Good Riddance to Bad Rubbish

[swordwindtrtrtrt]

qeltar wrote:

 

Don't hold your breath, troll.

 

 

 

 

 

Trying to label me as a troll now, are you? How original. We both know the reason you won't respond is because you have no response which doesn't expose you are the biased, opinionated and ignorant person that you are. For someone who advocates the 'truth', you sure hate objectivism.

 

 

 

Subjectivity ftw!

 

 

 

But you are trolling. This thread was about the new update and the possible positives of it. You've pretty much hijacked it because it is now all about trying to prove/disprove whether pures were positive or not, and just flaming Qeltar.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

berbatovsky wrote:

 

Qeltar never said that pures were the only players who did all that bad stuff he just said that they as a group were more prone to doing all that bad stuff.

 

 

 

 

 

I'm not sure you know, but lemme' give you a little history lesson regarding Qeltar. A long time ago he decided to venture into the wilderness to slay green dragons, where he was unmercilessly killed by a pure. Since that time he's held an irrational dislike of pures and PK'ing, advocating numerous changes which would all but destroy both groups (He's even admitted as such). As far as he's concerned, PK'ing and pures are evil and all of Runescape problems stem from them. Never mind the fact that the 'facts' which he so desperately aims to convey but frequently ignores show differently. Oh well... I guess I'll just call him the FOX news of Runescape He tells you what suits him and ignores what doesn't.

 

 

 

I laughed at this. You have no proof of this. Its what i see on the RSOF all the time, a main dares to say that pures are negative in some way and its "OMG U HATE PURES AND WILD COS THEY PWNED U!!!".

 

 

 

You just said that, but hid it by speaking without capitals and internet slang.

 

 

 

Qeltar wrote:

 

People from all of these groups are making their voices heard, generally in a reasonable wayÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Ã

[qeltar]

Your twisting things and using things hes said before out of context.

 

 

 

That's what trolls do. :wall:

 

 

 

Again, appreciate the help, berbatovsky, but I've been through it with this guy many times before. He thrives on the attention and won't stop unless he's ignored, at which point he'll slither back under his rock where he belongs.

 

 

 

Remember, you are dealing with a person who thinks there's "nothing wrong about luring" (direct quote).

[Sly_Wizard]

Pkers/pures WERE the only groups 'rioting'. Its just a fact. It doesn't matter that not all pures/pkers were rioting(hes not saying they all were), pures/pkers made up nearly all of the rioters. Hes not talking about other times where people have rioted only this time. Your twisting things and using things hes said before out of context.

 

 

 

I dunno' why I'm going to do this. Anyway, pay close attention to this quote, especially the bolded word:

 

 

 

PKers and pures. The same groups who always engage in idiotic behavior any time a change is made that affects their gameplay.

 

 

 

alÃÆââ¬Å¡Ãâ÷ways /ÃÆââ¬Â¹Ãâ¹Ã¢â¬Â ÃÆââ¬Â°Ã¢ââ¬Ã

[berbatovsky]

Your twisting things and using things hes said before out of context.

 

 

 

That's what trolls do. :wall:

 

 

 

Again, appreciate the help, berbatovsky, but I've been through it with this guy many times before. He thrives on the attention and won't stop unless he's ignored, at which point he'll slither back under his rock where he belongs.

 

 

 

Remember, you are dealing with a person who thinks there's "nothing wrong about luring" (direct quote).

 

 

 

I've said all I can say that is reasonable, if 1) he can't see its reasonable 2) doesn't want to see it as reasonable I wont respond again. Although I have to say regardless of your history with this person it would be advisable to stop saying negative things about him, I know hes doing it to you but my hope (as with all arguments) is that any insults can be got over quickly and then people can discuss/argue the actual issue at hand.

[qeltar]

 

I dunno' why I'm going to do this.

 

 

:lol:

 

 

 

Because you LOVE it. I can remember your prior trolling attempts, where you'd put this before nearly response.. page after page after page after page of the same "gee I dunno why I am doing this".

 

 

 

Begone.

 

 

 

[Sly_Wizard]

But you are trolling. This thread was about the new update and the possible positives of it. You've pretty much hijacked it because it is now all about trying to prove/disprove whether pures were positive or not, and just flaming Qeltar.

 

 

 

*Points to Mel's post before his (Either on the second or first page, I forgot)*

 

 

 

I laughed at this. You have no proof of this.

 

 

 

You could always ask him yourself. If he wants to tell you the truth, he will. It's not like I have a reason to lie.

 

 

 

Its what i see on the RSOF all the time, a main dares to say that pures are negative in some way and its "OMG U HATE PURES AND WILD COS THEY PWNED U!!!".

 

 

 

You just said that, but hid it by speaking without capitals and internet slang.

 

 

 

It's no big secret that most people's hatred of pures stems from the fact that they were attacked and/or killed by one while walking about the wilderness. Qeltar is a good example of this :

 

 

 

Shock horror...generalizations are sometimes true.

 

 

 

All level 3's are macro'ers.

 

Anyone under level 50 is a noob.

 

Anyone over level 100 is a no lifer.

 

All impures are stuck up snobs.

 

 

 

There's a reason they're called generalizations.

[berbatovsky]

Pkers/pures WERE the only groups 'rioting'. Its just a fact. It doesn't matter that not all pures/pkers were rioting(hes not saying they all were), pures/pkers made up nearly all of the rioters. Hes not talking about other times where people have rioted only this time. Your twisting things and using things hes said before out of context.

 

 

 

I dunno' why I'm going to do this. Anyway, pay close attention to this quote, especially the bolded word:

 

 

 

PKers and pures. The same groups who always engage in idiotic behavior any time a change is made that affects their gameplay.

 

 

 

alÃÆââ¬Å¡Ãâ÷ways /ÃÆââ¬Â¹Ãâ¹Ã¢â¬Â ÃÆââ¬Â°Ã¢ââ¬Ã

[jonni]

 

 

For someone who is past his 50's I have to say the OP isnt very intelligent and certainly not the white caring high moral figure he proclaims himself to be. All it takes is to read one of his posts where he condemns everyone and everything he does not see worthy in his eyes. Somebody who is truely pure and good would never do that.

 

 

I've never claimed to be "pure and good", and I'm not "past my 50s". Where do you come up with this nonsense?

 

 

 

At any rate, I thought you were quitting. Do you need help packing your bags? Do let me know if any of your hats need alching.

 

 

 

:XD: ! I've been waiting for someone to say something like that to him for a while.

[Sly_Wizard]

Because you LOVE it. I can remember your prior trolling attempts, where you'd put this before nearly response.. page after page after page after page of the same "gee I dunno why I am doing this".

 

 

 

Begone.

 

 

 

Which prior trolling attempts? Oh. You mean the last thread where I agreed with you yet you still tried to insult me lol? Riiight... The 'facts' (Remember those?) remain. You know nothing about PK'ing nor pures. You hold an irrational dislike of both groups. You can't provide any evidence to back any of your claims up aside from generalizations.

 

 

 

Basically, your article = This image:

 

 

 

[x1992x]

 

I dunno' why I'm going to do this.

 

 

:lol:

 

 

 

Because you LOVE it. I can remember your prior trolling attempts, where you'd put this before nearly response.. page after page after page after page of the same "gee I dunno why I am doing this".

 

 

 

Begone.

 

 

 

 

 

 

rofl :XD:

[Sly_Wizard]

The same groups who always engage in idiotic behavior any time a change is made that affects their gameplay.

 

 

 

If you looked at what he said it was not 'PKERS RIOT ALL THE TIME WHEN THE GAME IS CHANGED', it was 'PKERS RIOT ALL THE TIME WHEN CHANGES ARE MADE THAT EFFECT THEM' (I can't remember changes to Pking before this so this would actually be true as the only time a significant change has been made to pking (these updates) they have rioted :P).

 

 

 

Erm... Apparently you're still not understanding what I typed out. That's what I said he said and I then asked where were the other riots when changes were made to the wilderness that affected PK'ers since, according to Qeltar, we "always" riot. And, beyond that, how do 'riots' by the non-PK'ing groups play into his claim. I'm still waiting for an answer :lol:

 

 

 

I've never seen Qeltar say he hated PKers, its obvious he doesn't LIKE them but that doesn't equate to hate(I'm of the opinion that the difference between HATE and dislike is massive and I find people say they hate things too casually).

 

 

 

Then you should get out more. If you would have spent more time on the RSOF, you would have seen his admissions as to how much he detests pures and PK'ers as a whole. It's not a big secret.

 

 

 

I'm not blindly defending the MEANING of his comments, I'm defending him from your abusive tone and you taking things he's said out of context, if it was the other way round I'd be defending you.

 

 

 

You are what you are. If you're going to revel in another group's misery, speak out of your [wagon] when you don't PK and avoid the wilderness like the Ebola virus and then try to lump everyone into a group to fit your narrowmindedness, then I've NO problem in calling you an ignorant idiot.

 

 

 

I don't like some of the updates (as I said much earlier in this thread) but really the cheats in this game were ruining it, and thats what this article was about. Try to stop seeing this as a personal attack and just post what you think about the comments raised in the article itself and by other players.

 

 

 

Not terribly. I, along with quite a few people, cares not a lick about RWT. If they want to spend their money on a game, more power to them. It didn't negatively affect me, so I could care less.

 

 

 

Edit: the reasons generalizations are made is because they are (shock, horror) GENERALLY true. Unfortunately in this PC (not the mini game) environment we live in people have in their heads equated generalizations to racism which is stupid IMO.

 

 

 

*See a few responses ago*

[Bobbington]

Hurray! Me and Qeltar are on exactly the same page for once! Not one point I would differ with even slightly.

 

 

 

Whilst I feel that some of the features that have been done/will be done need some tweaking for balancing and fairness reasons, I sadly feel that the updates where badly needed.

 

 

 

I think the resent updates have removed allot of the worst of the players indirectly, sadly it was always recognized that it was the worst: pkers, stakers, and merchants who dragged down the games community.... I feel we are going to have a much happier, more mature community with them going.

 

 

 

However saying that I think the better members of the above groups have had the ability to adapt to the changes.... I would still like to push for a bigger staking cap (50-75k) and a bigger trading boundary (10% either side), but if not I can still carry on.

 

 

 

I do feel for some that genuinely feel let down by Jagex, and as the development diary said... I think Jagex are sorry to have to let them down as well.

 

 

 

I think the game can go to a new strength now, and I bet within 6months most of the other MMORPGs will have followed what jagex have done. It will be interesting to see what the warcraft people say then...!

[qeltar]

Thanks for helping to keep this thread bumped, Mr. Wizard!

 

 

 

Here's a link to the original again, which I am sure Mr. Wizard wants everyone to read. ;)

 

 

 

 

I think the game can go to a new strength now, and I bet within 6months most of the other MMORPGs will have followed what jagex have done. It will be interesting to see what the warcraft people say then...!

 

 

 

I was thinking the same thing myself. Will be interesting to see what happens.. though obviously this sort of move is not without its costs, so other MMORPGs may not want to follow suit.

[iwatake]

Well said, well said indeed. =D>

 

 

 

You're true to your website :)

[Junuea]

I do agree with the vast majority of the updates, however neuturing the wilderness was over the top in my opinion, I remember all the way back to runescape classic it was a huge rush, running around the wild avoiding all the strong players. However it did need to be decreased in size for the serious PK'ers, but I don't think bounty hunter was the answer, it's a nice mini game but it can't replace the wild. They need a balance to keep all players happy, everyone plays for their own individual reasons. Like it or not, pk-ing and pures were a large aspect of the game and not all of them are bad people, not matter what type of character you always get someone being a troll or trying to frustrate your own gameplay. There's a lot of immature players within the game, and that can never be changed, to brand all pures and pk-ers as the problem is a little naive to be honest, there will always be players that will irritate you and new ways to scam to have a 100% friendly and legimately playing community is a bit unlikely. There's arguements for and against every decision that's ever been made in history, hopefully Jagex will ride the storm, and solve the problems that the real PK-ers who don't quit in a childish rage actually have with the new system, and create something that everyone can agree with, however you've got to give them time they're only human and they're only trying to make changes to the game that will effect it positvely in the long run.

 

Now don't kick my [wagon] this is my first post! haha. \

[swordwindtrtrtrt]

 

It's plain that sly wizard is jealous of Qeltar's well thought out and constructive posts, probably because all of his are the exact oposite.

 

 

 

Now can we get back on track here?

[Sly_Wizard]

Yeah... So very, insanely jealous. I wish I could write highly opinionated articles while trying to hide them under the veil of 'truth'.

 

 

 

:(

[berbatovsky]

The same groups who always engage in idiotic behavior any time a change is made that affects their gameplay.

 

 

 

If you looked at what he said it was not 'PKERS RIOT ALL THE TIME WHEN THE GAME IS CHANGED', it was 'PKERS RIOT ALL THE TIME WHEN CHANGES ARE MADE THAT EFFECT THEM' (I can't remember changes to Pking before this so this would actually be true as the only time a significant change has been made to pking (these updates) they have rioted :P).

 

 

 

Erm... Apparently you're still not understanding what I typed out. That's what I said he said and I then asked where were the other riots when changes were made to the wilderness that affected PK'ers since, according to Qeltar, we "always" riot. And, beyond that, how do 'riots' by the non-PK'ing groups play into his claim. I'm still waiting for an answer :lol:

 

 

 

I've never seen Qeltar say he hated PKers, its obvious he doesn't LIKE them but that doesn't equate to hate(I'm of the opinion that the difference between HATE and dislike is massive and I find people say they hate things too casually).

 

 

 

Then you should get out more. If you would have spent more time on the RSOF, you would have seen his admissions as to how much he detests pures and PK'ers as a whole. It's not a big secret.

 

 

 

I'm not blindly defending the MEANING of his comments, I'm defending him from your abusive tone and you taking things he's said out of context, if it was the other way round I'd be defending you.

 

 

 

You are what you are. If you're going to revel in another group's misery, speak out of your [wagon] when you don't PK and avoid the wilderness like the Ebola virus and then try to lump everyone into a group to fit your narrowmindedness, then I've NO problem in calling you an ignorant idiot.

 

 

 

I don't like some of the updates (as I said much earlier in this thread) but really the cheats in this game were ruining it, and thats what this article was about. Try to stop seeing this as a personal attack and just post what you think about the comments raised in the article itself and by other players.

 

 

 

Not terribly. I, along with quite a few people, cares not a lick about RWT. If they want to spend their money on a game, more power to them. It didn't negatively affect me, so I could care less.

 

 

 

Edit: the reasons generalizations are made is because they are (shock, horror) GENERALLY true. Unfortunately in this PC (not the mini game) environment we live in people have in their heads equated generalizations to racism which is stupid IMO.

 

 

 

*See a few responses ago*

 

 

 

K this is whats happening:

 

 

 

You: hey 'bunch of stuff'

 

 

 

Me: responds to 'bunch of stuff'

 

 

 

You: No you don't get IT!!!

 

 

 

Me: No I do, I'm just asking you to be reasonable, your free to express your opinions.

 

 

 

You:Qeltars an idiot.

 

 

 

Not terribly. I, along with quite a few people, cares not a lick about RWT. If they want to spend their money on a game, more power to them. It didn't negatively affect me, so I could care less.

 

 

 

RWT'ers actually don't spend money on the game, they spend other peoples money they 'earned' by breaking the rules, if you really can't see that RWT'ing is one of the worst things in the game I'm surprised. If you're going to say 'meh I don't care about cheating' its really not that much of a leap in logic to suggest you buy items/gold. I mean if you don't care at all, don't see any negative aspect to it, whats stopping you from just buying gold?

 

(edit: That 'you' is not explicitly referring to you Sly_wizard but is just general, if people don't see any negatives to cheating what stops them cheating? would have been a better phrasing).

[Bobbington]

Also we should see a massive reduction in account hacking/hijacking as the hijackers will not be able to get the items off account... although account trading will probably go in an increase, which may cancel it out as the groups will target the official forums and game with hack site addresses aimed at steeling accounts to be sold on.... of course I don't think they will be sucsessful as they have the entire of ICU focused on it.... and accounts are regainable.

 

 

 

I semi expect Jagex to put a block on logging onto accounts from addresses over X miles away (cross continental) without having the account unlocked (with recovery questions) by jagex.... I feel if they did that we really would see an end to the illegal aspect of this game.

[qeltar]

Sly Wizard isn't jealous of me. To understand him, simply look at the title of the thread.

 

 

 

He is the sort of person Jagex is trying to clean out of the game. He is completely amoral and doesn't care about anything bad that happens to anyone in the game as long as it's not him. He's said as much.

 

 

 

He opposes every change Jagex makes to stop scamming because he thinks people who get scammed "deserve it".

 

 

 

He opposes every change Jagex makes to stop luring for the same reason. He said that there was nothing wrong with luring, and that if someone was too young or inexperienced to detect it and lost millions, that this was "good for them".

 

 

 

Incredibly, he was even one of the ONLY people I saw complain when Jagex changed the filters so you couldn't say your own password. In his view, having a young player get tricked into saying his password, having his account get cleaned out and then the player quit in frustration would be "not a bad thing. Runescape can only be as smart as it's dumbest player."

 

 

 

That's a direct quote. I have the thread saved.

 

 

 

Bad rubbish, headed for the curb.

[Sly_Wizard]

RWT'ers actually don't spend money on the game, they spend other peoples money they 'earned' by breaking the rules, if you really can't see that RWT'ing is one of the worst things in the game I'm surprised.

 

 

 

Semantics are bad. They spend money on Runescape, with Runescape being the game in question. Sheesh... Anyway, regardless of what Jagex might want you to believe, RWT don't negatively impact the game.

 

 

 

If you're going to say 'meh I don't care about cheating' its really not that much of a leap in logic to suggest you buy items/gold. I mean if you don't care at all, don't see any negative aspect to it, whats stopping you from just buying gold?

 

 

 

Yes, that would be quite a leap in logic. Not caring about people who decide to buy Runescape items doesn't mean one does it him/herself. It's the same as saying that anyone who doesn't like the newest update is a sammer. It's a fallacy to believe as much.

 

 

 

(edit: That 'you' is not explicitly referring to you Sly_wizard but is just general, if people don't see any negatives to cheating what stops them cheating? would have been a better phrasing).

 

 

 

Yes, yes. I know what you meant by 'you'.

[Celestrana]

Have you ever been in a clan?

 

 

 

What does that have to do with this discussion?

 

Jagex will take away monster hunting with partners.

 

 

 

Isn't LootShare suppose to solve this problem?

[swordwindtrtrtrt]

Sly Wizard isn't jealous of me. To understand him, simply look at the title of the thread.

 

 

 

He is the sort of person Jagex is trying to clean out of the game. He is completely amoral and doesn't care about anything bad that happens to anyone in the game as long as it's not him. He's said as much.

 

 

 

He opposes every change Jagex makes to stop scamming because he thinks people who get scammed "deserve it".

 

 

 

He opposes every change Jagex makes to stop luring for the same reason. He said that there was nothing wrong with luring, and that if someone was too young or inexperienced to detect it and lost millions, that this was "good for them".

 

 

 

Incredibly, he was even one of the ONLY people I saw complain when Jagex changed the filters so you couldn't say your own password. In his view, having a young player get tricked into saying his password, having his account get cleaned out and then the player quit in frustration would be "not a bad thing. Runescape can only be as smart as it's dumbest player."

 

 

 

That's a direct quote. I have the thread saved.

 

 

 

Bad rubbish, headed for the curb.

Hmm. Jagex is taking out the trash.

[berbatovsky]

RWT'ers actually don't spend money on the game, they spend other peoples money they 'earned' by breaking the rules, if you really can't see that RWT'ing is one of the worst things in the game I'm surprised.

 

 

 

Semantics are bad. They spend money on Runescape, with Runescape being the game in question. Sheesh... Anyway, regardless of what Jagex might want you to believe, RWT don't negatively impact the game.

 

 

 

If you're going to say 'meh I don't care about cheating' its really not that much of a leap in logic to suggest you buy items/gold. I mean if you don't care at all, don't see any negative aspect to it, whats stopping you from just buying gold?

 

 

 

Yes, that would be quite a leap in logic. Not caring about people who decide to buy Runescape items doesn't mean one does it him/herself. It's the same as saying that anyone who doesn't like the newest update is a sammer. It's a fallacy to believe as much.

 

 

 

(edit: That 'you' is not explicitly referring to you Sly_wizard but is just general, if people don't see any negatives to cheating what stops them cheating? would have been a better phrasing).

 

 

 

Yes, yes. I know what you meant by 'you'.

 

 

 

If you don't see ANY negative aspect of cheating why don't you cheat? this time the you means you.

 

 

 

edit:As for the 'you' bit it would have been clearer if I said 'people' instead of 'you' but I meant it in a philosophizing sense as in 'if you are are but an insignificant speck in the universe does anything you do matter?' (regarding my previous posts use of the word you)

[Mithril_Max]

this doesnt make runescape a better community with less idiots

 

 

 

it makes it a community of people who are too stupid to do things for themselves