Homosexuality: Right or Wrong?

[sprites]

What do you guys think about Carl Paladinos statements that

"...homosexuality is not an equally valid and successful option."

In effect he's comparing homosexuals to second class citizens, and yet says he opposes all discrimination. Doesn't he realise that kind of ignorance is what's making lives for gay people harder?

[Alg]

Context? Not making a judgment on what may well be a quote mine.

[Utopia]

Unappealing, but there's nothing wrong with it. :wink:

[sprites]

sorry here is the original link http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/11/nyregion/11paladino.html He was speaking to orthodox jewish leaders during his campaign for NY governer.

[Dupin]

This morning my radio alarm played some talk show, and the people were discussing Paladino's remark. I can't remember how it related, but they said the Gay Pride Parade creates a hostile environment for raising children. It was full of generalizations and random ignorance, but it did make me a bit curious. One woman talked on and on about how there are gay men in the streets with no pants on and guys making out. Now, I don't believe that, but is there truth in the claim that these events promote PDA which many would find hostile (whether homo or hetero)?

 

 

It may have been in another thread, but I remember Saru saying he disliked promiscuous gays, but not flamboyant ones, and disliked gays who hate the flamboyant ones. I understand how the former would give homosexuals a bad reputation, but wouldn't the super-public ones do the same? They contribute to stereotypes, and often create the uncomfortable feelings many people associate with gays.

[obfuscator]

This morning my radio alarm played some talk show, and the people were discussing Paladino's remark. I can't remember how it related, but they said the Gay Pride Parade creates a hostile environment for raising children. It was full of generalizations and random ignorance, but it did make me a bit curious. One woman talked on and on about how there are gay men in the streets with no pants on and guys making out. Now, I don't believe that, but is there truth in the claim that these events promote PDA which many would find hostile (whether homo or hetero)?

 

 

It may have been in another thread, but I remember Saru saying he disliked promiscuous gays, but not flamboyant ones, and disliked gays who hate the flamboyant ones. I understand how the former would give homosexuals a bad reputation, but wouldn't the super-public ones do the same? They contribute to stereotypes, and often create the uncomfortable feelings many people associate with gays.

I agree with this.

 

I understand the desire to have the parade, since obviously gays have been repressed for ages, and want to celebrate, but it doesn't help people accept them at all.

A lot of the stuff that happens in those parades I think is lewd and inappropriate regardless of the sexual orientation of those involved.

[sprites]

This morning my radio alarm played some talk show, and the people were discussing Paladino's remark. I can't remember how it related, but they said the Gay Pride Parade creates a hostile environment for raising children. It was full of generalizations and random ignorance, but it did make me a bit curious. One woman talked on and on about how there are gay men in the streets with no pants on and guys making out. Now, I don't believe that, but is there truth in the claim that these events promote PDA which many would find hostile (whether homo or hetero)?

 

 

It may have been in another thread, but I remember Saru saying he disliked promiscuous gays, but not flamboyant ones, and disliked gays who hate the flamboyant ones. I understand how the former would give homosexuals a bad reputation, but wouldn't the super-public ones do the same? They contribute to stereotypes, and often create the uncomfortable feelings many people associate with gays.

I'm not going to deny that those things happen during gay pride. But the point about having gay pride is that it celebrates freedom. Freedom to be open about your sexuality and I would fully support any other group that wanted a pride parade as well.*

 

*So long as it is not spewing hatred at anyone like KKK rallies

 

There is some controversy with bringing our children around these kinds of events. But kids are not stupid.. Most if not all have some concept of sex and sexuality. It seems silly to shield our children from learning there are gay people in the world.

[Iamdan]

Homosexuality itself cannot be overcome, but the act of it can. In that regard, it is the same as having a desire to steal and murder and rape, but not acting upon it. The thing that doesn't make logical sense to me though is why homosexuality is considered a sin or immoral in the first place. Strange? Maybe. Immoral? How so when it causes no harm? This only supports the theory that people use religion as a tool for power.

 

Stealing, murder and rape don't appear to be on maslow's hierarchy of needs.

[Alg]

Homosexuality itself cannot be overcome, but the act of it can. In that regard, it is the same as having a desire to steal and murder and rape, but not acting upon it. The thing that doesn't make logical sense to me though is why homosexuality is considered a sin or immoral in the first place. Strange? Maybe. Immoral? How so when it causes no harm? This only supports the theory that people use religion as a tool for power.

 

Stealing, murder and rape don't appear to be on maslow's hierarchy of needs.

Unless you're liberal with your definition of security, belonging, or esteem needs.

[Iamdan]

I'm not sure what you're saying there

[Alg]

Security: Killing the guy who's going to kill you

Esteem: Crime as power over victims

Belonging: Fitting into a criminal group?

[Iamdan]

Killing to save your own life is generally accepted as ok.

 

Criminal power and being in a criminal group are only a couple methods of many to achieve esteem and belonging.

 

My original point was that sex and love is important to humans. Cold blooded murder is not.

[Alg]

True.

[Saru Inc]

This morning my radio alarm played some talk show, and the people were discussing Paladino's remark. I can't remember how it related, but they said the Gay Pride Parade creates a hostile environment for raising children. It was full of generalizations and random ignorance, but it did make me a bit curious. One woman talked on and on about how there are gay men in the streets with no pants on and guys making out. Now, I don't believe that, but is there truth in the claim that these events promote PDA which many would find hostile (whether homo or hetero)?

 

 

It may have been in another thread, but I remember Saru saying he disliked promiscuous gays, but not flamboyant ones, and disliked gays who hate the flamboyant ones. I understand how the former would give homosexuals a bad reputation, but wouldn't the super-public ones do the same? They contribute to stereotypes, and often create the uncomfortable feelings many people associate with gays.

 

 

not naked, but yes, they do gyrate on poles in speedos a lot. WHICH WOULD GET PEOPLE PISSED EVEN IF THEY WERE STRAIGHT. That's my problem with the gay community, they think the rules don't apply to them.

 

And again, I don't dislike anyone for being who they are, I will get along great with some red neck kill all animals 400 lbs grit eating white dude; just as I will get along great with a cross-dressing transsexual, who believes all trees are spirits and wants to commune with all things nature. And I find it funny how people will hate someone for just being who they are. Now please, I think we all know I don't mean serial killers. But let flamboyant gays be flamboyant, and let hardcore all american gays be hardcore all american. Shiza.

 

 

to be honest though, despite my detest for the color pink, and not being superficial, I am the stereotype of a Gay man. I mean... I think that depends on your view of them, but for the majority... I'm numero uno.

[sprites]

But let flamboyant gays be flamboyant, and let hardcore all american gays be hardcore all american. Shiza.

I agree with Saru to live and let live. Nothing wrong with being flamboyant but I can also understand why some gays want to distance themselves from that stereotype. I don't want people to look at me and instantly think I'm gay.

EDIT: and I don't think thats hating ones own sexuality, I just find it unfitting with how I view myself. If that makes sense.

[Enamoured]

Right or Wrong?

 

...

 

Between consenting individuals above the age of consent, who the hell are you to judge?

 

not naked' date=' but yes, they do gyrate on poles in speedos a lot. WHICH WOULD GET PEOPLE PISSED EVEN IF THEY WERE STRAIGHT. That's my problem with the gay community, they think the rules don't apply to them.[/quote']

 

Because generally, historically (in the West, at least) homosexuality has been frowned upon, the gay pride movement is inherently a liberation ideology like say - Black Pride. As such, overt 'gay-ness' those events, reminds society as a whole that we're here and we're proud. It also highlights a certain double standard vis-a-vis hyper sexualisation of women/female bi sexuality, no?

 

I agree with Saru to live and let live. Nothing wrong with being flamboyant but I can also understand why some gays want to distance themselves from that stereotype. I don't want people to look at me and instantly think I'm gay.

 

EDIT: and I don't think thats hating ones own sexuality' date=' I just find it unfitting with how I view myself. If that makes sense.

[/quote']

 

I'm with you; the some folks within the gay community seems to feel that sexuality is a defining aspect of someone's identity. I'm sexually and romantically attracted to other men, but I don't identify myself as gay, it's just one aspect of who I am.

