kelem_ryu Posted August 23, 2007 Share Posted August 23, 2007 Astrology does work for me. I'll stick to the traditional 12 signs of zodiac though. That's the first time i even ever read about a 13th sign and i read a lot on the subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IGoddessI Posted August 23, 2007 Share Posted August 23, 2007 Maddox sums it up pretty nicely for me http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net ... =astrology rofl I saw the little ant on your sig and thought it was on my screen, I just thumped the computer for no reason. acupuncture I have evidence that in some people it can work quite well (biology wise) I will find it when I get back from work. The only people who tell you that you can't do something are those who have already given up on their own dreams so feel the need to discourage yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lionheart_0 Posted August 23, 2007 Share Posted August 23, 2007 There is no connection between one's daily activities and stars. The butterfly effect wouldn't even be factored in because of the huge difference in space and time. Trust me, Astrology is completely useless and bull. Sig by IkuraiYour Guide to Posting! Behave or I will send my Moose mounted Beaver launchers at you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithril_Max Posted August 23, 2007 Share Posted August 23, 2007 The following are all bunk: acupuncture Astrology Angels applied kinesiology astral projection breatharianism Cellular memory Channeling Chiromancy clairvoyance Dianetics Dowsing Ear candling ESP EVP Fairies feng shui Ghosts Homeopathy HSP Kirlian photography Ley lines Magnet therapy Mediums Numerology Oiji Boards Psychics psychic healing psychic photography psychic surgery reflexology remote viewing Spirits Tarot /thread I dont think i missed much out, please add to this list if you can. alien orbs lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meb Posted August 23, 2007 Share Posted August 23, 2007 Astrology does work for me. I'll stick to the traditional 12 signs of zodiac though. That's the first time i even ever read about a 13th sign and i read a lot on the subject. I just explained why it works some posts above yours. Retired 2146 overall - 136 combat - 6 skillcapes Plus I think the whole teenage girl thing will end soon (hopefully), because my girlfriend is absolutely in love with him(she is 18), and im beginning to feel threatened by his [Justin Bieber] dashing looks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xvillexvalox Posted August 24, 2007 Share Posted August 24, 2007 In the words of Jim Morrison "I don't believe in it, in fact I think its a bunch of bull*feces*" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happybappy Posted August 24, 2007 Share Posted August 24, 2007 You shouldn't believe in something because you don't care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real ET Posted August 24, 2007 Share Posted August 24, 2007 You shouldn't believe in something because you don't care. I would read whatever that is, if it wasn't Wikipedia... :evil: Cowards can't block Warriors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warri0r45 Posted August 24, 2007 Share Posted August 24, 2007 Not a fan of pseudoscience sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelem_ryu Posted August 24, 2007 Share Posted August 24, 2007 Astrology does work for me. I'll stick to the traditional 12 signs of zodiac though. That's the first time i even ever read about a 13th sign and i read a lot on the subject. I just explained why it works some posts above yours. Yah and that's why i can guess a persons Ascendent with about 30% to 50% accuracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercifull Posted August 24, 2007 Share Posted August 24, 2007 Yah and that's why i can guess a persons Ascendent with about 30% to 50% accuracy.So about chance then... =P~ Mercifull <3 Suzi "We don't want players to be able to buy their way to success in RuneScape. If we let players start doing this, it devalues RuneScape for others. We feel your status in real-life shouldn't affect your ability to be successful in RuneScape" Jagex 01/04/01 - 02/03/12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assassin_696 Posted August 24, 2007 Share Posted August 24, 2007 The following are all bunk: acupuncture Astrology Angels applied kinesiology astral projection breatharianism Cellular memory Channeling Chiromancy clairvoyance Dianetics Dowsing Ear candling ESP EVP Fairies feng shui Ghosts Homeopathy HSP Kirlian photography Ley lines Magnet therapy Mediums Numerology Oiji Boards Psychics psychic healing psychic photography psychic surgery reflexology remote viewing Spirits Tarot /thread I dont think i missed much out, please add to this list if you can. Add God and that's about it... *steps back* :P Seriously though, astrology is just a non-science which tarnishes the name of astronomy, a proper science. There was a TV program on a couple of weeks ago called The Enemies of Reason, hosted by Richard Dawkins. He did an experiment where he gave a card for next weeks astrology predictions for Saggitarius to people who weren't Saggitarians. But they were told it was for their star sign. They were then asked whether or not it matched up with what they were expecting. 50% said yes, a small minority said no, and the rest didn't believe in it (astrology) anyway. The only Saggitarian also said no. The only reason it fits with some people is because the descriptions, definitions and predictions are so vague they could apply to roughly anybody. "Da mihi castitatem et continentam, sed noli modo" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam007 Posted August 24, 2007 Share Posted August 24, 2007 Im not sure, but im Pisces, and when I was younger I used to do a lot of swimming. I think I got to about my thousand meters by the time I was about 9 or 10. Oh, and for those who dont know, Pisces is a fish :-w I can't tell if you're being sarcastic, but don't you know that any sign would have some hobby that you also would enjoy? I mean just by cold-reading you a psychic astrologist could tell you a lot that would (for not the right reason) surprise you. It's always nonsense that applies to anyone. In certain occasions you can be a little inhibited, but when you're truly yourself you're as outgoing as can be. You love creative mediums. Listening to music inspires you. While you may have made many acquaintances throughout your life, it's your closest friends that have always stuck around for you. Then to make matters worse, people associate specific instances to each thing they read and get all amazed by its magic. And if it doesn't apply? Oh, just a miss this week. They'll get me next time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercifull Posted August 24, 2007 Share Posted August 24, 2007 Michael Shermer (founder of The Skeptics Society) has posted a series of videos on YouTube where he attempt to debunk various pseudo-sciences. They may be interesting to watch for some people in this thread. You can view them all here, http://uk.youtube.com/user/MichaelShermer Mercifull <3 Suzi "We don't want players to be able to buy their way to success in RuneScape. If we let players start doing this, it devalues RuneScape for others. We feel your status in real-life shouldn't affect your ability to be successful in RuneScape" Jagex 01/04/01 - 02/03/12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelem_ryu Posted August 25, 2007 Share Posted August 25, 2007 Yah and that's why i can guess a persons Ascendent with about 30% to 50% accuracy.So about chance then... =P~ According to my math 100% divided by 12 equals 8.3% I wonder if even half of the people bashing astrology here have ever seen a horoscope chart before. They look like this and are strictly astronomical. They just display the constellation of planets viewed from the earth at a given time and place. Interpretation of the chart is astrology. ) (That's my birth chart taken from this site) Most peoples assumptions are based on what is called a "newspaper horoscope". Every astrologist will tell you that newspaper astrology can't be taken seriously. In fact nobody could possibly take them less serious then astrologers. It should be obvious that you can't make any individual statements only by using the so called sign of zodiac that is the same for every 12th perso who ever lived. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flametrooper Posted August 25, 2007 Share Posted August 25, 2007 Yah and that's why i can guess a persons Ascendent with about 30% to 50% accuracy.So about chance then... =P~ According to my math 100% divided by 12 equals 8.3% ...That's not quite how this sort of thing works. :| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelem_ryu Posted August 25, 2007 Share Posted August 25, 2007 Yah and that's why i can guess a persons Ascendent with about 30% to 50% accuracy.So about chance then... =P~ According to my math 100% divided by 12 equals 8.3% ...That's not quite how this sort of thing works. :| elaborate please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yomom1919 Posted August 25, 2007 Share Posted August 25, 2007 elaborate please Just read what Merciful wrote on the first page... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelem_ryu Posted August 25, 2007 Share Posted August 25, 2007 Any argument i ever heard against astrology was based on false assumptions and extremly biased on top of it. Then we have to face the fact that astrology provides little measurable data. The biggest problem imo however is semantic. The language of astrology doesn't translate too well in our language. It doesn't even translate too well into our thinking. Imo astrology just doesn't fit into the scientific believe system. It might be fit into this system, but to explain how i can believe astrology to be accurate, i'd first have to explain you the basis of my believes. (You can find some of ithere.) Anyway. A horoscope chart is nothing more then a watch. It shows what time it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assassin_696 Posted August 25, 2007 Share Posted August 25, 2007 There is no "science belief system", science is not based on quasi-religious/mystical beliefs or superstitions, it's based on evidence and fact. So yeah, you're right that astrology doesn't fit with any experimental evidence. "Da mihi castitatem et continentam, sed noli modo" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelem_ryu Posted August 25, 2007 Share Posted August 25, 2007 There is no "science belief system", science is not based on quasi-religious/mystical beliefs or superstitions, it's based on evidence and fact. So yeah, you're right that astrology doesn't fit with any experimental evidence. What troubles me most about science is that people are so convinced that their methods are the only legetimate. Scientific de facto immunizes (and i consciously use that term) itself against any doubt using scientific method. Everything that doesn't quite fit is immeadiately debunked: "unscientifical", "pseudo science", "true believer". To me scientific methode qualifys as "quasi-religious/mystical belief or as "superstition". Also science isn't based on facts as you claim. It is based on theories that are supported by sufficient evidence. So that are basically believes there to. You believe some theories to be true, because scientific methode yielded enough supportive evidence. Blasphemy, i know. Science sets the rules (its own rules). Everything that doesn't fit is debunked. I guess this should be another topic though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abelmisi Posted August 25, 2007 Share Posted August 25, 2007 [hide]Yah and that's why i can guess a persons Ascendent with about 30% to 50% accuracy.So about chance then... =P~ According to my math 100% divided by 12 equals 8.3% I wonder if even half of the people bashing astrology here have ever seen a horoscope chart before. They look like this and are strictly astronomical. They just display the constellation of planets viewed from the earth at a given time and place. Interpretation of the chart is astrology. ) (That's my birth chart taken from this site) Most peoples assumptions are based on what is called a "newspaper horoscope". Every astrologist will tell you that newspaper astrology can't be taken seriously. In fact nobody could possibly take them less serious then astrologers. It should be obvious that you can't make any individual statements only by using the so called sign of zodiac that is the same for every 12th perso who ever lived.[/hide] I still don't know how little dots on the sky have anything to do with my future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelem_ryu Posted August 25, 2007 Share Posted August 25, 2007 [hide]Yah and that's why i can guess a persons Ascendent with about 30% to 50% accuracy.So about chance then... =P~ According to my math 100% divided by 12 equals 8.3% I wonder if even half of the people bashing astrology here have ever seen a horoscope chart before. They look like this and are strictly astronomical. They just display the constellation of planets viewed from the earth at a given time and place. Interpretation of the chart is astrology. ) (That's my birth chart taken from this site) Most peoples assumptions are based on what is called a "newspaper horoscope". Every astrologist will tell you that newspaper astrology can't be taken seriously. In fact nobody could possibly take them less serious then astrologers. It should be obvious that you can't make any individual statements only by using the so called sign of zodiac that is the same for every 12th perso who ever lived.[/hide] I still don't know how little dots on the sky have anything to do with my future. co-incidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highlanders Posted August 25, 2007 Share Posted August 25, 2007 There is no "science belief system", science is not based on quasi-religious/mystical beliefs or superstitions, it's based on evidence and fact. So yeah, you're right that astrology doesn't fit with any experimental evidence. Science always tries to explain things conservatively. When faced with an unknown and new concept, instead of looking to expand their knowledge of reality, scientists try to explain the phenomenom using the elements of reality they already know. In other words, they refuse to evolve, they are set in their ways. Bermuda triangle by example, any scientific explanation was pure theory, and was never practically proven. Actually, I'm certain the bermuda triangle phenomenom can be explained very logically. If they were ready to learn new things and research the bermuda triangle, the scientists could learn new information about how the ocean floor works, or the presence of certain minerals having certain consequences. They could learn new things. But instead, they say it's old news, and refuse to investigate or learn about it. And since most scientists are so dogmatic, and refuse to learn about new or so-called mystical concepts, their view of reality is flawed, and always will. Scientists, by saving, by example, that ghosts don't exist, they arrogantly claime that they know everything about reality, and the universe, which they don't. If they investigated it, they would probably realise that a lot of "mystical" things can logically be explained, but not by old concepts of reality, but by new concepts. But they refuse to learn new concepts, thus the problem. Science is exactly like religion, they accept what fits their set view, and push back and ridiculize everything else that doesn't fit their view. If you say you believe in science, all it means is that you believe in something alike to religion. Your , ok so what? Your not the defender of truth, in any way. 2480+ total Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satenza Posted August 25, 2007 Share Posted August 25, 2007 If they investigated it, they would probably realise that a lot of "mystical" things can logically be explained, but not by old concepts of reality, but by new concepts. But they refuse to learn new concepts, thus the problem. That does not make sense, mystical things like ghosts are supernatural beliefs. A supernatural belief can't be explained logically by definition. Supernatural means that it's not something that naturally occurs and that it 'goes against the laws of nature'. Logic is derived and exists because of those laws of nature. So how can you logically explain something that is illogical? With so many trees in the city you could see the spring coming each day until a night of warm wind would bring it suddenly in one morning. Sometimes the heavy cold rains would beat it back so that it would seem that it would never come and that you were losing a season out of your life. But you knew that there would always be the spring as you knew the river would flow again after it was frozen. When the cold rains kept on and killed the spring, it was as though a young person had died for no reason. In those days though the spring always came finally but it was frightening that it had nearly failed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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