If I have to kill 500 dolphins, 30 whales, 80 dogs, 5000 cats, 120 chimpanzees, and a hippo to find the cures for AIDS and cancer, and possibly human stupidity, give me a knife and I'll get the job done.

 

 

 

Oh, ya, I hate cats. And whales are hard to kill single-handedly, so I gave myself a break.

 

 

 

I agree with you, but uh, good luck killing a hippo. :lol: Also, we are the dominant species, we need animals to survive. Animal Cruelty is wrong, yes, but we need them to survive. This man was wrong, though.

...And humans are simply ignorant morons who run around causing the annihilation of this planet.

 

What's your point?

 

 

 

My point is that no matter how intellectually advanced or how superior humans believe that they may be, it's inevitable that they'll lead to this planet's downfall.

 

Hell frikkin' no. Not only are we magnitudes of power away from achieving such a feat (using every explosive on the planet at once we don't come even close) , nearly all "end of the human race" scenarios are caused by natural occurances, not man-made ones. So the human race may die for some reason, but the planet's probably gunna live on long after we're gone.

 

 

 

So not only is your point wrong, but I have yet to find the reason why you even mentioned it.

 

 

 

Haven't you ever heard abut a nuclear war!? World War Three will be the end of the human race as we know it, mark my words...

To Agunimon979: Even though animals don't have complex emotions like we do, they still have emotions no matter how simple they are, especially the smarter ones such as dolphins.

 

 

 

I'm not talking about hunting as a cruelty, I never said it was right, but it isn't cruel unless you like shoot out all of its legs and leave it :?

 

 

 

Well yes, I have heard dogs whine because they've been locked up and stuff, but they animals don't have emotions for the same reasons humans do.

 

 

 

Hunting is not cruelty, yes, but what you said about shoot all of its legs and leave it is cruelty.

 

 

 

When you shoot an animal, what do you think goes on in it's brain when it's dieing? "Omfg tehy shotted me I'm dieing those [beep] [beep]'s shot me now Im gonna die"? They probably dont think anythign when they die.

 

 

 

You're not a dog, so you wouldn't know. MY opinion on this is that they do have emotions, because they have a brain, and a mind. They can become loyal companions, and also big pieces of crap on your lawn. But most of us (humans) love them, so whatever.

To Agunimon979: Even though animals don't have complex emotions like we do, they still have emotions no matter how simple they are, especially the smarter ones such as dolphins.

 

 

 

I'm not talking about hunting as a cruelty, I never said it was right, but it isn't cruel unless you like shoot out all of its legs and leave it :?

 

 

 

Well yes, I have heard dogs whine because they've been locked up and stuff, but they animals don't have emotions for the same reasons humans do.

 

 

 

Hunting is not cruelty, yes, but what you said about shoot all of its legs and leave it is cruelty.

 

 

 

When you shoot an animal, what do you think goes on in it's brain when it's dieing? "Omfg tehy shotted me I'm dieing those [beep] [beep]'s shot me now Im gonna die"? They probably dont think anythign when they die.

 

 

 

You're not a dog, so you wouldn't know. MY opinion on this is that they do have emotions, because they have a brain, and a mind. They can become loyal companions, and also big pieces of crap on your lawn. But most of us (humans) love them, so whatever.

 

 

 

 

 

I agree...technically this is ALL speculation, for all we know the animals like cruelty(not likely:P)

 

 

 

just making a point

Being an animal lover myself, I'm totally against cruelty to them.

 

 

 

I believe that an act of cruelty against an animal should be treated the same as though the act were against a person.

 

 

 

Frankly, anyone who is capable of doing something that awful (feeding a cat to a dog whilst still alive), is a dangerous person and it would be better for society if they were put safely behind bars.

 

 

 

Having said this... I'm all for cruelty against Chavs (yes, they're animals!)

Being an animal lover myself, I'm totally against cruelty to them.

 

 

 

I believe that an act of cruelty against an animal should be treated the same as though the act were against a person.

 

 

 

Frankly, anyone who is capable of doing something that awful (feeding a cat to a dog whilst still alive), is a dangerous person and it would be better for society if they were put safely behind bars.

 

 

 

Having said this... I'm all for cruelty against Chavs (yes, they're animals!)

 

 

 

Yeah, we're a strange breed aren't we? I feel more annoyed when i see cruelty to animals (even dangerous ones) compared to when i see bullying.

Being an animal lover myself, I'm totally against cruelty to them.

 

 

 

I believe that an act of cruelty against an animal should be treated the same as though the act were against a person.

 

 

 

Frankly, anyone who is capable of doing something that awful (feeding a cat to a dog whilst still alive), is a dangerous person and it would be better for society if they were put safely behind bars.

 

 

 

Having said this... I'm all for cruelty against Chavs (yes, they're animals!)

 

 

 

Yeah, we're a strange breed aren't we? I feel more annoyed when i see cruelty to animals (even dangerous ones) compared to when i see bullying.

 

 

 

lol..I know what you mean

 

 

 

 

 

And LOL @ CRUELTY TO CHAVS!

to answer your question simply, i don't have a stand for or against animal cruelty, because there isn't a solid definition of what constitutes cruelty.

 

 

 

so what i do believe is: Humans come first.

 

 

 

call me insensitive, whatever. i believe that humans are superior to animals. i am a hunter, i enjoy eating wild game. is that cruelty? to some people, yes.

 

 

 

to me, the only animal "cruelty" that should be punishable by law is unnecessary cruelty, such as what is described in the article. it doesn't contribute anything to or protect anything from anyone. in cases of self defense, such as a man shooting a dog to protect his child from injury is justified. hunting is justified because it provides food for people, and there are even groups who work to distribute unused wild game to the homeless and other charitable organizations.

 

 

 

flame me if you will, but it wont phase me or change my opinion.

Noone in their right mind would say" Ya cruelty to animals rocks!".

 

 

 

It's horrible what some people do.

 

 

 

Their plain losers who have no life and hurt animals.

Being an animal lover myself, I'm totally against cruelty to them.

 

 

 

I believe that an act of cruelty against an animal should be treated the same as though the act were against a person.

 

 

 

Frankly, anyone who is capable of doing something that awful (feeding a cat to a dog whilst still alive), is a dangerous person and it would be better for society if they were put safely behind bars.

 

 

 

Having said this... I'm all for cruelty against Chavs (yes, they're animals!)

 

 

 

Yeah, we're a strange breed aren't we? I feel more annoyed when i see cruelty to animals (even dangerous ones) compared to when i see bullying.

 

 

 

My feelings exactly.

 

 

 

Although I'm against cruelty to any living thing of any sort, chavs and/or any other form of intellectually challenged delinquents are an exception; I think that they deserve to be beaten (or perhaps verbally abused, though verbal abuse isn't very effective in my opinion) in the most brutal manner possible.

I personally despise people who abuse animals for amusement or just becasue they can and I'm pretty sure no one is going to be stupid enough to post that they like to kill or harm animals. However, it should be how extreme people are willing to go to prevent animals that we should be talking about. If you mean going as far as not to kill insects or get rid of rats in your house than thats to extreme. The only thing I consider abuse is unessesary harms to animals...like cockfighting or that one football player that electrocuted dogs.

flame me if you will, but it wont phase me or change my opinion.

 

 

 

It isn't good to be close-minded like that. If someone presents a fantastic argument, what if it does change your opinion? You might say that it's unlikely to change your opinion, but give people a chance possibly.

You do have to think about what the bible says (if you're a Christian!); "And Man shall have dominion over every fish in the sea, every bird in the air, and every beast on the land" or something along those lines.

 

 

 

 

 

Just don't exactly abuse or torture them... I'm pretty sure that wasn't what He had in mind. :notalk:

 

 

 

But, sure, if it's using horses as transportation/working on the farm etc., go for it, it's not exactly torturing them. If it's killing pigs, cows, chickens etc. etc., for the food, sure. (Again, Christians, don't eat pigs, they're unclean.) Just use the humane way and don't starve them to death or anything. Besides, that would ruin the point of killing them for food in the first place... Okay, that's my 2 cents.

You do have to think about what the bible says (if you're a Christian!); "And Man shall have dominion over every fish in the sea, every bird in the air, and every beast on the land" or something along those lines.

 

 

 

 

 

Just don't exactly abuse or torture them... I'm pretty sure that wasn't what He had in mind. :notalk:

 

 

 

But, sure, if it's using horses as transportation/working on the farm etc., go for it, it's not exactly torturing them. If it's killing pigs, cows, chickens etc. etc., for the food, sure. (Again, Christians, don't eat pigs, they're unclean.) Just use the humane way and don't starve them to death or anything. Besides, that would ruin the point of killing them for food in the first place... Okay, that's my 2 cents.

 

 

 

 

 

Once again, This thread isn't agains the killing of farm animals for food. Thats what they're there for. Its the actual CRUELTY, such as working a horse to near death and then just stopping feeding it.

As someone who'd kill an animal without any remorse, I must say, I wouldn't torture the damn thing.

 

 

 

I'm human, if the animal killed a loved one. You can bet your sweet [wagon] that I will torture it.

 

I'm human, if the animal killed a loved one. You can bet your sweet [wagon] that I will torture it.

 

Ok let's consider a slightly less intense situation. If the animal did not kill your loved one but damaged his or her balls, would you torture it?

 

Humans are the dominent species. As long as we are beinifiting I don't really see a problem. Its not something you can say is right or wrong, it just sort of is.

 

 

 

uh.. the logic is a bit flawed: By that reasoning it's completely fine to take advantage of say native tribes, because we are the dominant culture. "As long as we are beinifiting I don't really see a problem. Its not something you can say is right or wrong, it just sort of is." =P

 

Slavery of black people is also fine according to your reasoning, because we are the dominant race and we can also treat women as we please, because we are the dominant gender. It just sort of is....

 

 

 

It's not flawed, you're reasoning is incorrect. He said dominate species, and native tribes, or black people during the slavery period are all the same species as us. Race or gender has nothing to do with it.

 

 

 

Took the words out of my mouth.

 

 

 

Likewise.

 

 

 

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Drawing the line at members of the same species looks a bit arbitrary to me. (In fact completely arbitrary.)

 

Humans are the dominent species. As long as we are beinifiting I don't really see a problem. Its not something you can say is right or wrong, it just sort of is.

 

 

 

uh.. the logic is a bit flawed: By that reasoning it's completely fine to take advantage of say native tribes, because we are the dominant culture. "As long as we are beinifiting I don't really see a problem. Its not something you can say is right or wrong, it just sort of is." =P

 

Slavery of black people is also fine according to your reasoning, because we are the dominant race and we can also treat women as we please, because we are the dominant gender. It just sort of is....

 

 

 

It's not flawed, you're reasoning is incorrect. He said dominate species, and native tribes, or black people during the slavery period are all the same species as us. Race or gender has nothing to do with it.

 

 

 

Took the words out of my mouth.

 

 

 

Likewise.

 

 

 

+3

 

 

 

o.0

 

 

 

Drawing the line at members of the same species looks a bit arbitrary to me. (In fact completely arbitrary.)

 

Yeah why do we have "species" and "taxonomy" and "science" anyway? It's all crazy and arbitrary!

 

I'm human, if the animal killed a loved one. You can bet your sweet [wagon] that I will torture it.

 

Ok let's consider a slightly less intense situation. If the animal did not kill your loved one but damaged his or her balls, would you torture it?

 

 

 

 

 

her?! :shock: :lol:

 

 

 

I personally wouldn't know how to answer that....looking forward to Grim's response :lol:

Personally I despise animal creulty, its horrific to hear stories about people who starve and beat there animals. For what reason?! Animal have just as much of a right to be on this world as we do, and I'm sure the abuser would not like it much if they were treated the same way.

 

 

 

If an animal is killed for a purpose (i.e. food, not just for the sake of it), and it is killed humanely, then I don't really have a problem with it.

 

Which is why I have a problem with products like veal, a calf that is locked in a room so small it cannot move to make the meat less tough. That is sick.

Im totally against animal cruelty.

 

 

 

If you put a naked man with no weapon, and a tiger as you find them in the wild in a cage for half an hour, who do you think will win?

to answer your question simply, i don't have a stand for or against animal cruelty, because there isn't a solid definition of what constitutes cruelty.

 

 

 

so what i do believe is: Humans come first.

 

 

 

call me insensitive, whatever. i believe that humans are superior to animals. i am a hunter, i enjoy eating wild game. is that cruelty? to some people, yes.

 

 

 

to me, the only animal "cruelty" that should be punishable by law is unnecessary cruelty, such as what is described in the article. it doesn't contribute anything to or protect anything from anyone. in cases of self defense, such as a man shooting a dog to protect his child from injury is justified. hunting is justified because it provides food for people, and there are even groups who work to distribute unused wild game to the homeless and other charitable organizations.

 

 

 

flame me if you will, but it wont phase me or change my opinion.

 

 

 

This is my stance as well.

 

 

 

Animals die everyday and feel pain from other animals which is okay, but comming from a human "omg torture! emo signals flaring!"

 

 

 

As stated above, I don't agree with unncessary cruelty, just the fact that they are mutually our food supply and must die for us to survive.

 

I'm human, if the animal killed a loved one. You can bet your sweet [wagon] that I will torture it.

 

Ok let's consider a slightly less intense situation. If the animal did not kill your loved one but damaged his or her balls, would you torture it?

 

 

 

Wouldn't you? O.o

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Humans are the dominent species. As long as we are beinifiting I don't really see a problem. Its not something you can say is right or wrong, it just sort of is.

 

 

 

uh.. the logic is a bit flawed: By that reasoning it's completely fine to take advantage of say native tribes, because we are the dominant culture. "As long as we are beinifiting I don't really see a problem. Its not something you can say is right or wrong, it just sort of is." =P

 

Slavery of black people is also fine according to your reasoning, because we are the dominant race and we can also treat women as we please, because we are the dominant gender. It just sort of is....

 

 

 

It's not flawed, you're reasoning is incorrect. He said dominate species, and native tribes, or black people during the slavery period are all the same species as us. Race or gender has nothing to do with it.

 

 

 

Took the words out of my mouth.

 

 

 

Likewise.

 

 

 

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Drawing the line at members of the same species looks a bit arbitrary to me. (In fact completely arbitrary.)

 

Yeah why do we have "species" and "taxonomy" and "science" anyway? It's all crazy and arbitrary!

 

 

 

I don't know how to put it..

 

 

 

Because we are the dominant species we can do what we want to other species. That doesn't apply to the dominant culture, race or gender though. Why not?

 

 

 

I could go ahead and say because we belong to the dominant culture we may do as we see fit to any other culture. In fact we can do as we see fit. We may choose it is fit to treat other cultures as equal of course and grant them equal rights. Slavery of blacks for example was abolished by whites, if i'm not wrong.

 

 

 

So the dominant culture of the dominant species chooses to grant other cultures the same rights, but not other species. That is completely arbitrary. It just seems to be easier to feel sympathy for members of the same species then for members of other species. You can't tell that we need animals for food or whatever, because we don't. It's just convenient to eat them. We didn't need slaves either. It just was convenient.

 

 

 

 

 

All that has nothing to do with my opinion on meat, animals, slaves or whatever.

Animals die everyday and feel pain from other animals which is okay, but comming from a human "omg torture! emo signals flaring!"

 

 

 

As stated above, I don't agree with unncessary cruelty, just the fact that they are mutually our food supply and must die for us to survive.

 

I think this has been said before, but most animals have little/no ability to make choices in their diets. Humans do and meat isn't required at all for us to survive.