[Undo]

Girls -> Yay.

Guys -> Gay.

 

That pretty much summed up this whole Thread.

[Surprise]

Girls -> Yay.

Guys -> Gay.

 

That pretty much summed up this whole Thread.

 

That pretty much summed up the runescape community.

[Undo]

Girls -> Yay.

Guys -> Gay.

 

That pretty much summed up this whole Thread.

 

That pretty much summed up the runescape community.

 

Ya' know, I don't mind homos tbh. I just don't want em' around me.

God didn't create Adam & Steve, so therefore I'm pretty sure he didn't have the intention of other dudes taking it from eachother.

 

What it comes down to is, if you wanna' genuinely help populate the earth, doing it with the same gender just seems a little flawed.

Kudos to the couples who adopt, but I think it's still best to reproduce how god intended - With what he gave you, not your money.

 

Edit:

& For those who don't believe in God to begin with, I feel pretty bad for you.

Edited October 16, 2010 by Undo

[Surprise]

Girls -> Yay.

Guys -> Gay.

 

That pretty much summed up this whole Thread.

 

That pretty much summed up the runescape community.

 

Ya' know, I don't mind homos tbh. I just don't want em' around me.

God didn't create Adam & Steve, so therefore I'm pretty sure he didn't have the intention of other dudes taking it from eachother.

 

What it comes down to is, if you wanna' genuinely help populate the earth, doing it with the same gender just seems a little flawed.

Kudos to the couples who adopt, but I think it's still best to reproduce how god intended - With what he gave you, not your money.

 

Edit:

& For those who don't believe in God to begin with, I feel pretty bad for you.

 

If God really didn't want gay/lesbian people in the world he wouldn't have given us something called free will.

 

And to be honest populating is actually damaging God's creation so I think God may currently favour the Gays..

[Saru Inc]

Girls -> Yay.

Guys -> Gay.

 

That pretty much summed up this whole Thread.

 

That pretty much summed up the runescape community.

 

Ya' know, I don't mind homos tbh. I just don't want em' around me.

God didn't create Adam & Steve, so therefore I'm pretty sure he didn't have the intention of other dudes taking it from eachother.

 

What it comes down to is, if you wanna' genuinely help populate the earth, doing it with the same gender just seems a little flawed.

Kudos to the couples who adopt, but I think it's still best to reproduce how god intended - With what he gave you, not your money.

 

Edit:

& For those who don't believe in God to begin with, I feel pretty bad for you.

 

If God really didn't want gay/lesbian people in the world he wouldn't have given us something called free will.

 

And to be honest populating is actually damaging God's creation so I think God may currently favour the Gays..

 

 

God doesn't like murderers.

 

And Human's are God's creation.

 

Undo is still trolling either way, though.

[Alg]

Undo is still trolling either way, though.

This.

 

Also, the main reason it's a big deal is probably that whole us-them mentality that people seem to love. It's quite easy to hate something that's different rather than address a problem that actually matters, no? Apparently that was the case with segregation in the 'States for the better part of the country's history, where you had dirt poor white guys directing their anger at equally poor black guys so that they wouldn't question the fact that their life was still [cabbage]ty.

 

Except in this case it's people of the same race directing their anger at other people of the same race because they have better sex lives [citation needed].

[obfuscator]

Uhh yeah citation definitely needed on that one ;)

 

People don't like homosexuality for a few reasons as far as I've seen.

 

1) Moral or religious objection.

2) It's strange and unusual.

3) Because they've been doing it for most of history.

[Alg]

Uhh yeah citation definitely needed on that one ;)

Was a joke, I've been reading a bit too much Cracked lately, and they love pulling that one.

 

The main bit is why homosexuality is so condemned rather than, say, anything else that shows up in Leviticus.

[Saru Inc]

Or.... Us them mentality. We own all things awesome, while heteros don't. If it wasn't for homos there'd be no *style* in literally anything. Also, the world would be a cold grey.

 

 

 

Can you imagine...? :ohnoes: