Monday Poll: What are your plans?

[jessy87]

If they make a CW update that's bad, I'm quitting fo sure. Now I'm 50/50.

[WingedFish]

I'm probably going to wait until after the controlled trading update in January... Once the rants stop and everyone gives up, I'm unsubscribing.

 

 

 

The only reason I haven't unsubscribed already is because of that glint of hope that Jagex might still change their mind :?

[Ginger_Warrior]

Whilst I can understand the reasoning behind Jagex's decision, I'm still with the majority of RuneScape players who believe that this is completely disproportionate.

 

 

 

I want to relate this to real life for a moment. Fraud and money laundering exists in real life, obviously. I'm going to compare two solutions to this; the first will be idealistic and representative of the approach Jagex have taken, and the second will be what happens on this planet we call Earth.

 

 

 

The first solution would be to stop the unfair trading of money through the system. An example of this is a Communist or a centralised economy; the amount of money which can be exchanged by anyone is equal to the amount of money that can be exchanged by anyone. With a 3K limit on how much we can earn in fifteen minutes, this is effectively what Jagex have done. The rich 'nobility' of the RS population are no longer allowed to distribute their wealth as they please. If in the real world, a scientist makes a huge technological breakthough, you'd expect them to share a portion of that money with those that got them into that position in the first place. In the aforementioned economy, this can't happen. In order to maintain this, market prices become fixed to ensure everyone has a fair deal (the Grand Exchange, in other words). The economy stagnates to a standstill, everyone earns a 'fair deal', no one can commit crime, and everyone's happy, or so the logic goes.

 

 

 

That has problems though. 'Credit', or cash flow, stops completely since no money is running through the economy. If you want a real world example, look what happened to Northern Rock after the American mortgage crisis. The rich keep a tight grip on their money, whilst the poor become poorer, unable to shirt their goods. The gap between the two increases, resulting in tensions and jealousy, and an unwillingness to trade between the two. Production falls, and with it, the entire economy.

 

 

 

Now the real-life solution. We employ specialists to identify where the dodgy money is, then we find out who's behind the sites, and then make it a matter of the law, enforcing it through police and the intelligence services. To relate this to RuneScape, what Jagex should be doing is creating a whole new class of mods (employing more people with the millions of dollars profit they make every year if need be), to locate the source of this money, and destroying it at the source, bringing those involved to court in the real world for a breach of contract and earning money through deception. Secondly, they should have focused on making it harder for them in-game, although with fairness they did try this.

 

 

 

This solution is completely idealistic and not grounded in the real world. The solution is not to punish everyone by completely stopping the trade of money. I have argued this on another thread, but I have a philosophical right to give my hard-earned cash to whoever I so please, so long as I don't breach the contract set out by Jagex. If I want to give millions of GP that I've worked for to someone, then that's my choice, so long as I don't earn a real-life bonus in doing so.

 

 

 

I cannot see where Jagex feel they have a right to tell us how much in monetary value we can earn, and what mediums to tranfer that money through.

 

 

 

This is a forced economy. Jagex are in effect telling us what we can and cannot trade; it borders on totalitarianism. This is tyranny, and people don't eat it for long.

 

 

 

Reverse your inane decision, or I am leaving RS with 20+% of your loyal, paying customers! If you think you're safe because of your position in the MMORPG business, think again! The home console market is catching up with you at an alarming rate. This decision could very well make or break you as a company.

 

 

 

The choice is yours. -.-

[Doomster]

Wait it out (my status of F2P planning to go P2P changes to "not going P2P any time soon unless they find a much better balance").

 

 

 

Put these in order:

 

 

 

Baby, bathwater, thrown out with

 

 

 

 

 

The idea that trades have to be balanced to a level that would satisfy a pernickety accountant, is so wrong... I have sold stuff I didn't really want to sell, when offered a high enough price, and bought stuff for later just because it was cheap.

 

 

 

 

 

I was looking forward to Bounty hunter, but the pilers are destroying it.

 

Mind you, I've made quite a few successful addy arrow stealing missions, I wouldn't steal normally, but this is WAR - and I will NOT sell them at the Bounty hunter area.

 

 

 

Guess I'll have to find another grinding game to level up in, as as Jagex's pursuit of RWT/bots at all costs is just too much - I said before that we weren't going to like their answer - how right I was!

[sixpackjack]

Hi, I'll give it a couple of weeks to see what happens, if it stays as it is after the bad update of 10 Dec 07, then I won't pay anymore.

[Shyla]

I'm going to wait it out maybe until Feb, see if Summoning is worth staying for. If not...if anyone finds a nice game, please let me know :mrgreen:

[Albel]

I dont plan on quitting. I was never a pker, and i really didnt mind the wildy update. Then only thing that got me mad was the trade update. What if one of my friends get hacked? I cant help them...i cant give them 300k of start up money. But beside that i dont mind this at all.

 

-Haseo

[Potter_Pkr]

I already quit the game 2 months ago. I still plan to log on for the Christmas update though.

[Lux_Tenebrae]

Personally, I couldn't care less about PKing. What has me mad is that instead of installing detection code into the game and having a simple database cross check system as a back up, to catch the cheats, Jagex just assumed that all of it's subscribers are cheaters and put in the trade limit. Yes I have read the diary. Some if it I buy, but the rest is just excuses not to keep working on the problem. With the systems I just mentioned, Jagex could find all of the bots and autoers in the game within hours, and by watching the trade records, find the mains and the people doing business with them within days. That however would take ongoing work, the trade restrictions are a one time change and that's the end of it. No more work needed. Jagex saves the money it would cost to hire a database manager and install the softwere. Well good for them. The problem is that I am not a cheater. Why Is Jagex treating me like one? I pay my money to play the game, not deal with all the random events that stop me doing whatever I'm doing in the game and not to have Jagex tell me what I can trade and when I can trade it. With the trade system in place, we can kiss next Christmas goodbuy along with birthdays and any other gift giving events. Why, because Jagex would rather treat the people who keep them in business like criminals than have to do the work to stop the real criminals. Why should I keep giving money to people who have that little respect for there customers? After all, without us, Jagex is an empty office and a lot of unemployed people.

[trojen100]

ok wildys fine but now bounty hunter and clanwars are both almost about clans make bounty solo and you can have priority over your bounty

 

 

 

bank slots are good

 

 

 

trading is the worst though! no gifts no merchanting no loot shareing from KQ forced econamy its like jegex are trying to take every power we had

 

 

 

 

 

and ill bet there will be trading bots!!!!!!!!

 

 

 

trading bots by that i mean there gonna keep trading to get cash

 

 

 

aahhh whats rs coming too

[beeklaan]

[Wee_Stoater]

The 3K limit is [developmentally delayed]ed. For a start, wtf agrees the prices?

 

 

 

I've played as a menber for about 3 years, last night I started a free noobie for fun. Boredom took me to some drop parties, and I scored well on Wildy capes. Folk were offering silly money for them, but could I take advantage? No way, as their value is around 50gp. Time after time my trades fell apart. It makes no sense.

 

 

 

My main is trying to flog a Yew Comp Bow... how much would you offer me? Well GX values it at around 13K so dig deep lol. I can't shift it.

 

 

 

All this just screws the fun of trading/bartering for stuff.

 

 

 

And in the end, the RWTs will find a way, so only real sufferers are us 'normal' players.

[Scotas]

No one probably likes ALL the updates jagex has done.

 

 

 

Communication is kind of killed. No 'proper' trading. Prices are fixed so merchanting is dead ( ouch..). Pking is dead - I was never a fan of pking but I enjoyed death match's with my pure. But now the wilderness is even more dangerous than it was before.

 

 

 

I tried to power mine today in my normal palace - 32lvl goblins mine (iron rocks) ... well normally I would join 1st world to avoid clans or pkers killing me off 'for fun'. But noo the bots are everywhere, i got attacked y one 106 monster (ouch!) I ran away (losing my mining spot) and then i got attacked again by the other one 56- or 60 cmb bot which killed me with my armor. And I have to say that the pkers weren't ever as annoying and dangerous as the stupid monsters.

 

 

 

Hunter bounty would be fun if it was not multi - or if you had a choice if ya wanna join multi one or non multi. Because you get killed by a clan straight away from the beginning (=: Also it's a great Idea i think if it was more developed, hills, trees more obstacles would make the hunting process more interesting if you play it for fun rather than purely to make quick cash out of it.

 

 

 

Nor I do like the stupid balanced trades, yes it is great to get rid off the autoers and as many forums including scar,srl I read people cannot come up with new ideas how to 'get around the new updates' so I'd say it's a good thing, and it's much better when there are less of these fricking stupid autos.

 

 

 

But I wont be ever able to give away a free set of rune to my friend when needed or lend few mils or get a present for xmass, or just fiddle around by trading items and annoying noobs that ya 'gave' the armor or item to other person but not him!

 

 

 

Merchants - dead :(

 

Pkers - bye bye (waste of time to get skills)

 

Duellers - poor people :( dead as well

 

Communication while buying - dead as well

 

 

 

How to make cash now? THere's only one way - 126 combat and killing monsters for good drops.

 

 

 

After all you must understand it's done for future generations (can i say that?) Always 'older' players of runescape gets pissed off after major upgrades, same thing happened when rs2 was introduced and the new stupid pking system (no rounds :o ! ) . Duel arena.. is just a fun fight arena now. Wilderness? What? What's that? A place to cut tree?

 

 

 

But still not having autoers is good , very good and they finally came up with idea how to get rid of em. Yes they can still auto in their main to make cash, but they cant make cash out of it - except selling account is still possible.

 

 

 

But if you can't make cash, so why bother autoing? Where's the fun? Silent mouse doesnt exist anymore after rs2 so you can't use your pc while autoing, and playing the game itself is much more fun!!!! SOme people were forced to auto otherwise you get 'beeped up' by these 3lvlers or clever people trained em to cmb 20.

 

 

 

Also you might ask if I auto myself - so the answer is NO, but yes I have tried (not on my main acc) and it's no good, you don't get the fun you get when play properly, you ruin the game for others - and it's just pointless waste of time.

 

 

 

By the way poor smithers too - rune body 40k, even though materials still cost 60k~ or so.

[kotsie]

What is this...

 

 

 

JAGEX says:

 

"We're changing our game in a way that doesn't negatively affect its gameplay, but which makes real-world trading not worth the effort."

 

 

 

Huh? doesnt negatively affect its gameplay? didnt notice that one guys

 

 

 

I mean. the challenge for Jagex is just to keep us (the players) happy, while they can still achieve THEIR goals (for instance, no RWT). They messed this one up bigtime imo: no wild?? bounty hunter isnt nearly half exciting as goin in the wild dressed up for battle, and is just a place where teams attack single people.

 

 

 

Free trade stop is also screwed -.- I mean... what if someone needs a rune scim real fast for clan wars... He wont be able to get any cauz noone will sell for only 3k difference... And borrowing stuff to friends is done also -.- ... :wall:

 

 

 

I mean... Jagex says: this will happen NOW, without even a warning (I'm thinking of all the pkers that just subscribed, lost all that money), while they should think about what WE think... I personally didnt care about autoers to much, altho they couldve just set sum Pmods with the yews in fally free worlds and ban 1k a day... :-k

 

 

 

Id rather have old rs back with RWT then new rs without pking, trading... This game is useless without those things... (Let's all go cut trees, hooray!) :shame:

 

 

 

btw, what u said: poor smithers.... Ive trained my [wagon] off to get 86 smith, so now i can earn a hell lot off money and wont be able to do nething with it since theirs no drags pk to spill ur money on... yay :?:

 

 

 

for me its over if it doesnt change again.

 

 

 

GF RS. Ill miss you.

[gh3tt0o]

iam going to quit .. i think alot people will what you wanna do with ur skills ? earn money for expensive stuff and after that? whats the fun of playing rs without normal pking and not get mass att. in the bounty hunter arena.. ?

[RebelAssassin]

there is a very simple solution to all of this

 

 

 

World of Warcraft

[brunokiller]

 

 

 

Please do not post offensive messages. It offends me and in particular my uncle.

 

 

 

That is the symbol of a government that killed 25 million people if you didn't know.

