lock please

[ego_scorpion]

If you had actually been to his site, you'd realize how fallacious your statements are. He did not copy anything; he performed many experiments himself and recorded the data from them. His guides are far more thorough than any guides on a help-site.

 

 

 

Showing off your vast wealth = bragging. You wear the party hats in order to get the "mindless masses" to fawn over you. It's bragging, you're just sugarcoating it.

 

 

 

And yes, it's all just pixels... But the difference between writing guides about how to kill monsters for their pixel drops is that the pixel drops are actually USEFUL. They have a USE in the game, other than showing off. Party hats are USELESS except for bragging and asking for someone to attempt to brute-force your password.

 

Well, how should I put it, I dont need a guide to tell me how to play the game, you know, im one of those people that learned on his own...

 

 

 

I dont wear a party hat in game, they just sit in my back, obviously in your futile attempt of fihgting ignorance with more ignorance you didnt read the part where I used it as an example to make the point.

 

 

 

Ahh, why borther, not like you people read anyways, you are obviously here to judge because you are righteous and mighty.

 

 

 

Pass down your judgement good lord, smite those unworth merchants! You are so important to runescape.

 

 

 

ps. qeltar I hope you dont advertise that site in game, someone can report you and youll be banned, ive seen it happen lol.

 

 

 

edit:

 

I just noticed another oxymoron, you have a party hat in your avatar, ROFL, wow, just wow.... stupidity truely has no boundaries.

[qeltar]

 

I have been gone 3 years, since before slayer came out, you know, the whole 3 years youve been grinding skills, i have been doing something else :)

 

 

I haven't been playing for 3 years.

 

 

 

And guess what.. that same 3 year gap is how you made most of your money (assuming you got the Burger King hats legitimately.) They were worth a LOT more when you got back than they were when you left. Cuts both ways.

 

 

good thing internet doesnt have 100's of sites like that to copy from :( fail again

 

 

Well, then why don't you go find some sites that have guides as detailed as mine or that describe, for example, how to get 45k Ranged XP per hour AND make money by cannoning ice trolls? Don't hold your breath.

 

 

 

Oh, and if you can try to accuse me of having cheated on my site, guess what.. people can just as easily accuse you of having cheated to get your silly hats.

 

 

I couldnt care less, im just pointing out the obvious.

 

 

:lol:

 

 

 

Actually, you've shown quite clearly that you care about people fawning over you a LOT.

 

 

 

The question is: why?

 

 

You call it bragging, I call it showing off my vast wealth

 

 

:lol:

 

 

 

That's what bragging MEANS.

 

 

 

This is becoming truly funny.

 

 

Actualy, yet again your low IQ didnt allow you to see the point.

 

 

The real point is that you obsess over RS gold because you feel insecure and need others to recognize your "wealth" and make you feel important. I hope some day you can get past this, and realize how misguided your approach has been.

 

 

 

You can have the last word as I am not devoting any more time to this silliness.

[ego_scorpion]

 

I have been gone 3 years, since before slayer came out, you know, the whole 3 years youve been grinding skills, i have been doing something else :)

 

 

I haven't been playing for 3 years.

 

 

 

And guess what.. that same 3 year gap is how you made most of your money (assuming you got the Burger King hats legitimately.) They were worth a LOT more when you got back than they were when you left. Cuts both ways.

 

 

good thing internet doesnt have 100's of sites like that to copy from :( fail again

 

 

Well, then why don't you go find some sites that have guides as detailed as mine or that describe, for example, how to get 45k Ranged XP per hour AND make money by cannoning ice trolls? Don't hold your breath.

 

 

 

Oh, and if you can try to accuse me of having cheated on your site, guess what.. people can just as easily accuse you of having cheated to get your silly hats.

 

 

I couldnt care less, im just pointing out the obvious.

 

 

:lol:

 

 

 

Actually, you've shown quite clearly that you care about people fawning over you a LOT.

 

 

 

The question is: why?

 

 

You call it bragging, I call it showing off my vast wealth

 

 

:lol:

 

 

 

That's what bragging MEANS.

 

 

 

This is becoming truly funny.

 

 

Actualy, yet again your low IQ didnt allow you to see the point.

 

 

The real point is that you obsess over RS gold because you feel insecure and need others to recognize your "wealth" and make you feel important. I hope some day you can get past this, and realize how misguided your approach has been.

 

 

 

You can have the last word as I am not devoting any more time to this silliness.

 

 

 

whats with selective responding and avoiding the direct points? I mean, if you gonna respond, respond to everything and not with some cookie-cutter watered down repetative nonsense :(

 

 

 

Its amaizing how while accusing me you keep advertising something else the whole time, be it your skills or your site. So why do you have a site and advertise it? in hopes of some form of recognition from someone...?

 

 

 

Ill tell you a little secret... if i detect in the slightest that someone in game is a friend of mine because of financial reasons I cut them lose. I show off $ because I earned it and thus earned the right to show it off... just like you advertise your useless site... because you wrote it and now you want others to see...

 

 

 

Do you honestly think that you calling me a bragger will in any way affect the reality of my playing experience?

 

 

 

And please, if you gonna respond, respond to everything not selectively... that is ofcourse.. if you know what ot say after being cornered in your own bliss of ignorance.

 

 

 

edit:

 

respond to this!

 

 

You keep using pixel $, we are playing a pixel game, yet you keep saying pixel this pixel that as if you are somehow above those pixels. Here, you are writing guides on how to kill pixel monsters and at the same time mocking the pixel items they drop... whats the word for that... oxymoron i think.

 

 

 

 

 

Yet again, you bring up real life. I am yet to mention anything about real life, and you keep bringing it up as if it somehow makes your point more legitimate.

 

 

 

You mock my advertising of my riches, then you make a point to advertise that your stats are better than mine. You advertise your site at the same time. So let me get this straight, its ok to advertise copy-paste sites and stats, just not $?

 

[Dharockslayer]

 

Actualy, yet again your low IQ didnt allow you to see the point. The point here is party hat > skill cape. Anyone given enough time can achieve a skil cape, but only select few can achieve a party hat was my point, sorry if it was too complicated for someone of your vast intelligence.

 

 

 

Actually, Yet again your ignorance doesnt allow you to learn from your mistakes. If 5-6 people are attacking you, thats a hint of you doing something wrong.

 

 

 

"Only a select few can get a party hat, so I am better then people who achieve skillcapes'', thats a rough translation to you.

 

 

 

I suggest you take critism, take your time to learn from your posts. Like most of the people around here. We are not your enemy's, we are not the dark side, we don't care about your feelings, your items, your intelligence or your real life. Just about your replies, so I suggest you stop trying to defend yourself and just take it like a man, instead of b*ing about like a child.

 

 

 

I applaud to you if you read past the ignorance part. Since you would already be offended by that.

[ego_scorpion]

 

Actualy, yet again your low IQ didnt allow you to see the point. The point here is party hat > skill cape. Anyone given enough time can achieve a skil cape, but only select few can achieve a party hat was my point, sorry if it was too complicated for someone of your vast intelligence.

 

 

 

Actually, Yet again your ignorance doesnt allow you to learn from your mistakes. If 5-6 people are attacking you, thats a hint of you doing something wrong.

 

 

 

"Only a select few can get a party hat, so I am better then people who achieve skillcapes'', thats a rough translation to you.

 

 

 

I suggest you take critism, take your time to learn from your posts. Like most of the people around here. We are not your enemy's, we are not the dark side, we don't care about your feelings, your items, your intelligence or your real life. Just about your replies, so I suggest you stop trying to defend yourself and just take it like a man, instead of b*ing about like a child.

 

 

 

I applaud to you if you read past the ignorance part. Since you would already be offended by that.

 

 

 

Once again even if its 1000000000000 vs 1 ill still argue my point. I dont give into hypocritical nonsense driven by personal attacks.

 

 

 

Take a party hat out of your avatar before you attempt to argue your point, might give it more validity.

 

 

 

Better yet, try reading through the whole thread before jumping in, that might also give you validity.

 

 

 

Lastly my feelings are as hurt as my caring about your critisism. Sad reality of this thread and this game is that despite what you may think and how right may think you are I still come out ahead.... ultimately... you are just not important im sorry :(

[Dharockslayer]

There is no party hat in my avatar, thats an inca temple :roll: .

 

 

 

Fine you may argue your point. But what you are doing is not defending your point, its ignoring the point and just trying to 'defend' yourself from critism.

 

 

 

And you may try to read through, lets say, maybe, the last 3 pages of this topic and the 5 pages of your other one. There has been nothing but off-topicness because people keep putting up non-sence. And its not just the unimportant non-burger king hat wearing people that do that, you do too. Duke freedom argued against your point, your reply? You are out of the game for over a year so your opinion is invalid.

 

 

 

And why am I unimportant? Because Im not worth your time? If you really cared about that then you shouldve been trading instead of making posts trying to defend yourself.

 

 

 

I am trying to steer this topic into on-topic ness, to make you learn from your mistakes. But you blatantly throw that away.

 

 

 

Have fun in your topic. Since you wont budge in anyway and think you are ultimately right I see no point in discussion on this thread anymore.

 

Since all the replies I get from you will be "I am better then you so stop trying to make yourself look important".

 

 

 

Idiots rule the world! *leaves*

[Dragonlordjl]

 

Actualy, yet again your low IQ didnt allow you to see the point. The point here is party hat > skill cape. Anyone given enough time can achieve a skil cape, but only select few can achieve a party hat was my point, sorry if it was too complicated for someone of your vast intelligence.

 

 

 

Actually, Yet again your ignorance doesnt allow you to learn from your mistakes. If 5-6 people are attacking you, thats a hint of you doing something wrong.

 

 

 

"Only a select few can get a party hat, so I am better then people who achieve skillcapes'', thats a rough translation to you.

 

 

 

I suggest you take critism, take your time to learn from your posts. Like most of the people around here. We are not your enemy's, we are not the dark side, we don't care about your feelings, your items, your intelligence or your real life. Just about your replies, so I suggest you stop trying to defend yourself and just take it like a man, instead of b*ing about like a child.

 

 

 

I applaud to you if you read past the ignorance part. Since you would already be offended by that.

 

I dont give into hypocritical nonsense driven by personal attacks.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Instead, you use the same reply over and over and over, despite being shot down every single time. That is a tactic known as argumentum ad nauseum, and it is as bad if not worse than argumentum ad hominem, or the practice of using personal attacks as the basis for your argument.

[Arjuna]

I think this is going to be beneficial. Scam-like deals would be eliminated, good deals will still be prospering, and it willbe so much easier to sell or buy, like in 22 auctions

[ego_scorpion]

 

I am trying to steer this topic into on-topic ness, to make you learn from your mistakes. But you blatantly throw that away.

 

 

Oh so you are like... a teacher... dont recall needing one...

 

 

 

Point is this whole thing is fueled by merchant hatred. Those who hate and show jealousy will not reason to reason, so im giving them something to hate even more.

 

 

 

If I needed your teachings or thought I had made a mistake that might be different... but I dont need to be taught.

 

 

 

And I dont wnat to get into it, but Duke is the person I respect least due to his hipocracy so he wont get a civil response out of me.

[Dragonlordjl]

 

I am trying to steer this topic into on-topic ness, to make you learn from your mistakes. But you blatantly throw that away.

 

 

Oh so you are like... a teacher... dont recall needing one...

 

 

 

Point is this whole thing is fueled by merchant hatred. Those who hate and show jealousy will not reason to reason, so im giving them something to hate even more.

 

 

 

If I needed your teachings or thought I had made a mistake that might be different... but I dont need to be taught.

 

 

 

And I dont wnat to get into it, but Duke is the person I respect least due to his hipocracy so he wont get a civil response out of me.

 

 

 

GET. IT. THROUGH. YOUR. SKULL. THAT. WE. ARE. NOT. JEALOUS.

 

 

 

Are you that self-absorbed that you think that anyone who argues against the importance of a party hat is just jealous because they lack one of their own? Jesus [bleep]ing Christ, you are bordering on narcissism.

[Ceblue]

Oooph, I'm slow.

 

 

 

Thank you for your response as well Ego - it clarified a few misconceptions I had formed about you, and I value your input.

 

 

 

It is true that the nature of the internet makes it virtually impossible to accurately judge someone's character and motive, so I normally try and refrain from speculating. However, it seems like this argument is not going to end without a clearer understanding of where both sides are coming from.

 

 

 

Qeltar is driven by hatred towards merchants it seems, or at least strong dislike. But, where does one get such feelings from?

 

 

 

I was a little surprised at the vehemence of Qeltar's arguments, but that often is a product of discussions that degenerate into personal attacks. You mentioned fighting fire with fire, but that rarely seems to ever put the fire out. Your natural guess may be jealousy, because that may be what you would feel if your positions were reversed, with Qeltar as the master merchant, and you as the "unknown". However, other people may not have the same motives and natural tendencies as you, and it would be incorrect to assume that they do.

 

 

 

Based on what he has written in his runescape fansite, Qeltar seems very concerned with the greed, ruthlessness, and general inconsideration many people have in this game. Lurring and scamming are examples of this, but merchanters who manipulate prices and boast of their gains could be considered products of this attitude as well. Now, you may not be operating out of that attitude, but associating yourself with this merchanting community and exhibiting some of its less admirable traits may be what has brought on Qeltar's responses.

 

 

 

 

 

Another way I see it is a way for him to look important and justify his existence. I mean considering the fact that nobody ever heard of qeltar, if he starts a fight with somebody who quite a few people know he might somehow get noticed, maybe get some support as well eh?

 

 

 

I highly doubt it. I can see how people enjoy fame, how one could thrive on the attention one receives from a successful career of wheeling and dealing, but be aware that there are people like myself who would rather not live in the limelight. Personally, I would rather be respected for my conduct and character, rather then what I possess. Wealth is useful for some things, but the attention that it brings is attention that I would rather do without. Likewise, I doubt Qeltar cares if he is well known, and if he wanted to be, he would want it to be on the basis of his experience and knowledge, not through wealth or self-promotion. In summary, please consider other possibilities - it's too easy to respond reflexively and form the wrong opinion.

 

 

 

Ugh, I don't like speaking for others, my apologies if I've made some egregious errors and plunged this thread further down the flame path. Hope this post provides some food for thought.

[ego_scorpion]

Dear Ceblue, thank you for your response.

 

 

 

Please, consider the following, how the whole thing began.

 

 

 

qeltar wrote:

 

This update is going to eliminate a lot of the arbitrage opportunities formerly used by merchants. Arbitrage meaning buying in one market and selling in another.

 

 

 

It will also get rid of people who make money by preying on those who don't know what items sell for, or who take advantage of others. That's a Good Thing.

 

 

 

I responded:

 

Good thing for who? maybe if you dont know prices thats a good thing for you, I know them and I use my knowledge and effort to make $, its not a good thing for me.

 

 

 

 

 

He wrote:

 

I believe there's a clear distinction between merchants who get paid to provide a service, and those who merely take advantage of others, or the inability of the current system to let buyers and sellers find each other.

 

 

 

The former are reasonable, because they effectively trade their time for money. The latter are simply vultures, and if a new update puts them out of business, it's good for the vast majority of players and for the game as a whole.

 

 

 

I consder his last response a direct attack on me alas the second he posted that I lost any respect for him as an intelectual contributing to the overal debate and saw him as another jealous nuisance.

 

 

 

My logic may be wrong, may not be. At the end of the day though qeltar being there or not doesnt change anything. Just like me being there or not doesnt change anything.

 

 

 

He aruges the point that $ is irrelevant strongly, so I ask him, give me all of yours if it doesnt matter :)

 

 

 

Lastly, being in my position, be it being a mercahnt and coming in contact with people all day long, or be it being a wealthy player and dealing with stupidity, I have come to realise that most people can be divided into categories.

 

 

 

Based off of everything that he said from my personal experience qeltar fits the jealousy stereotype perfectly, especialy when he said "i know people who coulda had billionz blah blah blah", that is by far one of the most common statements made by that stereotype.

 

 

 

Ultimately, my goal here isnt to put the fire out. Ill quote a phrase, but sadly I dont remember where its from...

 

 

 

 

We are not here to co-exist, I am here to win

 

 

 

 

So yes, im fihgting ingnorance with ignorance in hopes of getting him so angry that he drops the subject and lets his aggression out elsewhere :)

[Defender2516]

Ha.. thats funny.. something you can brag and tell your friends about in your real life "achievement" diary.

 

 

 

I won the "will the grand exchange ruin merchanting" topic back in 2007.

 

 

 

Uber..

[ego_scorpion]

Ha.. thats funny.. something you can brag and tell your friends about in your real life "achievement" diary.

 

 

 

I won the "will the grand exchange ruin merchanting" topic back in 2007.

 

 

 

Uber..

 

 

 

Aint it, now you can stop posting then.

[Ceblue]

Ultimately, my goal here isnt to put the fire out. Ill quote a phrase, but sadly I dont remember where its from...

 

 

 

 

 

We are not here to co-exist, I am here to win

 

 

 

 

 

So yes, im fihgting ingnorance with ignorance in hopes of getting him so angry that he drops the subject and lets his aggression out elsewhere

 

 

 

Well... there goes all hope of a rational discussion then. :( I guess if you're determined to pursue this goal, there's nothing stopping you. However, being unwilling to consider other arguments, freezing your opinion, and stating that you must win at all costs are not traits of a wise individual...

 

 

 

He wrote:

 

I believe there's a clear distinction between merchants who get paid to provide a service, and those who merely take advantage of others, or the inability of the current system to let buyers and sellers find each other.

 

 

 

The former are reasonable, because they effectively trade their time for money. The latter are simply vultures, and if a new update puts them out of business, it's good for the vast majority of players and for the game as a whole.

 

 

 

I consder his last response a direct attack on me alas the second he posted that I lost any respect for him as an intelectual contributing to the overal debate and saw him as another jealous nuisance.

 

 

 

If you must know, I didn't consider his last response to be a direct attack on you, more on that form of merchanting and the exploitation that results from it in general. It is easy to take things personally, I'll admit, but to preserve one's rationality, it's usually best not too. Furthermore, while your game experience may have led you to make the assumption that he was just "another jealous nuisance", be aware that it is still an assumption, and assumptions can be wrong...

[qeltar]

Ceblue, I'm done with this thread but did want to take a moment to tip my hat to you for some of the most thoughtful posts I've seen around here in some time. =D>

[Folgrim]

I very, very highly doubt that it will ruin merchanting; for one thing, no more mad rush to get into W2 :thumbsup:

 

 

 

Another thing: Jagex said that it will span across ALL servers AND worlds, meaning if your standing around in one area saying "Buying " for five hours straight and no one sells, you can go to the grand exchange and there'll be a 1:1.2 chance someone will have it for sale :

 

 

 

But don't pay any attention to me; I come in #1, by default, in the Worst Merchanters High scores. :-$

[ego_scorpion]

Ha.. thats funny.. something you can brag and tell your friends about in your real life "achievement" diary.

 

 

 

I won the "will the grand exchange ruin merchanting" topic back in 2007.

 

 

 

Uber..

 

 

 

Alas my good chump (in his best bender impression) that is what I meant, my only hope is qeltar got to see my real response to him prior to its untimely delition :(

 

 

 

Like I said, I will fight blind hatred and ignorance to the end.

[holiday]

Selling attention

[Looce]

Hey there holiday. You may have gotten here from a spam board, but this isn't one.

 

 

 

ego_scorpion: For one, we don't even know how the Grand Exchange will work, it has not been released yet. For two, your attitude has put me off from posting my opinion in here.

 

 

 

And, for three, this "untimely deletion" of one of your posts should make you realise it was flame bait, and that you should start discussing in this thread, not trying to win. This is RuneScape you're trying to win an argument for, after all, and Jagex can change the game mechanics as they please.

 

 

 

If you really want to win, you should play a linear console game like Final Fantasy. You can win those. RuneScape is a never-ending game; you cannot win it.

[holiday]

Hey there holiday. You may have gotten here from a spam board, but this isn't one.

 

 

 

ego_scorpion: For one, we don't even know how the Grand Exchange will work, it has not been released yet. For two, your attitude has put me off from posting my opinion in here.

 

 

 

And, for three, this "untimely deletion" of one of your posts should make you realise it was flame bait, and that you should start discussing in this thread, not trying to win. This is RuneScape you're trying to win an argument for, after all, and Jagex can change the game mechanics as they please.

 

 

 

You know how I roll, yo.

[ego_scorpion]

Looce... ill answer you simply.. winning an mmo is a matter of perspective. You set a goal and you set out to accomplish it.

 

 

 

As for my attitude, it was delibarate and towards qeltars blind hatred for merchanting and provoked by his insult towards me.

 

 

 

But thanks for passing judgement.

[Looce]

As for my attitude, it was delibarate and towards qeltars blind hatred for merchanting and provoked by his insult towards me.

 

And how do I know that this attitude won't be projected onto me if I say my opinion? Seeing you attack Qeltar like this for calling out your strategy concerning arbitrage makes me unsure:

 

I responded:

 

Good thing for who? maybe if you dont know prices thats a good thing for you, I know them and I use my knowledge and effort to make $, its not a good thing for me.

 

 

 

He wrote:

 

I believe there's a clear distinction between merchants who get paid to provide a service, and those who merely take advantage of others, or the inability of the current system to let buyers and sellers find each other.

 

Hmm. You know your prices, so you use your knowledge to make GP. How can you "use" that knowledge other than at the expense of the fellow who doesn't know his/her prices? That would make you what you yourself hate, ego_scorpion, someone who takes advantage of others.

 

 

 

I don't follow you at all.

[ego_scorpion]

This world , real and game, revolves around people taking advantage of each other. To some extent, EVERYONE is making a profit off of somebody. Only question is through which means and to what extent.

 

 

 

Why didnt you post rest of the quote where he goes on to call me a vulture where I was simply expressing my just concern over the implementation of GE.

 

 

 

I hope the way I responded to you does not project my bad attitude on you, if so, please forgive me for that was not my intentnion :ohnoes:

[Luckeedog101]

 

Qeltar is driven by hatred towards merchants it seems

 

 

 

This was a few pages back, so some of you might not remember.

 

 

 

Well I can't speak for someone else (like you tend to do for all merchanters), but it seems that Qeltar doesn't hate merchanters, I think he dislikes pompus egomaniacs like yourself; look at your name: (Ego Scorpion!)

 

 

 

Your arguements should be able to be solved by these statements...however I have a feeling your immaturity will make you add a few more posts to help confirm Qeltar's (as well as mine and probably most of the RuneScape community) statements:

 

 

 

We all have a right to play the game how we want; so don't down talk or judge someone for what they interpret as fun!

 

 

 

If you want to be the middle-man for hundreds of trades; be my guest, just don't think yourself better than the rest of us for not following your example!

 

 

 

And finally...back to what this thread is supposed to be about...

 

 

 

Merchanting will NOT go away, it will just change a bit.

 

 

 

 

 

Snakes and cockroaches have been around since the dinosaurs, and they haven't gone away yet :thumbsup: