Why do blacks get special treatment?

[PaperClipsYaaaar]

For those of you complaining that a black person will get into a school with lower grades than you ... Do you even understand what a scholarship is?

 

 

 

I wager that you don't, and I suggest you learn just exactly how it operates, because until then, I don't think your worthy of discussing an issue with if you make baseless assumptions like that.

 

A scholarship gives money, not school acceptance. They are complaining that money is being given to one specific race.

 

 

 

I am well-aware of what they are complaining about: they, however, do not share the same awareness as to the processes involved regarding how scholarships are given, or the basic precepts behind the allocation of money towards these ends.

 

The process is pretty simple and I don't see any evidence that people are misunderstanding the situation.

 

 

 

It appears we are reading two different threads.

 

Well at least give an example of how someone is misunderstanding it.

[Darksavior69]

For those of you complaining that a black person will get into a school with lower grades than you ... Do you even understand what a scholarship is?

 

 

 

I wager that you don't, and I suggest you learn just exactly how it operates, because until then, I don't think your worthy of discussing an issue with if you make baseless assumptions like that.

 

A scholarship gives money, not school acceptance. They are complaining that money is being given to one specific race.

 

 

 

I am well-aware of what they are complaining about: they, however, do not share the same awareness as to the processes involved regarding how scholarships are given, or the basic precepts behind the allocation of money towards these ends.

 

The process is pretty simple and I don't see any evidence that people are misunderstanding the situation.

 

 

 

It appears we are reading two different threads.

 

Well at least give an example of how someone is misunderstanding it.

 

It's besides the point really. Scholarship or acceptance, using race over merit for either is discrimination and it's just semantics you're arguing.

[goldphishies]

Betcha the head or dean or whatever at that school is black. :-w

 

But honestly... I don't really know how to reply. I mean, it's unfair that they give blacks special opportunities, but is it also unfair to give mentally handicapped people special opportunities, such as Special Ed.? I'm not comparing the two groups, just using it as a metaphor. And when you think of all the more opportunities most whites have- because yes, there is that subconscious racism, where buisnesses will be more reluctant to hire blacks than whites- it's just sort of fair. And when you figure it offers them a better chance to get out of a ghetto or slum, where whites don't usually live, it is again sort of fair. So it really depends on your point of view.

[Dizzle229]

actually special ed is needed. however, there have been many successful blacks so they should get no special attention. they dont wanna be treated equal, they wanna be treated better.

[Denismage]

And guess what would happen if they put white instead of black?

 

 

 

They would have a million people pointing fingers at them for being racist, but since it's black people, it's "fine".

[adam_ross0]

It's probably one of those minority scholarships or whatever.

 

 

 

If you're offended by this, sorry...but I think it's because, for almost anything, they can say 'RACISM!'.

 

 

 

And I'm with Denismage, too. If that box said '..but you must be Caucasian/white', I bet there'd be lawsuits, tv specials, big stories, news reports, live coverage, and many fingers pointed for being 'racist'.

[heartless619]

black, and being "black" is a state of mind..

 

Race..being African American...is more correct...

 

so if it asked if your just "black" then put yes if you feel your black.

[darkmage099]

black, and being "black" is a state of mind..

 

Race..being African American...is more correct...

 

so if it asked if your just "black" then put yes if you feel your black.

 

 

 

LOL, African American? My parents are African American. They were born in Africa. Black people are not ALL African American. That is NOT the correct term. Black is a skin color (it's really dark brown but whatever).

 

 

 

 

 

Define the "black" state of mind.

[malo2]

As many have mentioned, it is positive discrimination, affirmative action - whatever you want to call it.

 

 

 

The point of the matter is, it exists to alleviate and balance the starkingly different socio-economical status of 'black people' as a whole as compared to the 'whites'.

 

 

 

For those of you complaining that a black person will get into a school with lower grades than you ... Do you even understand what a scholarship is?

 

 

 

I wager that you don't, and I suggest you learn just exactly how it operates, because until then, I don't think your worthy of discussing an issue with if you make baseless assumptions like that.

yes, i know pretty well how it works, big organizations giving away a crap load of cash to people just because they're black.

[heartless619]

black, and being "black" is a state of mind..

 

Race..being African American...is more correct...

 

so if it asked if your just "black" then put yes if you feel your black.

 

 

 

LOL, African American? My parents are African American. They were born in Africa. Black people are not ALL African American. That is NOT the correct term. Black is a skin color (it's really dark brown but whatever).

 

 

 

 

 

Define the "black" state of mind.

 

 

 

ok i see what your saying above, but state of mind..

 

ugh, expressing my self over a computer is more difficult then in rl..

 

but, noone is white, black, brown, mexican, jewish...we are all flippen people.

 

and judging others just because of who they are and what they were born into is wrong. to say that the black man will get "special treatment" as stated in the first post, is just stupid. these are different times from the civil war era, a black man has just a good enough chance as a "white man" to get a good job, and live the American dream.

[malo2]

It does bother me that there are special scholarships for specific races, but seeing as scholarships are generally private funds, they have every right to do whatever they want with them.

obviously, just like i have all the right in the world to stand on a busy intersection and scream through a microphone that I have everyone that isn't white. But nobody would be happy about that.

[hellbellz]

"American Dream" those words are thrown around a lot these days. :|

 

 

 

Although I would consider everyone just as a person, I don't like to divide people into catagories, blacks do get special treatment. Colleges give grants to blacks so they can make their school equal in ratio of whites to blacks/other races basically. You know why? Because more whites go to college than blacks or other ethnicities. It's just a statistic, which i'm not pulling out of my [wagon].

