Rule 15: Odd One Out?

[lewagold2]

Nice post, and... OH EM GEE JAGEX IS TRYING TO INFECT OUR COMPUTERS!

[Bard_Bow_Man]

Im f2p and I always block the adverts, so far they havn't caught me and I doubt they will. I dont use any third party sites just change in the internet settings.

 

 

 

The community is so small-minded nowadays. I remember when people used to urge each other to click on the ads so that Jagex would have some revenue for f2p. Now I see a ton of people boasting they play and cheat Jagex of their rightful revenue from their free service. Shame!

 

 

 

Why should ads be such a big deal? I hardly ever notice them.

 

 

 

So true. People should be more generous especially if they are f2p.

 

 

 

Oh yeah, lets go click all of the ads and see how long it takes to get adware, spyware or a virus! [/end sarcasm]

 

 

 

I don't actually break this rule. The adverts still show, but I resize my internet browser and then scroll down so the ads don't show. I find the ads distracting, distastefull and sometimes disgusting, so I don't want to see them.

 

 

 

Jagex can try to tell me what I can and can't do on my computer, but I don't have to listen.

[go461]

This is kinda funny cause I dont have adblock but u can just click the stop button on the top of the screen right before the ad loads, just time it right and it's just like p2p, no ads! I use firefox by the way. :D

 

 

 

EDIT: @ hoffman- I have firefox and all my ads load, your computer is just messed...

[titanic]

Ad's are for non-members. If you block them they lead to a perm. ban.

[SwreeTak]

I think that Jagex can detect it in some way, but I'm not sure of it. That's why I never block those ads.

[gspbeetle]

I never see advertisements, whether it be in SS or Mozilla, I just don't. Maybe it's because I'm just about always on Members and it's used to that way?

 

 

 

You must see adverts - you just con't take notice of them. Even members see adverts - there is one on Jagex homepage, one of high/low detail chouce screen and one on world select screen

 

 

 

 

 

Not if you have FireFox! =D>

 

 

 

stop hard selling firefox with myths.... firefox can load those ads perfectly

[Hi9im8Here7]

Well, I run Mozilla Firefox and I constantly use two extensions: Adblock and NoScript. I have probably broken this rule at least once in my RS career, and I have no blackmarks/bans to show for it. Which leads me to think that this rule can't really be enforced.

 

 

 

+1

 

 

 

i use adblock plus and it's always filtered out the ad's on runescape. To be honest, there's no way in hell i'm turning my filter off and leaving myself open to annoying ads, pop-ups and the like just to conform to this rule.

 

 

 

Same here. The adds not only slow down my browser, but some of them are rather questionable to the point where I don't want to look at them.

 

 

 

Rule 15 is nothing but a scare tactic. If they can't stop macroers what makes you think they can stop people that use firefox? :P

 

 

 

EDIT: Firefox has a special program called Adblocker plus that does this. You have to go to their website and download it or the ads will load like normal. It would also be a good idea to right click it once you have it and tell it to ignore Java applets.

[Will H]

I am almost 100% sure that rule 15 is simply a legal tool for Jagex, a technicality, simelar to the contract signing that you are over 13 when you create an account. That's the reason that Jagex never actually stated the latest addition to the Code of Conduct in the updates section. They can't enforce it, but by putting that rule there, they can appease the ad companies because Jagex thought that the companies normally do not check up on websites and make sure that the ads are getting through. However, this time I think they made an exeption, made a point to Jagex, and they replied by adding the rule. It would take an in-depth examination to see if they are actually enforcing it, and ad companies generally don't want to waste time and money going through that.

 

 

 

I remember when I discovered it shortly after release, and actually got people to notice the update on the forums and elsewhere, simply for fear of innocent accounts being banned for unknowingly breaking a rule, and ranting once about Jagex's refusal to post it in the updates section. :evil:

 

 

 

Unfortuantely Mods mis-read my message, thinking that I was against the rule, and locked the topic. :(

 

It annoyed me, but luckily I can almost safely say that it is unenforcable, and accounts are safe... for now.