[Scotas]

He is too [bleep]ing [developmentally delayed]ed to understand what it is

[cityus]

Im going to wait it out for maybe a day or 2, then prob quit. Runescape is just so different now in the past couple weeks/months. Kinda depressing to see jagex make changes cause 10% of the population makes money off it and they ruined it for everyone else. Anyone know if jagex has stocks on the market? im considering short selling them.

this is exactly my thoughts.

[TheDecline]

I quit immediately. I canceled the memberships for Majin_Sarek and Prince_Sarek yesterday.

[aure22]

there is a very simple solution to all of this

 

 

 

World of Warcraft

 

 

 

 

 

I tried it and no, it is not...except in wow is still bots and RWT..if u want those.

[mr_invisable]

Ill wait till the dust settles and see whats left.

 

 

 

Maybe runescape will lie in ruines, maybe not.

 

 

 

Summoning BETTER be VERY good, or else! :wall:

[krum_83]

i'm not in any clan i've done a little pking but to no great extent or profit and ive never done any merchanting or any staking.

 

i like the ge i think its a great idea and overall i think jagex has made some great changes to the game in these last few updates but 1 thing still remains that i think should be changed, if they have put a stop to rwt with these updates then y not take away random events there is nothing more annoying then sitting there alching or fletching then all of a sudden have a random happen.

 

it takes away time that could be spent skilling or whatever and then they give u a piddly reward like 20gp or 2 diamonds when i could have made 15-20k in that time alching.

 

yes people might still machro to lvl or whatever i don't care thats their choice if they wanna ruin the game for themselves thats fine but if people have no real income from the game then randoms should be stopped aswell.

 

these updates really are for the benefit of the game and like always i'll lose interest with the game sooner or later for a few months then i'll do my usual 5-6 month stint then lose interest with the game again but i'll always be back because there is always something new and exciting to do.

[Derckert82]

I am a clan leader and the recent updates for the wilderness are just mind-boggling! Jagex just killed clans!! I've had to cancel our wars against other clans, practice wars to prepare, and PK trips. We had fun events like snowball fights, range free-for-alls, and binding races. Those are all gone as well!

 

 

 

There is no more PKing as a clan or having awesome big wars like the massive multi-clan war we just did with tip.it.

 

 

 

Not to mention, no drop parties for friends or giving things to friends when they have been hacked or killed. For one, I give my kids stuff whenever their character dies or gets scammed. Sometimes I lend stuff to a friend and then get my payback later on. Or how about if you want to help someone out with a skill. One of my friends who had 99 fletching and wanted 99 magic gave me 20K yew longs to fletch for him and then he hialched them. I got the excellent fletching experience, he saved time and got his magic experience and money for is investment.

 

 

 

All of the comradery stuff is mostly gone with this update. It is almost an individual game now. BTW, who ever donates or gives stuff under 3K???? The LEAST Jagex could have done was make the value more reasonable! 3K is ridiculous unless you are a new player and it seems like a million in your eyes.

 

 

 

The bounty hunter and clan wars would have been GREAT mini-games! I've already done them and they are cool for that. But to REPLACE the wilderness with them is CRAP!! Half of my clan is thinking of quitting because everything they ever strived for is being taken away. So from a clan of nearly 100 members, I am going to be left with about 40 or less unless things change which I don't see happening.

 

 

 

The conspiracy theory for all of this is that Jagex is setting everyone up to quit RS and join their new games they are coming out with next year. The problem with that is that people are going to be so pissed off with Jagex, they won't even bother! Why offer yourself up to be messed with twice?

 

 

 

The Grand Exchange is mediocre because of the small spread on items that limit what you can sell them for. So what if someone wants to try and sell a whip for 3 million or a magic log for 50K. It's not like someone is likely to buy it. Costs of items in real worlds and pixel worlds alike ahve always been determined by supply and demand. Why put these kinds of restrictions on the GE?

 

 

 

No clan wars and losing or gaining rune sets

 

No PKing and getting good loot

 

No helping others in need

 

No friendly drop parties

 

No control over your own wealth

 

No fun

 

 

 

For me, I will wait and hope for changes. But only time will determine the fate of Runescape for the masses of clans and wilderness lovers.

[linkrox4040]

i'm sure jagex will have a lend item thing like assist system, but how i don't know.

 

 

 

As for the wildy update, i love it as i've never pked and never intended to.