Rares back in the old days

[FooK-A-Ji]

Making money in RSC is 100000000000000 times harder then RS2. Before, there were no notes, so you had to trade items 1 by 1, instead of just noting it. Also, the skills were less expanded. Now there is more to do in a skill. Furthermore, some main moneymaking skills (runecrafting, hunter, slayer) didn't exist back in RSC. RSC was a lot different then RS2, and it was a lot harder to train. There was NO PC, no Pyramid Plunder, no Fletch X or Cook X. Overall, it was a lot harder.

 

Why are ppl mentioning the "x" options at all? It's not like they sped up the training. All the "x" option did was slow down the training, but on the other hand making it "easier" to do since there are fewer clicks, thus less concentration is needed and more ppl actually bothered to train the skills.

 

 

 

So you're saying "tan X" amount of hides is slower than the old way?

 

and "smith X" is slower than old way?

[Poopingman]

lol this isnt gud, poopingman is forgetting, i'm forgetting and hohto is starting to forget :|

 

 

 

Yeah...well it is an obscure thing to remember. Was there a lesser in the mages tower before Karamja was released?

[hohto]

lol this isnt gud, poopingman is forgetting, i'm forgetting and hohto is starting to forget :|

 

 

 

Yeah...well it is an obscure thing to remember. Was there a lesser in the mages tower before Karamja was released?

 

 

 

I could swear there was some other monster than a lesser demon in a cage up there, probably a dark wizard, black knight or something.

[Poopingman]

lol this isnt gud, poopingman is forgetting, i'm forgetting and hohto is starting to forget :|

 

 

 

Yeah...well it is an obscure thing to remember. Was there a lesser in the mages tower before Karamja was released?

 

 

 

I could swear there was some other monster than a lesser demon in a cage up there, probably a dark wizard, black knight or something.

 

 

 

I see...yeah that makes sense. Its so long ago its hard to recall. Fair enough.

[drgnslyer_15]

Yes I know about rsc skilling as i did do it for 3 years.....

 

 

 

But still making 230M is harder than making 10M in rsc in my opinion.....

 

 

 

But thats just me

 

 

 

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its actually probably easier making 230m on here than 10m on classic...

 

Well probably not the way the RSC ecomoy is it isn't super sets are goin like 100k ea and aren't hard to make, but before i think it was..

 

 

 

i remember making deals with purples when they were 1m, yellows were 7m, i got my current santa for 160k, and i also remember when masks really started to be worth something (190k, zomg)

 

 

 

Blues were the cheapest back then, i don't know if they are now...

 

 

 

I think yellow is cheapest now?

purples are cheapest.

 

Dal were you talkin blue mask or blue hat? blue hats weren't ever the cheapest i remember I know yellow and red were on the bottom of the pile in classic for a while. As for masks i dont' remember much about the except i thought i was cool and bought a ton of sets then turn around and sold em only to find out a week later they were like 1m a set lol

[sosa]

I remember when crackers punkins and eggs came out, I thought the only good 1 was the pumkins, those were cool. Anyways, I had a ton of party hats, worth free when I droped them, it was a stupid pking item you took out to look stupid. Why would I want something that has no ability other then to show people that your rich (most of the time), or you were smart enough to hang onto them. If so, gratz.

 

 

 

Personly, I wont ever have a rare again. There pointless. & what really bugs me is when you got these newbs that post pointless things about how p hat is SO SO much and want prices lowerd becuase "They dont want one." Or to make hats again. :^o

 

 

 

(To those it may concern) Why would you do that or even say it? Greedy, selfish and your willing to target the work of others to which they were able to buy them. To those, please re-think your line.

[nightspeed]

Rares were easy to buy in classic. Now, you have to work yourself so hard and long to get a rare. This is not fair, and this is unfortunately how the rares market has evolved to become. I remember the prices being as follows when I played: santas for 200k, red masks for 350k (btw nobody actually wanted red, everyone was drooling over blue masks), blue masks 300k, green masks 250k, and phats were I believe at max 10mil.

 

 

 

It was alot easier to make the money to buy a rare back then, and I don't see why it should be different. Rares aren't alot rarer than they were in RSC. I still see tons of them, and their rarity may have only increased by a small percent. There is no great noticeable change. Theerefore, I don't see a good reason for such a huge price leap.

 

 

 

I think that's all I have to say, and I hope I expressed myself well. :shock: Also, my brother and I both mined to make money. It was a great way of making money, even with coal.

[Master_Smither]

Yes I know about rsc skilling as i did do it for 3 years.....

 

 

 

But still making 230M is harder than making 10M in rsc in my opinion.....

 

 

 

But thats just me

 

 

 

1500th Post

its actually probably easier making 230m on here than 10m on classic...

 

Well probably not the way the RSC ecomoy is it isn't super sets are goin like 100k ea and aren't hard to make, but before i think it was..

 

 

 

i remember making deals with purples when they were 1m, yellows were 7m, i got my current santa for 160k, and i also remember when masks really started to be worth something (190k, zomg)

 

 

 

Blues were the cheapest back then, i don't know if they are now...

 

 

 

I think yellow is cheapest now?

purples are cheapest.

 

Dal were you talkin blue mask or blue hat? blue hats weren't ever the cheapest i remember I know yellow and red were on the bottom of the pile in classic for a while. As for masks i dont' remember much about the except i thought i was cool and bought a ton of sets then turn around and sold em only to find out a week later they were like 1m a set lol

 

 

 

Actually before The Great Dupe Blues were most common and the cheapest Pinks(Purples in rs2) were rarest and duped the most.

[iMeR]

yes purples were the rarest before the dupe...i dont think blues were the cheapest before the dupe tho. i think red was.

 

 

 

also i would have to say it was ALOT harder making money in rsc than it is in rs2. To my recollection...super sets were the money maker back in the day...selling for 20K a pop...but to have the herby lvl needed to make them was extremely rare. Also back in rsc alchying wasn't as big because of the fact that very few people were able to make magic longs. About a year and a half AFTER rs2 was release(Nov '05) i got 83 fletch (not even the lvl to make magic longs) and i was ranked 999 in fletching....you could imagine the few amount of people who could profit off fletching on rsc.

 

 

 

nature crafting is a big thing that allowed such an influx of money into the economy, thus putting the phat prices to the amount they are now.

 

 

 

If you can remember any other money makers in rsc..please tell me. (besides the basic mining/fishing)

 

 

 

One last thing...in my eyes...1mil rsc cash is equivelent to about 75-100mil rs2 cash, because:

 

 

 

-Someone can spend a week at godwar dungeon and make enough for a phat

 

-DKing can earn you massive amounts of cash

 

-KQing with a team can also make you a ton of cash

 

 

 

REAL skilling in RSC was the only money maker (besides staking of course)...it would take a month+ to make 1mil cash opposed to 1mil cash in a day in rs2.

[drgnslyer_15]

Actually before The Great Dupe Blues were most common and the cheapest Pinks(Purples in rs2) were rarest and duped the most.

nah cause i would have bought one or 2 red and yellow were the cheapest for a while cause i owned them instead of blue. I fished a ton to buy my 1st hat my other hats came with the help of a friend. I gave him herbs he gave me pots i sold the pots and bought hats lol.. But i know for a fact before the dupe blue wasn't the cheapest because i bought red for the simple fact it was the cheapest lol. I know blue wasn't the most expensive till the dupe.

[Dexek]

Most players who had rares in the past, and some intellect kept the rares because they knew that the price would rise. The fact that some of them look cool is a perk. :)

 

 

 

I see some of the replies are complaints on it being hard now.. it is no harder now that it was in the past. Making 2M currently is thought of as nothing, whereas in the past, as explained, it was a nice bit of work.

 

 

 

I think I agree with you Master. Well, I agree with the basis of your comment, just not the part about keeping them regardless of an obvious price rise. :roll:

[meili]

Blue was not the cheapest before the dupe. Red and yellow were the best-looking party hats so people kept those in the bank and they became the most common. Pink was the most expensive.

[Dragontotem]

what is 'the great dupe' =(

[Gamerr]

Blue was not the cheapest before the dupe. Red and yellow were the best-looking party hats so people kept those in the bank and they became the most common. Pink was the most expensive.

 

 

 

Exactly. Although I never liked the pink ones.

[atestarossa]

what is 'the great dupe' =(

 

this episode back some years ago... where players had found out how to dupe items..

 

 

 

anyways... loads on loads of rares where duped... pink/purple the most, wich is why this is the cheapest hat nowadays... while blue was duped less, and is the most expencive one today because of it.

 

 

 

this is why when it's done a rollback today, all items created is deleted, instead of doubled... in a trade, when items are put up, it's counted as if none of the traders got the items, instead of both.

[hohto]

what is 'the great dupe' =(

 

 

 

Here's my article for it which I wrote for other forums... IMG tags have been removed due the post would become far too long.

 

http://officialzezima.com/board/index.php?showtopic=67

 

 

 

That date is a thing that people won't forget. It's THE dupe day, even tho there has been smaller scale duping before and after it and it wasn't even real duping, it was creating. A Person called SixFeetUnder was trying to make the scythe tradeable with a bot called Autorune. It didn't work, but he created something which could have given him a lot more wealth and fame than the scythe could have done. He found out how to create stackable items. He shared the information with few of his friends, but as we all saw few days later, someone leaked it. Crackers, party hats and dragon items (shield and medium helmets) were on the top of the list what were created, but not the only things.

 

 

 

This day of creation caused a huge fall in party hats and many people who hadn't even dreamt of them were now able to get one. The prices are currently at the skies, but without this day they'd most likely be a lot higher. The reason for duping dragon items was simple: they had the highest high alch value and could create some serious money in no time. It's easy to say now, but Jagex was rather slow back in then. Just by taking servers down and doing a small reset (like jumping back 1 day) they could have stopped the amount of certain items rising. It took them several hours to fix the bug and few days to ban all the accounts the dupers had logged on. There's still rumours of some accounts avoiding the ban, tho.

 

 

 

Normal players who had gotten free/cheap hats weren't banned, even tho some merchants probably hoped so. Some wiser merchants noticed it at the early stage that something was wrong and sold their phats, some suffered probably the biggest loss in whole RS history. Even many top players went nuts from free party hats as we can see some of them even trading the dupers and begging for free ones. Probably the same would happen today too, but it still makes me laugh to see some of those pictures.

 

 

 

Here's some bank pictures and pics from Varrock during that "event".

 

 

 

http://koti.mbnet.fi/hohtava/vanhoi/002.jpg

 

http://koti.mbnet.fi/hohtava/vanhoi/016.jpg

 

http://koti.mbnet.fi/hohtava/vanhoi/019.jpg

 

http://koti.mbnet.fi/hohtava/vanhoi/020.jpg

 

http://koti.mbnet.fi/hohtava/vanhoi/021.jpg

 

http://koti.mbnet.fi/hohtava/vanhoi/023.jpg

 

http://koti.mbnet.fi/hohtava/vanhoi/024.jpg

 

http://koti.mbnet.fi/hohtava/vanhoi/025.jpg

 

http://koti.mbnet.fi/hohtava/vanhoi/026.jpg

 

http://koti.mbnet.fi/hohtava/vanhoi/nezinomas2.jpg

 

http://koti.mbnet.fi/hohtava/vanhoi/nezinomas3.jpg

 

http://koti.mbnet.fi/hohtava/vanhoi/nezinomas1.jpg

 

 

 

Moneywise they wouldn't be THAT superior in these days, you gotta remember how more money comes to the game all the time. However if even one of those banks would have been saved, we'd have the richest rs player of all times without any doubt. You can also imagine what would happen if same kind of a bug was found and abused same way in these days. I bet many merchants would go pretty mad :P

 

 

 

http://koti.mbnet.fi/hohtava/vanhoi/news14ul.gif

 

 

 

Here Jagex first informs that something is going on and then states the holes have been filled.

 

 

 

http://koti.mbnet.fi/hohtava/vanhoi/news20ly.gif

 

 

 

In this picture they are clearing the air a bit. They promised a free full life time membership to the one who gives the information to stop this thing. It's been rumoured that some of the dupers informed them and got banned after that. Even tho some are still in nowadays complaining that Jagex lied as they banned them, in my eyes it was the only real thing to do. After all member accounts can get permanently banned for breaking rules and that if something was against the gaming spirit.

[drgnslyer_15]

Blue was not the cheapest before the dupe. Red and yellow were the best-looking party hats so people kept those in the bank and they became the most common. Pink was the most expensive.

yep blue was one 2nd most expensive if i remember correctly simply bc i bought all hats except blue and pink.. Pink simply because its ugly and blue bc i didn't have the cash atm.

[hohto]

Blue was not the cheapest before the dupe. Red and yellow were the best-looking party hats so people kept those in the bank and they became the most common. Pink was the most expensive.

yep blue was one 2nd most expensive if i remember correctly simply bc i bought all hats except blue and pink.. Pink simply because its ugly and blue bc i didn't have the cash atm.

 

 

 

Also the fact that Chewy Shoe had collected MANY pinks away from the markets affected to their supply and thus to their price.

[Dragontotem]

thanks for clarifying hohto

[drgnslyer_15]

Blue was not the cheapest before the dupe. Red and yellow were the best-looking party hats so people kept those in the bank and they became the most common. Pink was the most expensive.

yep blue was one 2nd most expensive if i remember correctly simply bc i bought all hats except blue and pink.. Pink simply because its ugly and blue bc i didn't have the cash atm.

 

 

 

Also the fact that Chewy Shoe had collected MANY pinks away from the markets affected to their supply and thus to their price.

yeah well i never liked the pink hat thats why i never attempted to get one. I remember people always talkin about chewy and gasheart. gasheart didn't have as many hats as people thought unless she sold em around the time of the dupe. She was actually the one that sold me my white back on classic

[hohto]

Also the fact that Chewy Shoe had collected MANY pinks away from the markets affected to their supply and thus to their price.

yeah well i never liked the pink hat thats why i never attempted to get one. I remember people always talkin about chewy and gasheart. gasheart didn't have as many hats as people thought unless she sold em around the time of the dupe. She was actually the one that sold me my white back on classic

 

 

 

He sold most of his hats the same day it happened: he smelled how there was something fishy going on and sold majority of his hats. He had many of them and funded 99 smith after selling them, but unlike Chewy, he collected them pretty equally and merchanted while Chewy only collected pinks.

 

 

 

Btw here's his bank during the journey to 99 smith AFTER selling the party hats....

 

 

 

[FooK-A-Ji]

totally love the amount of money an f2p'er like gasheart had :P

[Gamerr]

totally love the amount of money an f2p'er like gasheart had :P

 

 

 

I believe you could deposit cash in amounts of 5K right? Then he should click 48537 times to deposit all his cash in the bank.

[Duke_Freedom]

totally love the amount of money an f2p'er like gasheart had :P

 

 

 

And you just don't want to know what a pain it was to withdraw and deposit such large amounts of money at 2500gp / click... *sighs at the thought of those "good" old times* :P

 

 

 

A lot of comparing of apples to pears in this thread though. Depending on the way you look at it, both the people who claim it is easier to make 230mil now than 10mil back then and the people who say it was easier to make 10mil back then and 230mil back now are right.

 

 

 

The point is, you shouldn't be comparing coal mining back in rsc to level 91 nature rune crafting now. Obviously, if you do that, the latter is easier. No - a better comparison would be, for example, rune miners versus nature rune crafters now. Making this comparison I'm quite sure the rune miners back could afford 10 mil much more easily then nature rune crafters now. An even fairer comparison may be rune miners back in the days versus the "abyssal daemon billionaires". The people who reached 85 slayer first probably had an equally easy time to get 230mil as those with 85 mining had to get 10 mil back in the days. This is not too strange, considering the exclusivity of 85 mining back in the time as well.

 

 

 

In essence this simply means that rares prices adjust for the best money making opportunities that the highest level players have.

 

 

 

Comparing coal mining now versus coal mining back in the days 10 mil was FAR easier to gather back then than 230 mil nowadays. Sure, back then we had certing, slower mining, carpal tunnel syndrome from all the clicking (;)) and what not, but the difference in mining speed is NOT a factor of 23x. I would be surprised if the objective factor difference would be more than 3x already.

 

 

 

This DOES mean that rares, for the poorer / lower leveled portion of the game's population are way more out of reach nowadays than they were back in the days. Back in the days it was *possible* for people to buy rares by mining coal. That just isn't realistically possible anymore now though.

[FooK-A-Ji]

totally love the amount of money an f2p'er like gasheart had :P

 

 

 

I believe you could deposit cash in amounts of 5K right? Then he should click 48537 times to deposit all his cash in the bank.

 

 

 

no buy 2500 :P

 

so take 48537 and multiply it by 2 :o