[maxdout4life]

The thing is, the people that use adblocks in f2p are NOT little kids.

yes thats true kids dont know how to block ads, neither they click on it, id say the people who pay jagex for the ads are ripped

[dutycalls5609]

Well, I run Mozilla Firefox and I constantly use two extensions: Adblock and NoScript. I have probably broken this rule at least once in my RS career, and I have no blackmarks/bans to show for it. Which leads me to think that this rule can't really be enforced.

 

 

 

I use Opera, and I don't have ads there. It might be my Norton (cause I'm running Winblows, I need it) Adblocker.

 

 

 

See, the thing with JaGeX is they don't notice that most adblockers (not including the AdBlock Plus FF extension, which I loved before I stopped using FF, and similar) have odd ways to create exceptions. So basically it's block RuneScape ads, see ads everywhere, or turn it off just to play RuneScape.

 

 

 

And seriously, beyond that it's a waste of time, who would voluntarily subject themselves to such eloquence as Zwinky, the fart button, fake polls that look like interactive flash ads but are static link images, punch the paparazzi, and FREE SCREENSAVERS which either suck or are for perverts only!

[whocares]

[hide=Rule 15]

 

You must not deliberately block or hide the adverts which appear above the free version of our game.

 

 

 

If you have advert blocking software please prevent it from blocking adverts on our website. The adverts above the free game are what enable us to keep it free, after all!

 

 

 

Related Questions

 

Below are some related questions which may help you to further understand and follow this rule.

 

 

 

 

 

Why do we have this rule?

 

 

 

 

 

The adverts above the free-to-play version of RuneScape are what enable us to keep the free game running! The sponsors who show their adverts there are the ones paying for you to enjoy a free game in the first place, so please don't block them.

 

 

 

What if I find an advert to be offensive?

 

 

 

 

 

If you believe there is an offensive advert, please click on the Question-Mark "Icon" shown to the bottom right of the advert. This will pop up a window with instructions on how to report that advert.

 

 

 

Once we have this report, we can then look into the advert that is offending you, the last thing we want is for any of the advertising that we are supplied with to offend to our players.

 

 

 

What if adverts slow my PC down?

 

 

 

 

 

Certain animated adverts may cause your PC to slow down while they are displayed. This is because your computer is busy running the advert animation which gives it less time to run the game.

 

 

 

Most adverts don't cause any noticeable effect, but some with particularly complex animations may cause slowdown. To limit the effect that this has on your system, right click on the advert and under the quality heading, select low.

 

 

 

If there is an advert which is causing particularly bad slow down, even when you set it to low quality, then please report it to us. Click on the Question-Mark "Icon" shown to the bottom right of the advert. This will pop up a window with instructions on how to report that advert.

 

To keep RuneScape enjoyable for everyone please observe and follow this rule. We will not tolerate disruptive players, and if you break our rules your account is likely to be banned. Members who are banned for breaking our rules are not entitled to any sort of refund.

 

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My question concerns the italicized/bolded part of Rule 15. Can this rule even be enforced? Can Jagex/ad companies detect when players are blocking or hiding their ads?

 

 

 

Assuming that Jagex can detect players who block ads, do they carry the same penalties as breaking other rules? Will players get banned for simply blocking an ad, like the rule states?

 

 

 

Well jagex get payed for having the adds there. (i think)

 

Soo if they block the adds, no more f2p?

 

 

 

Thats my guess atleast.

 

 

 

Do you understand the purpose of ads. Jagex gets payed for displaying the ads, thus they make the money neccesary to keep F2P running.

[the_korny]

when I was F2P for a while, i would change the size of the window so the ad at the top wasn't showing while I was playing, this was before the creation of Rule 15

[Unleasher10]

no more f2p = no more little kids! Everybody block the adds!

 

 

 

**I am not saying f2p are little kids. I'm saying that most little kids aren't willing to pay for a game they dont check out first, because 5$ is a lot for them.

 

 

 

:o :o Are you not being "politically correct" as far as pointing out that yes, a lot of f2pers are little kids.

