

 

Now, its all laid out in KB... so the only topics left to discuss are "noobs say the dumbest things:S:S:S:S:S!!!!!!!!!!", "hows my outfit??!!!!?!!?!:S", and "if you got some phree stuff what would you do?????/:P".

 

 

 

That's quite an interesting theory, I never thought it that. Perhaps this is one of the main reasons contributing to the downgrading of this community? Nice thinking.

 

 

 

Not it isn't, this is general discussion, here you discuss, he's talking about providing information, this board is at the moment filled with question topics, A or B questions and other things, the worst part is that they return every month. We need discussions, not topics like that, every hot-topic i've seen was one of those topics, shoulnd be like that.

 

 

 

Jagex's Knowledge base killed fansites, not noobs.

 

 

 

From what i've seen, RSC is still doing very good, allthough i haven't heard anything from Runevillage and Runehq anymore, but that's 100% not the reason that our community has degraded.

[Goldenjkered]

Ye, I completly agree with you mario, as if you look at the current posts on the general disscussion, over half the topics are pointless, and post count uppers (if you know what i mean). Too many have been things like 'What cape do you wear?' and 'Whats you favourite skill?'. Truth be told, no one actually cares what your favoutite skill is or what cape you wear, and to be honest, why should they?

[hyjack01]

Matok's/Shavital's parable about the lifecycle of pubs/clubs explains a lot about the current TIP forum.

 

 

 

I read this forum almost 2 years before I became a member and can confirm the ever increasing stupidity and immaturity of many new posters during the last few years (like in rs itself....) If I would have known an alternative with a mature (and only mature!) community, I would have been gone already.. Maybe silly, because the Tip-website is great and the crew is doing a wonderful job. But to me the new average tip-iter looks more and more like a 13 year old schoolboy filling his RSdays with PCing and in the meantime flooding this forum with posts like mentioned previously.. The single times these kids have an opinion or advice it's often based on rumours and not on facts and therefore mostly useless.... I can't blame them really, after all, they are still kids. However, in rl communities I can find places without kids if I need to. Here it is not possible anymore.

 

 

 

Following the parable I could suggest a membership by invitation or a minimum age limit (like pubs/clubs often do in order to maintain there 'high' standards and thus not following Shavital's lifecycle), though I'm pretty sure this will never happen here.

 

 

 

So, anyone knows where old school&older&mature players go?

[Jimmyw3000]

Quite. Anyway, I think to help new users should only post topics that have some meaning instead of stupid things they didn't think of like "1 million exp or 1 million gp."

 

 

 

Hey!! that's my topic. :evil:

 

 

 

Anyway, i know it was kinda nooby but i was new to all this. Furthermore, i do think that tha tip.it forums are a lot better than the runescape forums because f2pers like myself can post here where as we cant on the official forums.

[mario_sunny]

Matok's/Shavital's parable about the lifecycle of pubs/clubs explains a lot about the current TIP forum.

 

 

 

I read this forum almost 2 years before I became a member and can confirm the ever increasing stupidity and immaturity of many new posters during the last few years (like in rs itself....) If I would have known an alternative with a mature (and only mature!) community, I would have been gone already.. Maybe silly, because the Tip-website is great and the crew is doing a wonderful job. But to me the new average tip-iter looks more and more like a 13 year old schoolboy filling his RSdays with PCing and in the meantime flooding this forum with posts like mentioned previously.. The single times these kids have an opinion or advice it's often based on rumours and not on facts and therefore mostly useless.... I can't blame them really, after all, they are still kids. However, in rl communities I can find places without kids if I need to. Here it is not possible anymore.

 

 

 

Following the parable I could suggest a membership by invitation or a minimum age limit (like pubs/clubs often do in order to maintain there 'high' standards and thus not following Shavital's lifecycle), though I'm pretty sure this will never happen here.

 

 

 

So, anyone knows where old school&older&mature players go?

