Abortion.

[limpbizkit]

Yes it does happen and it that situation i believe the mother AND the farther of the baby that they maybe having should pick. NOT just one or the other.

 

 

 

 

I'm not following you...

 

 

 

Ok you said about the contraception failing.

 

and what i meant was that if that does happen it shouldn't be just the females choice but the males as wel.

[insane]

I think in some situations the most loving thing is to have an abortion, rape victims are a no-brainer, but if the child is going to suffer, other children are going to suffer, or the mother's mental health would be affected then an abortion should be readily available.

 

 

 

Go tell a suffering child that they would have been better off aborted, then.

[warri0r45]

I think in some situations the most loving thing is to have an abortion, rape victims are a no-brainer, but if the child is going to suffer, other children are going to suffer, or the mother's mental health would be affected then an abortion should be readily available.

 

 

 

Go tell a suffering child that they would have been better off aborted, then.

 

 

 

Less emotion. Developed children would obviously be upset if you did that but a conglomeration of undifferentiated cells will not.

[insane]

I think in some situations the most loving thing is to have an abortion, rape victims are a no-brainer, but if the child is going to suffer, other children are going to suffer, or the mother's mental health would be affected then an abortion should be readily available.

 

 

 

Go tell a suffering child that they would have been better off aborted, then.

 

 

 

Less emotion. Developed children would obviously be upset if you did that but a conglomeration of undifferentiated cells will not.

 

 

 

I'm sure if the conglomeration of undifferentiated cells knew what you were telling it, it would be pretty pissed off. The entire point I'm trying to make is that if assassin truly believes what he is saying then he won't care if the child is upset. Maybe I'll rephrase it.

 

 

 

Do you think a suffering child wishes that they were aborted? Why not ask them?

[kelem_ryu]

I don't think death is something bad. Of course everybody has the right to live on this planet, but not necessarily to live inside my body. So if i don't want you there, then i can throw you out and if i don't want you in my house then begone! My body is my temple and if you are not wanted here then you have to leave. I'll take care that you won't get there in the first place, but if you somehow manage to sneak past my precautions ... Look for another host body! If on the other hand you are welcomed, you may take full advantage of being my guest.

 

 

 

I'm a guy btw.

 

 

 

I also do belive that abortion, pregnancy and babies are the resposibility of women. I'm totally against forcing a man to pay allimente. Making sure mother and baby have enough money is the responsibility of the state not of the father. Ideally mother and father will be close enough that this issue doesn't even arise. Not everything is ideal though.

[warri0r45]

I think in some situations the most loving thing is to have an abortion, rape victims are a no-brainer, but if the child is going to suffer, other children are going to suffer, or the mother's mental health would be affected then an abortion should be readily available.

 

 

 

Go tell a suffering child that they would have been better off aborted, then.

 

 

 

Less emotion. Developed children would obviously be upset if you did that but a conglomeration of undifferentiated cells will not.

 

 

 

I'm sure if the conglomeration of undifferentiated cells knew what you were telling it, it would be pretty pissed off. The entire point I'm trying to make is that if assassin truly believes what he is saying then he won't care if the child is upset. Maybe I'll rephrase it.

 

 

 

Do you think a suffering child wishes that they were aborted? Why not ask them?

 

 

 

If, but that's impossible. You shouldn't try to assign qualities to something which dosen't have those qualities so you can compare it with something else. In this case, you shouldn't say 'if the conglomeration of cells knew...' and then compare that to a child that does know. It's making a case against my hypothetical, which involved a conglomeration of cells, by invoking a fully aware child. Two drastically different things. It's a variant of the potential argument. You're speculating an obvious outcome, i.e. that a child aware of it's existance dosen't want to die and rather wants to live, by bypassing the state of the conglomeration of cells now in order to make an emotional argument... all based on an emotionless conglomeration of undifferentiated cells.

 

 

 

And to your question I don't think any child wishes they were aborted (so you got the answer you were looking for) yet a child was not what I was referring to in my hypothetical. A conglomeration of cells isn't aware or fearful for it's existance.

[insane]

And to your question I don't think any child wishes they were aborted (so you got the answer you were looking for) yet a child was not what I was referring to in my hypothetical.

 

 

 

Yea, but I was responding to assassin's post where he said that suffering children were better off aborted. I thought you were defending that.

[Sumpta]

I also do belive that abortion, pregnancy and babies are the resposibility of women. I'm totally against forcing a man to pay allimente. Making sure mother and baby have enough money is the responsibility of the state not of the father. Ideally mother and father will be close enough that this issue doesn't even arise. Not everything is ideal though.

 

 

 

Guh. Thanks for single-handedly warping us back in the middle ages. Just because women carry children, does not mean they're the only ones responsible for the conception and education of the kids. Men need to share some of the responsibility unless we want them to cheerfully spread their seed wherever they see fit.