 

 

 

My biology teacher was talking about how black males in our school have the worst grades in our school, while the black females have the best, this is overall. So it's not all about race, it's also about gender.

[heartless619]

its also about applying your self, to studying and getting stuff done.

[PaperClipsYaaaar]

Define the "black" state of mind.

 

And tell me what does it take to be a G?

 

I started with a quarter ounce and bounced to a key

 

You gotta watch your back stay strapped, be alert

 

Started as a young mutha[bleep]a doin' dirt

 

And now im in the rap game like the crack game

 

I got enemies

 

Can't pretend to see my friends are not my enemies

 

And even thug mutha[bleep]as wanna have fun

[heartless619]

Define the "black" state of mind.

 

And tell me what does it take to be a G?

 

I started with a quarter ounce and bounced to a key

 

You gotta watch your back stay strapped, be alert

 

Started as a young [bleep] doin' dirt

 

And now im in the rap game like the crack game

 

I got enemies

 

Can't pretend to see my friends are not my enemies

 

And even thug [bleep] wanna have fun

 

 

 

more or less, a stereotype.. :?

[stan18]

As many have mentioned, it is positive discrimination, affirmative action - whatever you want to call it.

 

 

 

The point of the matter is, it exists to alleviate and balance the starkingly different socio-economical status of 'black people' as a whole as compared to the 'whites'.

 

 

 

For those of you complaining that a black person will get into a school with lower grades than you ... Do you even understand what a scholarship is?

 

 

 

I wager that you don't, and I suggest you learn just exactly how it operates, because until then, I don't think your worthy of discussing an issue with if you make baseless assumptions like that.

 

 

 

The issue isn't about the scholarships. Everyone has access to scholarships. But why, why on a standardized test that most 10th-11th graders take across the US (maybe not the east coast), why are the scholarships offered there? If theres some jewish-american scholarship, why can't it appear on the PSAT? Why does the african-american scholarship get so much priority over... well... Every other race?

 

 

 

And guess what would happen if they put white instead of black?

 

 

 

They would have a million people pointing fingers at them for being racist, but since it's black people, it's "fine".

 

 

 

But they wouldn't need to, so your hypothetical has no base

[Bubsa]

Let's not forget that black people have been getting 'special treatment' for a few hundred years as well.

[Guest]

Let's not forget that black people have been getting 'special treatment' for a few hundred years as well.

 

 

 

Though lets not forget that it wasn't the "black" youth of today who went through the atrocities that their ancestors went through.

 

 

 

Its like giving special treatment to people who's ancestors died in a War (for example) 100 years back. There's no point in it.

 

 

 

Plus I think its best to make everyone equal and not have anyone in society looked down upon or given special treatment (to once again separate them from mainstream society).

 

 

 

 

 

I hope you get my gist, I'm not trying to be racist, just trying to look for equality between all.

[Abelmisi]

Let's not forget that black people have been getting 'special treatment' for a few hundred years as well.

 

 

 

I hate to argue with your point Bubsa, but the blacks of today are not the ones that were whipped and the whites of today aren't the ones that kept them as slaves. They got nothing to do with it.

[Bubsa]

^ I realise the point you both make, but you have to consider that, one, we can't comprehend how they feel about it and, two, society has to go someway to repair the years of hardship and suffering and strive to occur that such inequality cannot occur again.

 

 

 

Perhaps this is one method in doing so. Because regardless the progress that's been made, an all too large group of people still carry racist and prejudice views.

[Nitramosma]

No evidence-based attempt has been made to prove that living individuals have been adversely affected by a slave system that was ended over 150 years ago. But there is plenty of evidence the hardships that occurred were hardships that individuals could and did overcome. The black middle-class in America is a prosperous community that is now larger in absolute terms than the black underclass. Does its existence not suggest that economic adversity is the result of failures of individual character rather than the lingering after-effects of racial discrimination and a slave system that ceased to exist well over a century ago? West Indian blacks in America are also descended from slaves but their average incomes are equivalent to the average incomes of whites (and nearly 25% higher than the average incomes of American born blacks). How is it that slavery adversely affected one large group of descendants but not the other?

 

 

 

http://www.adversity.net/reparations/an ... ons_ad.htm

[Lemeja]

What a whiner, you should take it as a compliment :roll:

 

 

 

It's because they think most white people could afford college without a scolarship and they KNOW most black people could not. Also if they didn't do stuff like that Al Sharpton and such would come down and have another protest.

 

 

 

(I'm black btw)

[Satenza]

If that was the case it would not be done by race but by salary brackets, like, how much money your parents make. White people, hispanic people, asian people ect can be disadvantaged to. To suggest that this is about how much money one person has is incorrect, it is obviously about race.

[StrOwez]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7052416.stm

 

 

 

OWNED. or in other words SACKED.

[Will H]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7052416.stm

 

 

 

OWNED. or in other words SACKED.

 

 

 

Hey, he was a great man who simply took the path that our overly Politically-Correct society has difficulty comprehending correctly. He was neutral about the subject, and simply stating experimental statistics.

 

 

 

Anyway, back OT:

 

 

 

There should never be any priority for certain ethnic groups. I also asked my parents why there was a need for me to state in a form for a sailing course my ethnicity (which is White), and they simply told me exactly what everyone here is saying. The whole logic is that if we treat the minority highly, it will neutralise the effects of the past. The past was history, and happened to a completely different generation. We should focus on equality, not neutralisation.

 

 

 

By the way, using the term 'Blacks' refers to a too localised ethnic group. There are other ethnic minority groups which obtain this priority as well.

 

 

 

Ethnic based scholarships should be removed. Financial problems do not depend on your skin colour. If you have financial problems, you should be able to apply for financial help.