Bots-Good or Bad?

[hbk_hossack]

Not that long ago, i saw a topic about how bots were good and that they helped the economy, giving us cheaper prices by bringing in thousands of yew logs, dragon bones etc., and some people agreed with him. But on the other hand, Bots are stealing Trees among other things from legitimate players and a major pest which i personally like to see exterminated. So where do you stand? Do you think bots are helping the Rs Economy or are they something which has no worth and should be eliminated from Runescape? And don't forget to give a reason for your agument!

 

 

 

\ Tat

[Freesia]

I still think it depends on which side you are on. Being the secondary industry, you benefit from this because of cheaper costs for your activity. However if you work in primary industry (resource gathering), you will be hit badly by super competition and loss of profits for your job.

 

 

 

Since there was a topic already on this, why not use it? :-k

[F_L_4_5_H_D]

If I could stay logged in all day playing Runescape it wouldn't bother me, but with all the new updates, I've had to begin thinking of more inventive ways to make money. When I started Runescape couple years ago, everything was about 1.5x more then it is now. Also there was now scamming for cash as much. The thing I want to see done with the bots is either allow ONE bot per runescape owner, OR allow no bots on runescape at all by banning all users of autoing programs within Runescape. This includes IP bans as if you've done it once, you'll do it again.

[mrmyk]

I still think it depends on which side you are on. Being the secondary industry, you benefit from this because of cheaper costs for your activity. However if you work in primary industry (resource gathering), you will be hit badly by super competition and loss of profits for your job.

 

 

 

Since there was a topic already on this, why not use it? :-k

 

 

 

I have noticed bots have started moving into secondary industries such as nature crafting so i'm not sure it's all good either :P.

 

 

 

Sure, bots make prices goes down but why on earth would be want that? I still think the game is too easy and if the primary items such as ores and logs where harder to get then 99's would regain some dignity as we all think skills like fletching are too easy to get and some people even look down upon them nowadays. That being said, I think the damage has been done on the most part and we can't bring back all these months/years where bots have effected the market.

[Solidus_77]

The buyers get easy supplies at the cost of the sellers who have a very hard time completing with bots. The bots use unfair methods (unfair because they are not available to all of us) and therefore we need to protect the honest consumers.

[Triforceelf]

Its against the rules. You dont need another reason for them to be bad.

[Master_Smither]

BAD!

 

 

 

Being someone who gets most of his supplies through skills and such isn't in favour of bots and never buys from them.

 

 

 

:)

[Unoalexi]

Bots are killing the RS economy, not helping it. How long until sharks are 500g each, or even 100g ea!? It that right? NO! The honest players who worked HOURS to get 1k sharks shouldn't have to sell them for only 100k! Bots(ALL bots, even the ones you merchanters use to speak rapidly!) are bad because they are against Jagex rules, PERIOD!!

[Cobradudes20]

BAD BAD BAD

 

 

 

A year or so ago sharks where 1.2k cooked now their what? 700? lobsters 250 now 200 you would see maybe 1 bot at the karajama fish spot or at the yews...i have counted over 30 at one time per one of those spots. So players suffer from this look at my siggy bots are making our life's VERY difficult

[Alg]

BAD BAD BAD

 

 

 

A year or so ago sharks where 1.2k cooked now their what? 700? lobsters 250 now 200 you would see maybe 1 bot at the karajama fish spot or at the yews...i have counted over 30 at one time per one of those spots. So players suffer from this look at my siggy bots are making our life's VERY difficult

 

er, sharks are back in the 950-1000 range, as for lobs, 200-250, up to 300 raw.

 

think out of the box that jagex has given you, you'll be able to see other reasons to why they're good or bad. most here seem to just go with the accepted and approved reasons.

[RU_Insane]

Not that long ago, i saw a topic about how bots were good and that they helped the economy, giving us cheaper prices by bringing in thousands of yew logs, dragon bones etc., and some people agreed with him. But on the other hand, Bots are stealing Trees among other things from legitimate players and a major pest which i personally like to see exterminated. So where do you stand? Do you think bots are helping the Rs Economy or are they something which has no worth and should be eliminated from Runescape? And don't forget to give a reason for your agument!

 

 

 

\ Tat

 

 

 

In the middle. They're not good because it's against the rules, but they're not bad because they're helping the economy and getting rid of annoying skillers :D. The Macros get their produce and then sell them for extremely cheap prices, so all the hard work is done for us! (And you can make a nice profit from them.) Also, bots, sadly enough will never be eliminated.

[Makoto_the_Phoenix]

The debate between bots being good and bad is a two-edged sword. I'll spell it out for you, then reply to some of the quotes going around.

 

 

 

First of all, bots are morally wrong. They go against the very rules we agreed to when we signed up, they interfere with legitimate players' activities, and they act as a drain on the entire society as a whole. We players are loathe to be in cohorts (or even on the same server) as one of them, and won't hesitate calling them all kinds of obscenities. I can even recall, on these very forums (and on the RSOF), someone developed a racial hatred towards the Chinese because of RuneScape.

 

 

 

Bots are also wrong in the immediate logical sense that they invade our economy and begin to profit off of us; legitimate players that are buying some goods in the marketplace. They also belittle our own strides and efforts when we gather goods in large quantities, and begin to sell it. They intentionally undercut us and then we gain either little or no profit at all. They also have an effect on inflation and the amount of goods that are brought to market every day; I recall that Dragon bone prices fell to 1.5K each and have only now recovered.

 

 

 

The good side about bots is that they actually provide a sense of anti-heroism to the economy. In the case of Green Dragonhide, that was always a pain to get and players seldom wanted to risk being PKer fodder. They fell dramatically below 1.3K to a point, but due to bans have risen yet again.

 

 

 

They also give cause and alarm to Jagex to help improve the game's vaunted (and well-bragged about) security and anti-macro features. If it weren't for them, Jagex wouldn't have been able to provide the game with updates that hinder bots (and reward, sometimes, regular players).

 

 

 

Now, around the horn.

 

 

 

Its against the rules. You dont need another reason for them to be bad.

 

 

 

Stealing is also against the rules in society, but if your family had no food for the past six days, and this was the only way to get it (conviction, two years since you held a job that paid more than $6/hr), stealing would not be a bad thing to him in his eyes. Depends on how you see it, though.

 

 

 

Bots are killing the RS economy, not helping it. How long until sharks are 500g each, or even 100g ea!? It that right? NO! The honest players who worked HOURS to get 1k sharks shouldn't have to sell them for only 100k! Bots(ALL bots, even the ones you merchanters use to speak rapidly!) are bad because they are against Jagex rules, PERIOD!!

 

 

 

Tell me this: would several ten-thousands of legitimate players that sell sharks at a lower and lower price have just the same effect as the bots? Because according to you, they wouldn't; you rule out legitimate players lowering the price all on their own, out of hard work, and you say that bots and bots alone are killing the economy.

[Unoalexi]

 

 

 

Its against the rules. You dont need another reason for them to be bad.

 

 

 

Stealing is also against the rules in society, but if your family had no food for the past six days, and this was the only way to get it (conviction, two years since you held a job that paid more than $6/hr), stealing would not be a bad thing to him in his eyes. Depends on how you see it, though.

 

 

 

 

We are talking about bots, not gold farmers. Bots made by hackers who 'want to test their Java skills' or something along those lines. Since these people are doing this for pleasure and not to feed their families, the whole bit about stealing has no relation whatsoever.

 

 

Bots are killing the RS economy, not helping it. How long until sharks are 500g each, or even 100g ea!? It that right? NO! The honest players who worked HOURS to get 1k sharks shouldn't have to sell them for only 100k! Bots(ALL bots, even the ones you merchanters use to speak rapidly!) are bad because they are against Jagex rules, PERIOD!!

 

 

 

Tell me this: would several ten-thousands of legitimate players that sell sharks at a lower and lower price have just the same effect as the bots? Because according to you, they wouldn't; you rule out legitimate players lowering the price all on their own, out of hard work, and you say that bots and bots alone are killing the economy.

 

 

 

I believe you are missing the point here. These bots play the game 24 hours a day, seven days a week, fishing sharks. Thus, with all these sharks, they are able to sell them at extremely low prices and still get a decent profit, with no effort and time spent whatsoever from the bot owner.(i.e a unfair advantage) Now, a legit player, in theory, could do this, however who is able to spend every second of their time on runescape?!(If you do. I recommend you seek medical help immediately.)

 

Plus, if you did do this, why would you want to sell said sharks at such a low price?! The sharks are absolutely worthless to the botter(he gets thousands a day basically for free), so he could really care less.

[Triforceelf]

 

 

 

Its against the rules. You dont need another reason for them to be bad.

 

 

 

Stealing is also against the rules in society, but if your family had no food for the past six days, and this was the only way to get it (conviction, two years since you held a job that paid more than $6/hr), stealing would not be a bad thing to him in his eyes. Depends on how you see it, though.

 

 

 

Well, considering that there are government sponsored programs (whether or not they should exist is another debate) along with plenty of charities out there. There is never a legitimate reason to break the law unless it is an unjust law. No stealing and no botting are both just laws. The law of runescape is no bots. Ergo, bots are wrong and should be banned no matter if they are good or bad for the economy.

[Dizzle229]

bots are bad. they completely ruin the money making proccess. and the bot owners just send everything to their mains and ruin the experience to all of us that actually PLAY the game.

 

 

 

Player > Bot

 

 

 

FACT

[Alg]

thing is, the money the bots make from their cheap resources goes into finding RWT, according to jagex/bot advertisers. i'm fairly sure you know what happens with RWT and the dumber variety of runescaper...

[Great_one]

i think bots are both good and bad

 

 

 

good-keep yew cutters in check ex)w/o yew bots prices would fluxuate to

 

much prices would go up because

 

there arnt to many yew cutters

 

sence prices r up more ppl cut

 

yews and prices go back down

 

-keeps d-bones cheep ex) at best prayer costs 8gp for 1xp

 

- more flax--good for crafters

 

-more coal--good for smithers

 

 

 

 

 

bad- most prices go down-bad for material collectors

 

 

 

 

 

in all i say good :-w

[Rebdragon]

Its against the rules. You dont need another reason for them to be bad.

 

Okay, so you can hold a Stage 4 opinion.

 

 

 

Let's shoot for 5, m'kay? Same goes for half the people on this thread.

[Triforceelf]

Its against the rules. You dont need another reason for them to be bad.

 

Okay, so you can hold a Stage 4 opinion.

 

 

 

Let's shoot for 5, m'kay? Same goes for half the people on this thread.

 

 

 

Sometimes simplicity is louder then the longest essay.

 

 

 

That said, lets take a deeper look at this. According to the rules, botting is wrong. But if its decided that the benefit out ways the loses botting is ok in runescape what happens? Well first of all, the game will quickly lose its appeal. The point of runescape is you working for your goal. You have to put for the effort to achieve the reward. If you don't have to put forth the effort, the game loses the point. And then there are the people still working to get it the right way. Their achievement is invalidated because they did it the hard way but it ended up being being pointless because so many people did it the easy way your achievement is lost in the crowd. When you realize that it is now pointless to play the game, so you quit. RS goes downhill rapidly thanks to the botters. No one plays this broken game, and those who broke it now no longer play because there is no one to boast to. The botters have now killed runescape, and move on to the next victim.

[mchainmail]

If I could stay logged in all day playing Runescape it wouldn't bother me, but with all the new updates, I've had to begin thinking of more inventive ways to make money. When I started Runescape couple years ago, everything was about 1.5x more then it is now. Also there was now scamming for cash as much. The thing I want to see done with the bots is either allow ONE bot per runescape owner, OR allow no bots on runescape at all by banning all users of autoing programs within Runescape. This includes IP bans as if you've done it once, you'll do it again.

 

 

 

We already do have bots. It's called MTK.

[Ouchy]

I will admit that Jagex has done a wonderful job with runescape but i think that it is partly there fault for allowing bots.

 

When i fish at Karmarja and walk back i see about 20 odd bots chopping the willows. I report at least 5 of them but i never see any of them get banned. Does Jagex not care?

 

or am i taking the wrong choice?

[syndrome445]

And they say there is no such thing as a stupid question -.- (only suppliers like me should put supplies into the economy)

[klankaos]

That said, lets take a deeper look at this. According to the rules, botting is wrong. But if its decided that the benefit out ways the loses botting is ok in runescape what happens? Well first of all, the game will quickly lose its appeal. The point of runescape is you working for your goal. You have to put for the effort to achieve the reward. If you don't have to put forth the effort, the game loses the point. And then there are the people still working to get it the right way. Their achievement is invalidated because they did it the hard way but it ended up being being pointless because so many people did it the easy way your achievement is lost in the crowd. When you realize that it is now pointless to play the game, so you quit. RS goes downhill rapidly thanks to the botters. No one plays this broken game, and those who broke it now no longer play because there is no one to boast to. The botters have now killed runescape, and move on to the next victim.

 

Be serious. Runescape is not dead - there are still millions of people that play the game. I will agree, however, with your point about 'the point of RuneScape' - working toward your goals in really the only thing to do in the game. However, this said, we must realize that it's never pointless to play the game as long as you can be proud of yourself, and macros truly aren't ruining this for anyone. If you take pride in your accomplishments, and let the insults simply flow off, you will continue playing the game for as long as it's enjoyable.

 

 

 

Your other point that I take exception to is the idea that macroers are ruining your achievements. You talk about the 'easy way' versus the 'hard way', and say that macros are the easy way. At least that's the way I'm taking it. If I'm wrong, please correct me. However, the issue with this point is that the bots do not play RuneScape for that same reason players do - the sense of accomplishment and the enjoyment you get from playing the game and doing what you want to do. Macros only make the achievements easier because it's easier to buy the raw materials necessary for your goals - they don't actually make the achievement itself easier. The reason that achievements are being 'lost in the flood', as you say, is simply the increased number of people who play the game. Macroers really have no input on this.

 

 

 

The final way that macroers affect the game for us players is, simply, the economy. Now is where we find the serious point, and the truly serious way that macroers affect the game. They've drastically decreased the price of logs, fish, etc. and made it far easier to get these items. This is good because of the increased ease of playing the game and decreased frustration at the market and RuneScape's severe lack of an easy way to obtain large amounts of resources. Without bots, there would be no large stockpile of yew logs to buy from for that fletching cape, or raw sharks for the cooking cape. HOWEVER - they are bad because they destroy the economy for those players wishing to sell their own harvests, because most of these players simply can't keep up with the demand of the general populace. Therefore, people buy from autoers. So, in conclusion, it affects two separate parts of the playerbase differently, but overall, I believe that they are a bad influence on the game and the economy.

[lol000999]

Bots are killing the RS economy, not helping it. How long until sharks are 500g each, or even 100g ea!? It that right? NO! The honest players who worked HOURS to get 1k sharks shouldn't have to sell them for only 100k! Bots(ALL bots, even the ones you merchanters use to speak rapidly!) are bad because they are against Jagex rules, PERIOD!!

 

 

 

Yes, but then it encourages people to start cooking. People think oh yes Raw sharks 500 Gp cheap what happens people are crazy buying them then they raise again because of that. They have a big effect on the economy.

[IAm314159]

It, of course, depends from your viewpoint.

 

 

 

Good: They help keep the prices of certain commodities (especially yew logs) down, which means VERY good news for traders. They make good money using those things. After Jagex began mass banning of bots, the price of yew logs skyrocketed (OK, maybe I'm exaggerating) from around 270 ea to around 330 ea. :shock: Good news for legitimate woodcutters like me! :-w

 

 

 

Bad: They steal the trees from real woodcutters. Period. End of story. :evil:

 

 

 

I would personally side towards the side which says that bots are bad.

 

C'MON, I HATE BOTS!