 

 

 

Cut out the infestation of little kids at the source and we'll have a better community. Get rid of f2p and this would do the job, its drastic and i don't expect it to happen, but if rs was a select a use ran business its what would happen

 

 

 

Great logic there, honestly. In fact, why don't you just grab an uzi and start murdering hobos as well? Statistics have shown that homeless people are more likely to participate in violent crime. Like you said, massacre the hobos! Yahoo!! \

 

Cut out the homeless people at the source and we'll have a better world. :D

[chicodallasman]

It's probably there so the ad companies keep on paying them lol. With that they have proof, per se, that the ads are getting seen. It's like downloading music, if they see you do it, they wont do anything.

[mememe513]

I use a firewall, and it just automatically blocks ads unless I disable it, so I don't think it can be enforced.

[Lenin64]

no more f2p = no more little kids! Everybody block the adds!

 

 

 

**I am not saying f2p are little kids. I'm saying that most little kids aren't willing to pay for a game they dont check out first, because 5$ is a lot for them.

 

 

 

:o :o Are you not being "politically correct" as far as pointing out that yes, a lot of f2pers are little kids.

 

 

 

Cut out the infestation of little kids at the source and we'll have a better community. Get rid of f2p and this would do the job, its drastic and i don't expect it to happen, but if rs was a select a use ran business its what would happen

 

the streets arent the source of hobos. capitalism is the source of hobos.

 

 

 

Great logic there, honestly. In fact, why don't you just grab an uzi and start murdering hobos as well? Statistics have shown that homeless people are more likely to participate in violent crime. Like you said, massacre the hobos! Yahoo!! \

 

Cut out the homeless people at the source and we'll have a better world. :D

[Kilo]

Well, I run Mozilla Firefox and I constantly use two extensions: Adblock and NoScript. I have probably broken this rule at least once in my RS career, and I have no blackmarks/bans to show for it. Which leads me to think that this rule can't really be enforced.

 

 

 

Lol, once? your a lightweight, I've done it at least 3000 times. 8-) I pay for members, i pay to not see ads, get off my back jagex.

[hatebringer]

Well, since F2P is raising 0 dollars for JaGEX, they need to at least make a bit off of it, FYI, they are a company, and companies like money. So thats why they have the rule, also, blocking them will give JaGEX less money, as there is a certain system that ad's pay by. something like 1 cent per ad displayed, and 3 cents per clicked ad, or something like that. They also probably have detection systems.. that must be out of date, as they can't detect macros really well, but i say, just don't break the rules.

[Unleasher10]

Well, since F2P is raising 0 dollars for JaGEX, they need to at least make a bit off of it, FYI, they are a company, and companies like money. So thats why they have the rule, also, blocking them will give JaGEX less money, as there is a certain system that ad's pay by. something like 1 cent per ad displayed, and 3 cents per clicked ad, or something like that. They also probably have detection systems.. that must be out of date, as they can't detect macros really well, but i say, just don't break the rules.

 

F2P doesn't only earn that for Jagex. How many members would have become members in the first place if they couldn't try out the game. F2P is Jagex's marketing strategy, the ads are only an added bonus, IMO.

 

 

 

Also, Jagex still gets paid, whether the ad is displayed or not. They can't detect whether you're using AdBlock at all. Even blocking Firefox wouldn't stop that, since you can easily just get an adblocker on IE or even disguise Firefox as IE with a program.

[MidnightHarvester]

As long as Runescape remains as popular as it is, companies will continue fighting to get an ad placed on the site somewhere. The site is a haven for the young and impulsive who will click on something because it looks "cool".

 

 

 

Truth is though, ad blocking software is just buying us time. If (and most likely when) the ad is served from the same domain as the hosting web page and avoided common naming conventions that indicates it IS an ad, then current ad blocking software would fail to block it.

 

 

 

This would however force the companies wishing to advertise to deliver the content directly to each web site and have all the ads stored locally. If and when this becomes the norm, smaller web sites that are completely supported by ad supported content would die off because of the logistics involved, but large sites such as Runescape would suffer little if any impact.

 

 

 

As it is now though and as it's been stated earlier, this rule is there solely to appease the advertisers and the only impact it has on us gamers is the intimidation factor.

 

 

 

This brings up the next question. Is it even enforcable? Technically, yes it could be possible from a programmatic standpoint, though not entirely reliable. If you use IE, then there is a setting you can change under security named "allow scripting of java applets". If you check this box, this means the java applet can communicate back to the web page it was hosted from. I am sure with a little scripting finesse a method could be scripted to check to see if the ads have loaded.

 

 

 

This won't ever happen though. The default setting is to have this checkbox unchecked. I know many people use Firefox, but those who use the windows client still end up using Internet Explorer and any setting that is changed in IE will be reflected within the client.

 

 

 

Continue blocking the ads if you wish (I am not supporting you do or you don't), but do so quietly and don't do this with a JÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬ÃâMod standing behind you watching you play. As for me, they have never bothered me at my home computer. I pay for members so I rarely have to suffer, but I can feel the pain. My work computer can hardly load Runescape on a free world and have it in a playable state. Anyways, this post is getting too long so I'll leave it at that :P

[D. V. Devnull]

I use a firewall, and it just automatically blocks ads unless I disable it, so I don't think it can be enforced.

 

[Edit]

 

 

 

Worse... if you disable your firewall, your PC has about 45 seconds before it gets hit with something like the blaster worm or other more modern equivalent. Further, your house (and/or corporate) rules may dictate "No Adverts Allowed". This auto-renders rule 15 non-enforceable without Jagex allowing themselves to be seriously liable and ending up in a world of legal hurt. As I have stated many times in the past, the PC belongs to the person who bought it (or company if in a corporate environment) and NOT Jagex, so they really have no say what a person (or corporate user) does with the PC they are on.

 

 

 

(Note to anyone who would argue with me: I have been the victim of such in the past, so don't question me on this. I already know what happens. BTW, if you wish to not believe me, just try turning your firewall off. I'm sure you won't be defending Jagex afterward, especially when one of those adverts manages to use a hole in your browser or one of the plugins it is using.)

 

 

 

<*Sits back and waits for the overheated fireworks of a fool to spew forth...*>

 

 

 

~Mr. D. V. Devnull

[RoswellCrash]

I use a firewall, and it just automatically blocks ads unless I disable it, so I don't think it can be enforced.

 

[Edit]

 

 

 

Worse... if you disable your firewall, your PC has about 45 seconds before it gets hit with something like the blaster worm or other more modern equivalent. Further, your house (and/or corporate) rules may dictate "No Adverts Allowed". This auto-renders rule 15 non-enforceable without Jagex allowing themselves to be seriously liable and ending up in a world of legal hurt. As I have stated many times in the past, the PC belongs to the person who bought it (or company if in a corporate environment) and NOT Jagex, so they really have no say what a person (or corporate user) does with the PC they are on.

 

 

 

(Note to anyone who would argue with me: I have been the victim of such in the past, so don't question me on this. I already know what happens. BTW, if you wish to not believe me, just try turning your firewall off. I'm sure you won't be defending Jagex afterward, especially when one of those adverts manages to use a hole in your browser or one of the plugins it is using.)

 

 

 

One thing you are forgetting Jagex do know the law and they can ban you for blocking the ads, they are saying block ads don't use are service and they have the right to stop you using there site simple as that, in no way can they be prosecuted for this rule.

 

 

 

You saying that company's might have a rule that ad blocking has to be active they are saying OK don't come on our site or game.. nothing wrong there.. as they state when you create an account they can end it when they want its there property so your wrong..

 

 

 

Your saying the PC belongs to the person who owns it, they are not telling you what to do, they are simply saying if you want to use our site or game you must not block ads nothing wrong with that.

 

 

 

As for a firewall blocking ads it can be made to allow ads and still be active & protecting, you might have been a victim but I know computers if you want to argue that you can't stop ad blocking without disabling your firewall post the name of the firewall/router that you have that does this and I will prove you wrong.

 

 

 

I do disagree with the rule, if your a paying member, but if your free 2 play fair enough.