 

 

 

It would be a great suggestion, but unfortunately tip.it cannot tell if people are lying about their age; just like jagex with their 13+ age limit. Joining the 'mature' group you suggest though could work if the requirements were actually based on how mature people think you are opposed to your 'age'.

 

 

 

I thought up another idea to improve these boards. We can't totally eliminate the "who's your favorite god?" question topics, but we can separate them from the other topics. Take the general boards for example, all 'question' topics could be moved to an entirely different forum(question topic forum, I don't know I need a better name). All other topics could stay in the general boards, and I think that would drastically raise the maturity level of the discussions in the general boards without eliminiating it's popularity. Most people don't want these question topics right? That's already been proven with nearly 100% people in this topic, so it's obvious the new general boards would be just as, perhaps slightly less, popular than the old one. Along with that this change would also please those who wish to discuss matters in question topics, they would have a separate forum.

[Celestrana]

Here's my 2GP:

 

 

 

There are far too many posters who post before they think about what they're about to write, thus generating disgustingly high quantities of written diarrhea. Some posters are so close minded to new ideas that the only forms of responses that they post are negative, unproductive in terms of generating further discussion and just plain equine manuare. Then there are posters who totally lack any form of eloquence and whatever they post offends particular groups of people and turns into a flame war.

 

 

 

I don't mind people who can't spell or write grammatical decent sentences or use "1337" speak in their posts; maybe they just aren't familiar enough or well practiced or think "1337" speak is cool. It's the people that I described above that I *do* mind and should stick their collective feet into their collective mouths.

[mario_sunny]

Here's my 2GP:

 

 

 

There are far too many posters who post before they think about what they're about to write, thus generating disgustingly high quantities of written diarrhea. Some posters are so close minded to new ideas that the only forms of responses that they post are negative, unproductive in terms of generating further discussion and just plain equine manuare. Then there are posters who totally lack any form of eloquence and whatever they post offends particular groups of people and turns into a flame war.

 

 

 

I don't mind people who can't spell or write grammatical decent sentences or use "1337" speak in their posts; maybe they just aren't familiar enough or well practiced or think "1337" speak is cool. It's the people that I described above that I *do* mind and should stick their collective feet into their collective mouths.

 

 

 

 

 

Well said, very well said =D>

[retaxis2]

You have only been here for a short time.

 

 

 

Back in the scapeboard days tip.it was a booming society for high lvls.

 

 

 

All clan discussions and etc were posted on scapeboard not rsc and there were many discussions. However your 4years too late. I joined tip.it in late 2001 and i remember when there was a list of all runescape clans on tip.it. Things change, rs secrets are discovered and rs has become a game which is for annoying little kids.

[Bludragon124]

To be really truthful yeah it is, I myself have stopped coming on

 

but the main reason for that is I don't like the new General Discussion

 

I miss my General P2P, just puts me off posting.. :cry:

 

 

 

I think that the new format just helps junky topics go to the lower pages and die, as a sort of "natural selection" type of thing, except in forums :o

[Vaskor]

An enormous amount of users are on tip.it seconds after an update comes out. It's outrageous, and I doubt even half of those members are actually tip.iters, most likely people from other fansites.

 

 

 

Maybe a bit aside from the main discussion, but could you please clarify why it is outrageous that people from all over Runescape world (and other fan sites) come to Tip.it for new updates? I think it is great. It shows that Tip.it does deliver one of the best (and probably the best services to RS players).

 

I personally do not consider myself a part of Tip.it community (too new here and I am a member of other sites), but as a player Tip.it usually the first place where I go for guides/quests/calculators and such. Why is it outrageous?

[Itsjustagame]

You have only been here for a short time.

 

 

 

Back in the scapeboard days tip.it was a booming society for high lvls.

 

 

 

All clan discussions and etc were posted on scapeboard not rsc and there were many discussions. However your 4years too late. I joined tip.it in late 2001 and i remember when there was a list of all runescape clans on tip.it. Things change, rs secrets are discovered and rs has become a game which is for annoying little kids.

 

 

 

thank you.

 

finally someone who is also a little tired with people from 2005 and up complaining about the community.