StrOwez Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 I'm 75% pro choice, why I say this is because we have families who can't have children on the waiting list, who would give anything for a baby. So hence I think if a healthy woman falls pregnant due to having unprotected sex, she should have that baby and give it up for adoption IMO. However if the mothers health is in danger both physically and mentally, she was raped, or she lives in circumstances were raising a foetus in the womb won't be possible. Then I think she is just to have an abortion. However again I do think the abortion time limit should be lowered to 4 weeks, just my opinion based on the video I watched in biology class about the development of foetuses, and at how fast they develop. A friend to all is a friend to none. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1_man_army Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 So hence I think if a healthy woman falls pregnant due to having unprotected sex, she should have that baby and give it up for adoption IMO. Do you have any idea of how long and drawn out the adoption process is? It can take several years for couples to go through all the checks, meet every criteria and to find a suitable child - things aren't as simple as finding an unwanted newborn and passing it to somebody who wants it. In many cases, by the time a couple has met all the criteria required there is a lack of children at the age that many adopting couples would prefer ie. newborns and extremely young children. This means that many children above a certain age are trapped in the system because they're unwanted by potential adoptive parents because lets face it, not many people want to adopt a child over the age of 4/5 (which is a shame although somewhat understaandable fact of life). Really, what I'm trying to say is that the adoption system is already over-loaded at the moment in Britain and isn't an ideal option although I'd agree that it's better than abortion but it's not as simple as many people think. The system is awkward and complicated and this means that many children end up in care for long periods or banded around numerous foster parents throughout their childhood. He who learns must suffer, and, even in our sleep, pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart,and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God. - Aeschylus (525 BC - 456 BC) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickCini Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 This is what I think. I don't think that a human is human until it has conscienciousness, that is to say when it is a sentient being. I think that that status is achieved somewhere during the time the "baby" spends developing in the womb. I am not sure where/when though. With that said, I am pro-choice. And if you do all you can, that's all you can ever do. - Warren Rudman But men are men; the best sometimes forget. - William Shakespeare Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark Lord Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 I'm not totally sure where I stand on this issue. Abortion is one of those things with so many variables in it... I would say I'm pro-life, but there are situations that I believe abortion could be considered. What should we do in the event that your wife will die if she gives birth to the daughter that you both have always wanted? The right answer might seem to go ahead and have the child and tell the daughter that her mother loved her so much that she chose to die in her place. Then again, this is your WIFE. You love her so much that you'd even die for her if you could, but in this situation you can't. You either lose your wife or your only daughter. Now let's put you in the mother's place. This is your daughter. You don't want to destroy your daughter. You also know that you'll die if you give birth to her, but you also know that she'll die if you chose to abort her. What would you do? Would you do the seemingly right thing and give birth? You know that your daughter will grow up knowing that you loved her so much that you would chose to let her come into this world, even though she loses her mother. Of course I also believe there are situations in which it is immoral to do this kind of operation. SWAG Mayn U wanna be like me but U can't be me cuz U ain't got ma swagga on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limpbizkit Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 But the point is, That is someones life being made. Your taking away THERE chance to live for your own selfish reasons...if you cant afford it then why in the first place did you have unprotected sex? Tif 360 MGC Leaderboard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1_man_army Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 But the point is, That is someones life being made. Your taking away THERE chance to live for your own selfish reasons...if you cant afford it then why in the first place did you have unprotected sex? Have you ever for a second considered that people have human and by their very nature are not perfect. People make mistakes, even you, unless you are the very first perfect being. It's easy to sit baack and look down upon people from your moral highground (this isn't just directed to limpbizkit btw) but at the end of the day nobody is perfect, life has a habit of throwing in something unexpected that completely changes things - people have to deal with things that they don't want to have to deal with and it nobody should feel the need to pass judgement on how people deal with their own issues. He who learns must suffer, and, even in our sleep, pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart,and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God. - Aeschylus (525 BC - 456 BC) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homegirl911911999 Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 Why be careless? you wouldn't have the problem if you were married or the problem wouldn't be at large. But i think if you gonna have sex then why kill the baby its your fault not the babies. babies are human beings i don't care how poor you are. know person or baby deserves to die! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrOwez Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 Why be careless? you wouldn't have the problem if you were married or the problem wouldn't be at large. But i think if you gonna have sex then why kill the baby its your fault not the babies. babies are human beings i don't care how poor you are. know person or baby deserves to die! This might be as a shock to you, but married couples also have abortions, due to the fact that a baby will totally change their life, and they are not ready for that change to happen. Also they are not killing a baby but a foetus yes it has the potentials to become a baby but it isn't one yet. So hence I think if a healthy woman falls pregnant due to having unprotected sex, she should have that baby and give it up for adoption IMO. Do you have any idea of how long and drawn out the adoption process is? It can take several years for couples to go through all the checks, meet every criteria and to find a suitable child - things aren't as simple as finding an unwanted newborn and passing it to somebody who wants it. In many cases, by the time a couple has met all the criteria required there is a lack of children at the age that many adopting couples would prefer ie. newborns and extremely young children. This means that many children above a certain age are trapped in the system because they're unwanted by potential adoptive parents because lets face it, not many people want to adopt a child over the age of 4/5 (which is a shame although somewhat understaandable fact of life). Really, what I'm trying to say is that the adoption system is already over-loaded at the moment in Britain and isn't an ideal option although I'd agree that it's better than abortion but it's not as simple as many people think. The system is awkward and complicated and this means that many children end up in care for long periods or banded around numerous foster parents throughout their childhood. Fair enough, I guess I was thinking theoretically and in reality things are far more complicated. A friend to all is a friend to none. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homegirl911911999 Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 Why be careless? you wouldn't have the problem if you were married or the problem wouldn't be at large. But i think if you gonna have sex then why kill the baby its your fault not the babies. babies are human beings i don't care how poor you are. know person or baby deserves to die! This might be as a shock to you, but married couples also have abortions, due to the fact that a baby will totally change their life, and they are not ready for that change to happen. Also they are not killing a baby but a foetus yes it has the potentials to become a baby but it isn't one yet. i am not shocked i know that! i said it would not be at large (as big of a problem) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arrr Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 Although, it'd teach the people a leason (for some reason, I think I spelled that wrong) not to have sex without contraceptives. Only the girl gets those consequences, the guys get totally away with it. Teach people a lesson? A sexist way to teach that is. :notalk: Way to make no sense. me and kashi are running for president in '08. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoomSnapClap Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 I only believe you should only get an abortion if you are raped. People who are having sex without protection/birth control should have to suffer the consequence of it. If you don't want a baby, don't have sex. If you can't afford condoms, you can't afford to look after a baby so don't risk it. If you do use protection and birth control and still get pregnant, it's your own fault. Stop the urgin' stay a virgin =) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrOwez Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 Why be careless? you wouldn't have the problem if you were married or the problem wouldn't be at large. But i think if you gonna have sex then why kill the baby its your fault not the babies. babies are human beings i don't care how poor you are. know person or baby deserves to die! This might be as a shock to you, but married couples also have abortions, due to the fact that a baby will totally change their life, and they are not ready for that change to happen. Also they are not killing a baby but a foetus yes it has the potentials to become a baby but it isn't one yet. i am not shocked i know that! i said it would not be at large (as big of a problem) Well IMO abortion is abortion, no two ways about it, it doesn't matter if you chose to have it within a marriage or a if teenage girl has an abortion because she made a mistake of having unprotected sex. A friend to all is a friend to none. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotalTalker Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 Im not really sure what the laws should be on abortion. I mean if a woman got raped, and she became pregnant, she may want to get rid of the baby because she doesnt want one, or she doesnt want the baby to grow up with a dad who is a rapist. But it isnt really fair on the baby to die. This sort of topic can go on and on, with lots of different cases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limpbizkit Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 But the point is, That is someones life being made. Your taking away THERE chance to live for your own selfish reasons...if you cant afford it then why in the first place did you have unprotected sex? Have you ever for a second considered that people have human and by their very nature are not perfect. People make mistakes, even you, unless you are the very first perfect being. It's easy to sit baack and look down upon people from your moral highground (this isn't just directed to limpbizkit btw) but at the end of the day nobody is perfect, life has a habit of throwing in something unexpected that completely changes things - people have to deal with things that they don't want to have to deal with and it nobody should feel the need to pass judgement on how people deal with their own issues. Yes i know where your coming from but every choice has a consequence and i for one believe that if your willing to have unprotected sex you should face the consequence. This is gonna sound a bit of topic here now. If you have unprotected sex and have a kid and get the abortion its over but what if you got an sti? your not getting rid of that any time soon. Tif 360 MGC Leaderboard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ltb2006 Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 Why be careless? you wouldn't have the problem if you were married or the problem wouldn't be at large. But i think if you gonna have sex then why kill the baby its your fault not the babies. babies are human beings i don't care how poor you are. know person or baby deserves to die! This might be as a shock to you, but married couples also have abortions, due to the fact that a baby will totally change their life, and they are not ready for that change to happen. Also they are not killing a baby but a foetus yes it has the potentials to become a baby but it isn't one yet. i am not shocked i know that! i said it would not be at large (as big of a problem) Well IMO abortion is abortion, no two ways about it, it doesn't matter if you chose to have it within a marriage or a if teenage girl has an abortion because she made a mistake of having unprotected sex. No contraception is 100% effective... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaperClipsYaaaar Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 Why be careless? you wouldn't have the problem if you were married or the problem wouldn't be at large. But i think if you gonna have sex then why kill the baby its your fault not the babies. babies are human beings i don't care how poor you are. know person or baby deserves to die! Ah, the classic Ugly Woman's Outrage. If you were even slightly attractive, you would understand why and how some girls are coerced and influenced into getting pregnant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrOwez Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 Why be careless? you wouldn't have the problem if you were married or the problem wouldn't be at large. But i think if you gonna have sex then why kill the baby its your fault not the babies. babies are human beings i don't care how poor you are. know person or baby deserves to die! This might be as a shock to you, but married couples also have abortions, due to the fact that a baby will totally change their life, and they are not ready for that change to happen. Also they are not killing a baby but a foetus yes it has the potentials to become a baby but it isn't one yet. i am not shocked i know that! i said it would not be at large (as big of a problem) Well IMO abortion is abortion, no two ways about it, it doesn't matter if you chose to have it within a marriage or a if teenage girl has an abortion because she made a mistake of having unprotected sex. No contraception is 100% effective... A vasectomy should do the trick. A friend to all is a friend to none. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real ET Posted August 18, 2007 Share Posted August 18, 2007 [hide=Pretty quotes]Why be careless? you wouldn't have the problem if you were married or the problem wouldn't be at large. But i think if you gonna have sex then why kill the baby its your fault not the babies. babies are human beings i don't care how poor you are. know person or baby deserves to die! This might be as a shock to you, but married couples also have abortions, due to the fact that a baby will totally change their life, and they are not ready for that change to happen. Also they are not killing a baby but a foetus yes it has the potentials to become a baby but it isn't one yet. i am not shocked i know that! i said it would not be at large (as big of a problem) Well IMO abortion is abortion, no two ways about it, it doesn't matter if you chose to have it within a marriage or a if teenage girl has an abortion because she made a mistake of having unprotected sex. No contraception is 100% effective...[/hide] A vasectomy should do the trick. Actually, even they can be botched... Cowards can't block Warriors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nadril Posted August 18, 2007 Share Posted August 18, 2007 I'm 100% pro-choice. I believe that it's a personal decision that belongs to the 'mother' and 'father.' Meaning, I don't think that there should be laws against it. Many people are saying things like, "It's their fault for having unprotected sex," and such. Well did anyone consider the fact that some women get pregnant even if they do use protection? There's still something like a 1-4% chance that you can get pregnant even if you do use the pill/condom/whatever. Sure, it's a low chance, but it does happen. Shoudve taken that into consideration. Tsk Tsk Tsk. Like i said, rape victims should be the only people who get abortions, because they might not want a baby. Especially one who doesnt know the father, much less that hes a rapist. What if they had a failed condom? It does happen. I'm pro-choice. For me the way I see it is that accidents happen. Seriously, just like the quote says "S**t happens" and its true. Rape, broken condom, pills fail or even just a poor judgement. Such a thing should not have to ruin both the parents and the childs life. Like warrior said take the emotion out of it. The fetus (at the legal stages for abortion) does not 'feel' anything. It is a clump of cells. John, please if you come into a debate like this expect people to question what you are saying. Something as blank as its wrong! doesn't send us anywhere, it just tells us you probably are ignorant of the actual science behind it. Emotionaly however I would rather see someone take short-term emotional harm (possibly) from having an abortion versus long-term emotional harm from trying to bring a kid you can not support into the world. Of course the extra addition there is that the kid as well gets to live this life because of a mistake. Also I apoligize but I only have read the first page of the thread. I'm sure others have already stated what I think but I felt like chiming in myself. edit: read the rest of the thread and I have this to say: STUFF HAPPENS! It seems that every single arguement against abortion says that you just shouldn't have done it in the first place. The fact is stuff does happen, and we are only human. Why would someone want to ruin more than one persons life just because they made a poor mistake. Also I know I see you all sitting there ready to say "well murdering someone is a poor choice!" and I say just stop right there. There is a difference between the two. With murder you end up with the loss of another persons life, and you can't reverse that. As much as you want to say that someone is getting murdered in an abortion the fact is is that it isn't life yet, and again the fetus doesn't feel anything for the first stages of its growing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrOwez Posted August 18, 2007 Share Posted August 18, 2007 [hide=Pretty quotes]Why be careless? you wouldn't have the problem if you were married or the problem wouldn't be at large. But i think if you gonna have sex then why kill the baby its your fault not the babies. babies are human beings i don't care how poor you are. know person or baby deserves to die! This might be as a shock to you, but married couples also have abortions, due to the fact that a baby will totally change their life, and they are not ready for that change to happen. Also they are not killing a baby but a foetus yes it has the potentials to become a baby but it isn't one yet. i am not shocked i know that! i said it would not be at large (as big of a problem) Well IMO abortion is abortion, no two ways about it, it doesn't matter if you chose to have it within a marriage or a if teenage girl has an abortion because she made a mistake of having unprotected sex. No contraception is 100% effective...[/hide] A vasectomy should do the trick. Actually, even they can be botched... I know that you can have a reversal, but how ... if they clamp the tube ... #-o A friend to all is a friend to none. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limpbizkit Posted August 18, 2007 Share Posted August 18, 2007 I'm 100% pro-choice. I believe that it's a personal decision that belongs to the 'mother' and 'father.' Meaning, I don't think that there should be laws against it. Many people are saying things like, "It's their fault for having unprotected sex," and such. Well did anyone consider the fact that some women get pregnant even if they do use protection? There's still something like a 1-4% chance that you can get pregnant even if you do use the pill/condom/whatever. Sure, it's a low chance, but it does happen. Shoudve taken that into consideration. Tsk Tsk Tsk. Like i said, rape victims should be the only people who get abortions, because they might not want a baby. Especially one who doesnt know the father, much less that hes a rapist. What if they had a failed condom? It does happen. Yes it does happen and it that situation i believe the mother AND the farther of the baby that they maybe having should pick. NOT just one or the other. Tif 360 MGC Leaderboard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Google90 Posted August 18, 2007 Share Posted August 18, 2007 I mean...how many babies have little boys turning 13, 14 killed..with the invention of the internet.. :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nadril Posted August 18, 2007 Share Posted August 18, 2007 Yes it does happen and it that situation i believe the mother AND the farther of the baby that they maybe having should pick. NOT just one or the other. I'm not following you... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warri0r45 Posted August 18, 2007 Share Posted August 18, 2007 Perhaps someone who is pro-life could put my mind at ease by first answering this line of questioning - Let me go with that last point and ask everyone here this -> who feels they have the right to interject into the descision making process of a mother (and father) considering to abort and stop them from making such a descision because you have views different to them? And on getting pregnant being thier fault, of course, it sometimes is, but you do know even the most cautious out there do get pregnant, don't you? It's the kind of thing where it's ease of happening is wildly difficult on one end of the scale and it slides down to one bonk with protection and you've cracked it (sorry for the crudeness :lol: ). Saying they should face the consequences, from my perspective, dosen't get us anywhere. If they make a mistake and did not plan well enough for a baby, chances are they won't be able to provide for it as well as they could have if they waited a few years and planned a life together. I want a happy world where people, rather than ideologies, have control over things. Have the belief, fine, but recognise accidents do happen and they aren't always as stupid or irresponsible as you think. Recognise the mother and father here are the ones that decide, not you. So on that, if you could, answer my question above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tbfgraphx14 Posted August 18, 2007 Share Posted August 18, 2007 I'm pro-choice. I don't care if you do get an abortion or not because it's your right as an individual human being to make a descision which harms no-one else independant of me instructing you as to what I think you should do. And emotional harm because of pre-concieved beliefs is not harm. And, aborting a conglomeration of cells not yet with a differentiated nervous system is not harm. Take the emotion out of it and you may see things the same way. If someone would like to take me up on it, please tell me how an act which in no way affects you and affects the descision maker for the better is wrong (assuming, hypothetically, that the descision does in fact help the descision maker and eliminating all peripheral posibilities). thats the problem with people. they do eeverything with emotion. Sure, its human nature, but if you can step outside of it you can see everything with a lot more logic. i remember having this debate during physical education last year. One person was very pro-life, and I was able to keep up the seriosuness and throw in a reeally bad burn to some other kid in the process :thumbsup: go me! \ Wow I didn't think it was going to be that easy, all of my thoughts put into there thanks guys \ Tbfgraphx14Happy to find I'm not the only one who eats glass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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