 

 

 

I'm a guy btw.

 

 

 

That is bloody obvious.

[heartless619]

well im very against abortion.

 

sex is for marriage...

 

if you want to fool around for an hour having sex and getting all pleasured up, then you'd better be ready for any consequences that might follow.

[PaperClipsYaaaar]

 

I'm sure if the conglomeration of undifferentiated cells knew what you were telling it, it would be pretty pissed off.

 

If my chair knew that its only purpose in life is to hold my butt, it would be pretty upset too. Thankfully, my chair isn't self-aware.

[Sumpta]

well im very against abortion.

 

sex is for marriage...

 

 

 

'Scuse me? Sex is for reproduction and bonding in a relationship. Sex existed long before marriage or even monogamy did, darling.

 

 

 

if you want to fool around for an hour having sex and getting all pleasured up, then you'd better be ready for any consequences that might follow.

 

 

 

An hour? Boy, you still got a lot to learn.

[Led-Zeppelin]

Pro-choice. As I bought up in the other topic, if you're dumb enough to go out in the sun every day in the summer for the next twenty years, and get skin cancer. How come it is socially acceptable to get it removed? You do know the cancer is built up of alot of cells, much more then a embrio, and deserves very much to be there.

 

 

 

It's just not fair for Mr. Cancer to be removed.

 

 

 

Cancer has just about as much awareness as a embrio.

 

 

 

if you want to fool around for an hour having sex and getting all pleasured up, then you'd better be ready for any consequences that might follow.

 

 

 

An hour? Boy, you still got a lot to learn.

 

 

 

I reckon! More like three. 8-)

[IGoddessI]

I don't believe in abortion unless it's a rape victim.

 

 

 

I believe if you can't afford a child, you have 9 months to do something about your income.

 

 

 

You can sit on your arse or the both of you can go make some dough.

 

 

 

You can flame me as much as you want but I have friends who have had abortions and I've kept my mouth shut on my opinion because I respect other peopleÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s choices.

[The Real ET]

I don't believe in abortion unless it's a rape victim.

 

 

 

I believe if you can't afford a child, you have 9 months to do something about your income.

 

 

 

You can sit on your arse or the both of you can go make some dough.

 

 

 

You can flame me as much as you want but I have friends who have had abortions and I've kept my mouth shut on my opinion because I respect other peopleÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s choices.

 

 

 

That's more or less my opinion, but I'm very conflicting in this and can't seem to make up my mind. Even if it is a rape victim, who are we to deny a life just because the father was a rapist? But then for pro-choice I start to think, who are we to damn a child and mother (and sometimes father) to a hell on Earth because the parent(s) are equipped with the needed emotion, wisdom, and/or motivation to properly raise a child? But then I start thinking pro-life and I think how that child could use his or her struggles to strengthen themselves and be a great icon in the future... Overall, this is just a cycle of conflict for me and I can't make up my mind. If I ever get into this situation I'll decide then, but now I just mull and try to pick a side.

[IGoddessI]

who are we to deny a life just because the father was a rapist?

 

 

 

We'll I'm not denying a life I'm more or less thinking of the psychological consequences between both, mother and child.

 

 

 

The mother will most likely not be able to bond with the child, which means an unemotional attachment. This brings great difficulty in a childÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s behaviour and emotional stability developing through the phallic stage.

 

 

 

The mother will most likely still have the lingering psychological problems in 9 months time when the baby is born.

 

 

 

The mother will then have to look at her child for the rest of her life and be reminded of the rape incident.

 

 

 

Also the mother might still be experiencing trauma which can last a life time depending on the person and might be unable to trust or to love again in a way that society can consider 'normal'.

 

 

 

When the child has misbehaved there is a higher increase in child abuse occurring. As when the child has offended the mother, the memory of being raped can be triggered. This means the kid can potentially be hit by the mother harder than what is socially acceptable and lawful.

 

 

 

I have counselled a woman who smothered her child to death with a pillow because the babies father was abusive and triggered off memories, yet alone rape.

 

 

 

When the child is born it will be neglected, (at least, that is I've never come across a mother who has been able to fully come to terms with having a rapists' child).

 

 

 

The child will already be emotionally unstable from it's upbringing by the time they find out their father is a rapist.

 

 

 

It increases the chance of mental illness, suicide, unstable relationships.

 

 

 

Personally, I would never want to see someone go through with it, mother or child.

 

 

 

If they want to have the baby that's their business, I won't get involved but I have personally seen a lot of nasty counselling visits with rape victims yet alone spawn of rape victims...

[warren211]

As another guy said, if you knwo you can't properly care for the baby, don't have the baby in the first place. Teenage couples decide to pleasure themselves a bit with their partners, and end up facing the consequences. Because of this, an unborn baby must be sacrificed so the foolish parents can wash their hands of the situation.

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, I know there are other excuses for abortion. But moist of them can be responded as "then why'd you create the baby in the first place?". The only reason I think can excuse abortion is, as Goddess said, a rape.

[heartless619]

Why be careless? you wouldn't have the problem if you were married or the problem wouldn't be at large. But i think if you gonna have sex then why kill the baby its your fault not the babies. babies are human beings i don't care how poor you are. know person or baby deserves to die!

 

Ah, the classic Ugly Woman's Outrage.

 

 

 

If you were even slightly attractive, you would understand why and how some girls are coerced and influenced into getting pregnant.

 

 

 

and you know? because paper your a girl i take it?

 

other wise im pretty sure you couldn't begin to comprehend what a girl goes through

 

 

 

that was pretty rude you've never seen this person and you ASSume she is ugly...**** i bet you one ugly dude.

[heartless619]

well im very against abortion.

 

sex is for marriage...

 

 

 

'Scuse me? Sex is for reproduction and bonding in a relationship. Sex existed long before marriage or even monogamy did, darling.

 

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'Scuse me? thanks. Sex is for reproduction. thanks that says it all.

 

so why in the hell would you need to have an abortion? unless raped.

 

because you pretty much explained it your self there..darling, even if you are pro choice...and obviously if a women gets pregnant some time and it was a mistake well...she shouldn't have been bonding with John Doe over there...

 

because she isnt ready to reproduce so...thanks darling you gave me the answer to your own answer

[m4tty]

why post this on a forum where 75% of the members dont even know what sex is? it isnt just for reproduction BTW.

[amoeba_009]

 

 

 

'Scuse me? thanks. Sex is for reproduction. thanks that says it all.

 

so why in the hell would you need to have an abortion? unless raped.

 

because you pretty much explained it your self there..darling, even if you are pro choice...and obviously if a women gets pregnant some time and it was a mistake well...she shouldn't have been bonding with John Doe over there...

 

because she isnt ready to reproduce so...thanks darling you gave me the answer to your own answer

 

 

 

+1

[Sumpta]

well im very against abortion.

 

sex is for marriage...

 

 

 

'Scuse me? Sex is for reproduction and bonding in a relationship. Sex existed long before marriage or even monogamy did, darling.

 

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'Scuse me? thanks. Sex is for reproduction. thanks that says it all.

 

so why in the hell would you need to have an abortion? unless raped.

 

because you pretty much explained it your self there..darling, even if you are pro choice...and obviously if a women gets pregnant some time and it was a mistake well...she shouldn't have been bonding with John Doe over there...

 

because she isnt ready to reproduce so...thanks darling you gave me the answer to your own answer

 

 

 

Nobody can deny that from a biological point of view, sex serves to reproduce. Luckily however, we aren't just animals and so we've created other reasons to have sex. We also take emotions, love and pleasure into account. But hey, if you only want sex to have kids, whatever floats your boat. You're missing out.

 

 

 

Way to go in not getting the marriage - sex point, though, honeysuckles.

[Lenin64]

babies are human beings i don't care how poor you are. know person or baby deserves to die!

 

But a fetus is not a baby. it is not even alive yet. Something truly "alive" goes through 5 bodily functions and is able to do so on its own. These functions are gas exchange, taking in nutrients, ridding itself of waste, and 2 more i don;t remember, that actually may be all. For these reasons viruses are not "alive", they do not perform these functions. neither do fetuses. Not by themselves, anyway. once a fetus is at the point where it can be born and survive, it is a baby, and therefore should not be removed. this isn't until at least 7 months, i think, maybe 6 or more.

[Tetsuya]

I'm personally against abortion.

 

 

 

But politically pro-choice. I don't like forcing my personal views on other people.

[Erk02]

well im very against abortion.

 

sex is for marriage...

 

 

 

'Scuse me? Sex is for reproduction and bonding in a relationship. Sex existed long before marriage or even monogamy did, darling.

 

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'Scuse me? thanks. Sex is for reproduction. thanks that says it all.

 

so why in the hell would you need to have an abortion? unless raped.

 

because you pretty much explained it your self there..darling, even if you are pro choice...and obviously if a women gets pregnant some time and it was a mistake well...she shouldn't have been bonding with John Doe over there...

 

because she isnt ready to reproduce so...thanks darling you gave me the answer to your own answer

So you're saying that it doesn't matter who you have sex with, because you're reproducing?

[IGoddessI]

Nobody can deny that from a biological point of view, sex serves to reproduce. Luckily however, we aren't just animals and so we've created other reasons to have sex. We also take emotions, love and pleasure into account. But hey, if you only want sex to have kids, whatever floats your boat. You're missing out.

 

 

 

Way to go in not getting the marriage - sex point, though, honeysuckles.

 

 

 

Hehe I love it when you post. It saves me from typing pretty much :lol: