lock please

[x1992x]

i kinda hope it ruin it... :-w

 

 

 

 

 

on another note:

 

i wonder in the near future if jagex puts in some rares(crackers phats) when they become to exspensive :-k

[Italian5kamikaze]

i kinda hope it ruin it... :-w

 

 

 

 

 

on another note:

 

i wonder in the near future if jagex puts in some rares(crackers phats) when they become to exspensive :-k

 

 

 

Nope, rares will just keep rising unless some of the people who own a majority of them do something to make their price fall, but since they have no reason to ever do that they will just keep rising.

[dead_socks]

It saves me the time of going to World 2 or the forums, even so, I'm going to sell anything I own worth 500k+ until prices are stable again.

 

There's still a possibility some players just "won't get" the exchange and will continue to buy and sell goods the old way, especially if they're about to do a quest or PK and need the items right away.

[ego_scorpion]

Ok, in my opinion, this will make merchanting a lot easier. And if it does mess up merchanting, I really don't care. Sorry, but thats my opinion, I have the right to my own, and everyone else has the right to theirs. I personally hate merchanting. There really isn't much of a point to it, and from my experiences, it's not fun at all. Newsflash: runescape is suppose to be fun. I don't really care if you're doin' alittle merchanting to buy that full set of dragon, but those people who do nothing but merchant? I don't know how they can have fun doing that! Apparently, a lot of people blame the ruining of the economy on merchanters too (not me) so I can't see why this Grand Exchange would be bad in any way at all, but it will probably be loaded with stuff, I hope Jagex has figured out a system of organization for this (search for the item maybe?), and it won't just be set up in a general store style.

 

 

 

 

Ok, let me clarify this for you so that you can see it from different point of view.

 

 

 

I was one of the people who merchanted a lot, infact, it was the only thing I did. Now you may say "but thats so boring" - is it realy? It depends on your play style. For me, making 10 million in a matter of hours isnt boring, its fun. I love merchanting, its just so essential to being successful.

 

 

 

Before you disagree, I will give you a good example.

 

 

 

Making a lot of $ and then using it for skills will get you further than working hard on skills to get $.

[ego_scorpion]

[/b]

Most of the comments here completely miss the mark. There are MANY types of merchanting. Some are perfectly honest and extremely valuable to the game. Others are not. You simply cannot generalize.

 

 

 

To those who denigrate merchanting: it arguably requires far more talent and dedication than leveling skills or PKing.

 

 

 

To the merchants who wonder why they are disliked: you guys are middlemen. People don't like middlemen, and try to cut them out whenever possible. That's part of what this update is about.

 

 

 

And having 10 billion in gold only matters to people who obsess over wealth. To me, going on about having four Burger King hat sets is about as meaningful as bragging that you have a solid gold toilet.

 

 

 

How this pans out depends entirely on how it is implemented, but I am inclined to believe that it will eliminate some of the less desirable forms of merchanting.

 

 

 

~q

 

 

 

LoL - those are some big words and you are entitled to your opinion. However, try to actualy get 1 burger king hat before you start downtalking to see how easy or hard it is to obtain and then you can make all the comments you want. You can call it obessing with wealth or you can call it achievement. I mean bottom line is, this game is all about $, everything translates into $ and $ in turn translates into what you wear.

 

 

 

Put on full rune, and lvl 120 wont respond to you, put on full 3rd age with blue phat and lvl 120's will beg from you. Sad reality of this game is that people only respect wealth

[ego_scorpion]

You are taking this whole thing too personally, any player could dedicate themselves to getting a phat by merchanting/skilling/pking/dueling in a year or two, faster depending on the method/time dedicated/internet connection(a slick internet connection that very rarely crashes is a massive advantage for EVERYTHING in Runescape).

 

 

 

Edit: Actually thats false, because their are only a finite amount of Phats left, but any player could make the money required to buy a phat(at current prices) in a year or so if that was their only goal and they were dedicated, its not like your doing anything incredibly difficult, just something thats not desirable (the reason bin collectors are payed ~ 50k a year in my country, its not because its hard its because few people are willing to do it, same goes for tube/train drivers).

 

 

 

This statement is false, the inflation rate on the party hat prices is 200x the price annual growth. So in the year it takes you to obtain the $ necessary to purchase 1 the price will have gone up 200x.

[ego_scorpion]

 

when you can earn 1 burger king hat then you have a right to comment on them, but down talking something you will never have in a million years, despite wanting it or not is rather childish.

 

 

 

Since I'm not a braggart like yourself, I never talk about what I own or what I could buy. And I refuse to answer when people ask me.

 

 

 

Therefore, you have absolutely no way of knowing what I could or could not afford to buy. Right?

 

 

 

It fits well in the pattern of the greed-obsessed merchant, however, that you immediately attempt to place yourself as being somehow superior because you assume I couldn't afford to buy a silly hat. It is this exact attitude that causes overzealous merchants and other insecure ego-driven twits to be despised.

 

 

 

~q

 

 

 

Now that requires a talent, using a lot of big words in one sentance yet the overall meaning is some eluding insult. Actauly, your type is one of the most common, however, in your case only difference being the ability to use some of the less commonly used wordds to create a rather pathetic attempt at an insult.

 

 

 

Im calling your bluff, lets see some proof behind your claims of me not knowing?

[Dharockslayer]

Ego, Qeltar is entitled to his own opinion. He doesnt say he finds it easy to obtain 4 party hat sets. He says he finds it meaningless.

 

Ofcourse it is an achievement to have lots of cash, but spending it on a useless hat just for bragging rights and maybe some extra cash over time is just odd.

 

 

 

Yes, the game does in most ways end up in yourself gaining money. But it doesnt mean the game is all about cold hard cash. Its about fun. If you find it fun to earn cash by standing in pretty much the same spot buying and selling stuff, be my guest. But most of us don't.

 

 

 

Personally, I rather look up to a person who set up a cult and picked millions of cabbage and generally having fun. Then to a merchanter who has spend lots of time on the forums or falador getting cash just for the sake of bragging.

 

 

 

And people respect additude often more then cash or skills. Its the strangers who look up to those last two.

 

 

 

Oh and one last thing, why do you need that lvl 120's attention?

[ego_scorpion]

Ego, Qeltar is entitled to his own opinion. He doesnt say he finds it easy to obtain 4 party hat sets. He says he finds it meaningless.

 

Ofcourse it is an achievement to have lots of cash, but spending it on a useless hat just for bragging rights and maybe some extra cash over time is just odd.

 

 

 

Yes, the game does in most ways end up in yourself gaining money. But it doesnt mean the game is all about cold hard cash. Its about fun. If you find it fun to earn cash by standing in pretty much the same spot buying and selling stuff, be my guest. But most of us don't.

 

 

 

Personally, I rather look up to a person who set up a cult and picked millions of cabbage and generally having fun. Then to a merchanter who has spend lots of time on the forums or falador getting cash just for the sake of bragging.

 

 

 

And people respect additude often more then cash or skills. Its the strangers who look up to those last two.

 

 

 

Oh and one last thing, why do you need that lvl 120's attention?

 

 

 

Ill answer this in parts

 

 

 

#1. You make an assumpetion about how I make my $. You make an assumption that I stand in 1 spot and scan forums. Neither of this is true. When I play I spend my time skilling.

 

 

 

I am no longer at the level where I look for deals, deals come to me while I focus on skills.

 

 

 

#2. Different people consider different things as fun. What may be fun for one person (runecrafting) is so boring to me, that I rather have my skin peeled. You cant generalize fun

 

 

 

#3. Who said that I need that level 120's attentnion? Trust me, I dont, its just funny how quickly people change their attitudes when they find out somebody is very rich, but I think that has to do with the fact that the average age of the runescape player is rather low.

 

 

 

#4. Lastly, once again I want to point out at all the people foaming at the mouth and downtalking merchants. He was calling them burgerking hats and thats perfectly fine to insult what you will never have. But think of it this way, some people play to have 99 in a skill, others to have all the cabage in the world, well, I play to have everything at 99 and do so without any hard work.

 

 

 

Ill give you an example, I got to 75 farming very quickly and having spent next to no cash on all my seeds.

[deep_pain]

probably to a certain extent, people will always merchant with or without this place. People will always sell stuff cheap for fast cash and merchants will always be there waiting for those sales, whether it's sitting watching the list in some kind of trade centre or sitting in a bank watching for people selling cheap stuff etc...

 

 

 

but TBH i don't care, to me the least important part of this game is having lots of money.. what does having lots of money prove? that merchants are great masters of economy & retail? or that they spend all their time standing around buying and selling stuff, an the rest showing off the pretty hat they bought from it.

 

 

 

well you can keep your pretty hat, and you wil still be able to make money when the update comes out. dont worry. but I hope you are impressed that you made the money, because I and most people arn't bothered about your pretty hat, well it excites the new players I guess.

 

 

 

You will still be able to make money and good luck to you, if you enjoy doing it, and think there is a reason to do it, there will always be opportunities to do it, and as much as I don't understand it, the runescape economy would be in tatters without you guys, so hats off to you. (if i had one) :P

[Dharockslayer]

=/ Sorry for making you feel offended.

 

 

 

I just thought that since you were basically defending merchanters, that you were one too.

 

 

 

I wasnt generallizing fun. I was just saying that most people dont like to merchant.

 

 

 

I was not downgrading merchanters, I just said that I would prefer doing skills or atleast something with is more action packed then to buy or sell.

[ego_scorpion]

=/ Sorry for making you feel offended.

 

 

 

I just thought that since you were basically defending merchanters, that you were one too.

 

 

 

I wasnt generallizing fun. I was just saying that most people dont like to merchant.

 

 

 

I was not downgrading merchanters, I just said that I would prefer doing skills or atleast something with is more action packed then to buy or sell.

 

 

 

 

 

There are different ways to merchant and there are different kinds of merchants.

 

 

 

There is select few who are at the very top. Those select few deal with many lower level merchants who in turn deal with everybody else. Its like a pyramid.

 

 

 

Those at the top dont come in direct contact wiht buyers and sellers and thuys have no need to spend hours in w2 or on forums.

 

 

 

I am for example always on world 103 and alergic to world 2 :)

 

 

 

I dont care about this merchant hating, people always fear and hate what they dont understand and can never do :)

 

 

 

I just want to point out again that skilling or skilling with $ is night and day difference.

[Dharockslayer]

 

I dont care about this merchant hating, people always fear and hate what they dont understand and can never do :)

 

 

Excuse me?!

 

 

 

People always fear and hate what they cant understand or do? Thats the biggest load of * that Ive heard.

 

What I understand of it is that you find Merchanters better then the normal people because they understand how to buy and sell?

 

To me it looks like you are trying to praise them above the people who dislike them. Wich is wrong.

 

 

 

Maybe it was wrong for Qeltar to name party hats "Burgerking hats". But if he wanted to get one he could just sell most of his stuff. Therefor he is able to get one. Rendering your comment about that pretty much useless. He just preffers having usefull expensive stuff over useless expensive stuff.

 

 

 

Yes, some of the merchanting involves skill. But that was in the old days where one was able to buy all the half wines and crack up the price loads. Now it just involves selling an item for high and buying for low or waiting for an item to rise. That involves next to no skill. And I hope you agree with that.

[ego_scorpion]

I invite you to go to blogscape and find the post about my bank and look at all the "useless" stuff I have in there.

 

 

 

Im not saying sell everything to buy rares, you seem to misundersatnd my point, so im going to stop trying to explain. Best of luck with whatever you do.

[Solidus_77]

Personally, I rather look up to a person who set up a cult and picked millions of cabbage and generally having fun. Then to a merchanter who has spend lots of time on the forums or falador getting cash just for the sake of bragging.

 

 

 

The "bragging rights" that merchants seek are the same that EVERYONE seeks. Merchants are not the only ones doing stuff for the sake of bragging, the guy who collects cabbages wants attention and the skiller wants the whole world to see his skillcape.

[De_Lille_D]

...skills are to make money not typing sad to say...i know alot of people merchant and its a "Skill" to them but whatever get over it :|

 

 

 

Exactly, not to belittle good merchants, but there isn't really such a thing as "skill" in merchanting.

 

 

 

Merchanting is all about buying items for cheap and finding someone dumb enough to pay substantially more for it. It's the oldest practice of business since the history of civilization.

 

 

 

The only 'skill' you need is accumulating the starting capital to begin merchanting with a few expensive items.

 

 

 

I couldn't agree more! :thumbsup:

 

 

 

 

 

...

 

 

 

No really, it's physically impossible!!!! :XD:

[qeltar]

I made the post to which you are replying 15 pages and 11 days ago. Is there any constructive purpose to dredging this silly, off-topic issue back up again -- even as you complain elsewhere about this thread having "turned into a flamewar"? :wall:

 

 

 

 

when you can earn 1 burger king hat then you have a right to comment on them, but down talking something you will never have in a million years, despite wanting it or not is rather childish.

 

 

 

Since I'm not a braggart like yourself, I never talk about what I own or what I could buy. And I refuse to answer when people ask me.

 

 

 

Therefore, you have absolutely no way of knowing what I could or could not afford to buy. Right?

 

 

 

It fits well in the pattern of the greed-obsessed merchant, however, that you immediately attempt to place yourself as being somehow superior because you assume I couldn't afford to buy a silly hat. It is this exact attitude that causes overzealous merchants and other insecure ego-driven twits to be despised.

 

 

 

~q

 

 

 

Now that requires a talent, using a lot of big words in one sentance yet the overall meaning is some eluding insult. Actauly, your type is one of the most common, however, in your case only difference being the ability to use some of the less commonly used wordds to create a rather pathetic attempt at an insult.

 

 

 

Im calling your bluff, lets see some proof behind your claims of me not knowing?

 

 

 

Okay, fine. You are saying I don't have enough money to own a Burger King hat. Tell me how you know this, since you've never met me in game or seen my bank and I do not discuss what I own on the forums?

 

 

 

Geez.

[ego_scorpion]

Simple, ive been playing long enough, merchanting long enough, and interactive with people in games long enough to know when somebody is lying.

 

 

 

I call your bluff, prove me wrong.

 

 

 

ps. I just forgot about this thread until some people whispered me in game to discuss it few days ago and as I was reading through I thoguht your infinite ignorance.

[Uninstall]

well fally bank world 2 will be kinda empty i think XD

[qeltar]

Simple, ive been playing long enough, merchanting long enough, and interactive with people in games long enough to know when somebody is lying.

 

 

Uh huh. Of course you have. :roll:

 

 

I call your bluff, prove me wrong.

 

 

Showing off and comparing wealth is the sort of things people like you like to do, not me. So think what you want. It doesn't matter to me whether you think I am rich or poor, to be honest -- certainly not enough to be bothered meeting someone like you in the game in person.

 

 

 

If you want to know why people hate merchants, look in a mirror. Because you are exactly the sort of merchant that gives all merchants a bad name -- even the ones that don't deserve it. It's about your attitude, not jealousy, and not your Burger King hats.

 

 

 

~q

[ego_scorpion]

Simple, ive been playing long enough, merchanting long enough, and interactive with people in games long enough to know when somebody is lying.

 

 

Uh huh. Of course you have. :roll:

 

 

I call your bluff, prove me wrong.

 

 

Showing off and comparing wealth is the sort of things people like you like to do, not me. So think what you want. It doesn't matter to me whether you think I am rich or poor, to be honest -- certainly not enough to be bothered meeting someone like you in the game in person.

 

 

 

If you want to know why people hate merchants, look in a mirror. Because you are exactly the sort of merchant that gives all merchants a bad name -- even the ones that don't deserve it. It's about your attitude, not jealousy, and not your Burger King hats.

 

 

 

~q

 

 

 

There goes more insults as opposed to solid proof. I guess its easier to make an excuse than to proove your point. Keep it up. Oh and just so you know im actualy very nice person who treats people with respect, thats why those who sell to me stay happy and keep selling or buying. Try to contain your jealousy, k?

[Solidus_77]

There goes more insults as opposed to solid proof

 

 

 

Try to contain your jealousy, k?

 

 

 

If you're going to criticize him for insulting you then at least avoid these kinds of remarks. :roll:

[redrune345]

personay, I don't care. :ohnoes: Merchaning is the worst thing possible.. all the pures get cash and us, the people who skill, don't get scwat. :notalk:

[Dharockslayer]

That my friend isnt insults, its critique, two very different things.

 

If you call him a bluff, ofcourse hes going to respond. Why do you want to know if he is able to buy a partyhat? Thats right, because you want to compare it to your wealth to see how much richer you are.

 

 

 

You are making excuses like that too you know. You have no solid proof either. And the very nice person thing isnt relevent to the topic itself.

 

 

 

Look, it isnt wrong or less whatever to apoligize. I apoligize for this topic not going the way you want it to be. But its not only us that is making this into a rather heated debate.

[qeltar]

ego, let me just see if I understand you correctly.

 

 

 

Are you actually trying to suggest that you have more credentials to discuss Runescape economics than I do because you have a bunch of silly hats and I do not?

 

 

 

Just wondering. :?: