Good Riddance to Bad Rubbish

[qeltar]

 

Nothing livens up a thread like an opposing point of view (regardless of merit), it gets boring when that's left to do is pat OP on the back.

 

 

 

I suppose.

 

 

 

On the other hand, "posting meritless opposing points of view to 'liven up' a thread" is practically the *definition* of trolling, is it not? ;)

 

 

 

Opposing views is excellent.

 

 

 

Personal trashing and mindless discussion is not. This topic contains most of the last two. And now I'm probably just fueling it more by posting this. Yet I post. Knowing that it is just more spam adding.

 

 

 

Look this "discussion" is even making me do highly illogical things. Great

 

 

 

Well, it's not all that bad a thread.

 

 

 

And just consider how fitting it is that the two people who are posting personal attacks against me for my article are one guy who supports scammers and lurers, and an admitted price manipulator merchant. ;)

[The_Dr34m]

Awesome man..

 

 

 

At first i was a bit skittish with the Trade restrictions.

 

But you made some great points i didnt think about.

[Aquashock]

"More stereotyping, generalising, blame throwing and being self righteous. Who are you to judge who should be here or not? Why do you think after all your posts nobody ever offered you to be a mod, pmod, forum mod, any mod?"

 

 

 

One of the CREATORS of Jagex said almost EXACTLY what Qeltar said in a news post.

 

 

 

Basically if you were the kind of player that felt the victims of fraud deserved it, and that Jagex shouldn't do all they could to stop these scams he stated he DID NOT WANT YOU TO BE PLAYING RUNESCAPE.

 

 

 

I wish I knew which post it was, I'm gonna look around right now. But I'm sure there's others that read it.

 

 

 

Oh, and I dislike pures as well. On principal, NOT because I got "owned". I'm lvl 124, if and when I went into the wild PJers, and their like bothered me, pures didn't.

 

 

 

I dislike pures simply because they are an ADMITTED exploit of the combat system. And I dislike ANYONE that abuses exploits.

 

 

 

There is a line between stopping people from getting lured (what I am for) and stopping free trading overall (what I am against). There must be an alternate way of handling this, without ruining player killing, or monster hunting (basically, my only two incomes as of late).

[Sly_Wizard]

Even if someone is being greedy we're talking about young children here (13 year olds aren't anywhere near as well equipped as say 16 year olds to deal with things like this), I think if you're going to make a game like this you might as well make one where things like luring can't happen. I really can't see any negatives about the wilderness ditch, I think it was a good idea and well implemented.

 

 

 

Intellectual cop-out. Runescape existed for six years, of which no wilderness ditch was needed. People under thirteen played just fine then, so it stands to reason that they can play just fine now.

 

 

 

And just consider how fitting it is that the two people who are posting personal attacks against me for my article are one guy who supports scammers and lurers, and an admitted price manipulator merchant. ;)

 

 

 

Right. And this coming from an author who hates merchants, stakers and PK'ers alike. The difference between you and I is that I can wrte an objective article which really does contain the 'truth' whereas you don't know the difference between subjective and objective. Your version of the 'truth' is nothing more than a bunch of falsified facts and generalizations.

 

 

 

I mean, it just tickles me pink how you blame pures for the majority of Runescape's problems. Sorta' reminds me of this:

 

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EonjqFPKVU

 

 

 

Substitute the word pures and we've got your argument against them.

[qeltar]

Runescape existed for six years, of which no wilderness ditch was needed. People under thirteen played just fine then, so it stands to reason that they can play just fine now.

 

 

 

 

When I was six years old, I was in my mother's car. She went around the corner in an intersection, my little sister had opened the door, and she practically fell out onto the road.

 

 

 

She survived, though. So clearly, car seats, seat belts and child-proof locks weren't necessary. Too bad the car companies didn't have Sly Wizard around to advise them not to bother with such unnecessary precautions.

 

 

The difference between you and I, though, is that I can wrte an objective article

 

 

Actually, you never write articles. You just troll other people's threads with off-topic comments, lies and innuendo.

 

 

 

The real difference is that I believe strongly in positive gameplay and I am not ashamed to make my feelings known. I've spent hundreds of hours writing material to help improve the game and educate players about how to play better and avoid pitfalls.

 

 

 

You, on the other hand, are the sort of amoral and selfish player that Andrew Gower encouraged to leave the game many months ago. Anyone who thinks it is good for a kid who doesn't know any better to get scammed is the lowest form of scum. Even worse then RWTers, IMO.

 

 

 

And the more the recent changes bother people like you and ego-maniac, the more it proves that while the updates need fixing, they were a necessary harbinger of a better RS community in the future.

[Bobbington]

Don't know why the heck we are discussing the wilderness ditch..... but while we are.... Sly whilst there was the warning that flashed up for the wilderness, may I remind you that bug abusing lurer's had ways to get people into the wilderness without the victim having the message displayed, and no they tried but it was not a bug that could be fixed.

 

 

 

 

 

Reasons for actions are never 2D, if you treat them as such you miss so many points of view.

[emmanuel1233]

for all those players who are "rioting" and protesting in game won't make a difference.. they should all just send "nice, kind letters to jagex" no spamming in game, that will just make them look "kiddish" even if they are..

 

like some smart ppl on the rs fourm just start a topic and get supporters..

 

help create idea where you can have pking and still stop RWT....

 

personally i don't really like the whole destroy pking thing... some players like to pray on weak players and kill... maybe players stronger than them...

 

but when bounty hunter came out, we have no choice but to go where we are required.. i don't like that one bit, but still i don't help spam or riot.. its useless.. especially in game where its kinda rare to see a j mod....

 

what are the regular players going to do... they just quit... instead of helping to find a way to stop RWT/scamming/ w/e..... just to let everyone know im against what jagex did to wildy :shame: but im not like those other players in game thinking that just cause they play they make the rule or w/e

[R_2_H]

Oops, I made a mistake. :x

[ego_scorpion]

Let me rephase what I said sinse people are still cheering on.

 

 

 

What kind of clown says good riddance when people are basiclay being forced to qiut?

 

 

 

Staking was removed stakers quit

 

Pking removed, pkers quit

 

Merchanting removed, emrchants quit

 

Trade removed, families quit

 

 

 

Good god, instead of banding together to oppose this clowns are making threads supporting this, who enjoys the grief of others?

 

 

 

Granted, a lot of them go about it wrong,b ut peopel have the right to be upset and unhappy.

 

 

 

Its truely sad how ignorant people can get

[reaper88888]

They took out some really bad scum, but in the process they destroyed pretty much all the kindness left in the game. And I just LOVE how they tried to soften the blow by spreading all that hype about summoning just before they broke the news. "Hey kid, here's a new toy! Oh, yeah, about that crash, we don't think you'll ever be able to walk again..."

 

 

 

 

 

But the worst part of it is... 3k?! 3,000 lousy gp... When was the last time you thought of 3k as a lot of money? Level 10? Even 50k/15min would still be reasonable, it would take 5 hours to transfer 1m that way...

 

 

 

 

 

I mean, its nice that they finally did something, but they did a lot of it in a way that was bad for the game. As for the pures, well, maybe they'll actually all quit this time...But note that the people at JaGEx didn't remove NH pking, they just changed it around. It just sucks that clans can't play 'for keeps' any more.

[qeltar]

Your post is a lot more fun after being put through the dialectizer. Elmer Fudd seems like a good choice...

 

 

Wet me wephase what I said sinse peopwe awe stiww cheewing on, uh-hah-hah-hah.

 

 

 

What kind of cwown says good widdance when peopwe awe basicway being fowced to qiut?

 

 

 

Staking was wemoved stakews qwit

 

Pking wemoved, pkews qwit

 

Mewchanting wemoved, emwchants qwit

 

Twade wemoved, famiwies qwit

 

 

 

Good god, instead of banding togethew to oppose this cwowns awe making thweads suppowting this, who enjoys the gwief of othews?

 

 

 

Gwanted, a wot of them go about it wwong,b ut peopew have the wight to be upset and unhappy.

 

 

 

Its twuewy sad how ignowant peopwe can get

 

[meili]

Your post is a lot more fun after being put through the dialectizer. Elmer Fudd seems like a good choice...

 

 

 

Oh now that is just disgusting and childish. Please, even I have never resorted to anything that immature and I don't even uphold myself as a writer of "what is true."

[Sly_Wizard]

When I was six years old, I was in my mother's car. She went around the corner in an intersection, my little sister had opened the door, and she practically fell out onto the road.

 

 

 

She survived, though. So clearly, car seats, seat belts and child-proof locks weren't necessary. Too bad the car companies didn't have Sly Wizard around to advise them not to bother with such unnecessary precautions.

 

 

 

Let's see here... A strawman and a red herring in the same sentence. Gosh, Mr. Qeltar, you sure do suck at trying to construct a sensible rebuttal. But, really, it's no surprise considering who I'm speaking to. Guess you'd better head back to those logic classes you always tell me I need to take :lol:

 

 

 

Actually, you never write articles. You just troll other people's threads with off-topic comments, lies and innuendo.

 

 

 

Reading am your friend. Notice I said that the difference between you and I is that I can write objective articles. Can doesn't mean have. Can means I'm capable of it whereas, it would seem, you are not.

 

 

 

The real difference is that I believe strongly in positive gameplay and I am not ashamed to make my feelings known. I've spent hundreds of hours writing material to help improve the game and educate players about how to play better and avoid pitfalls.

 

 

 

And I spent my time in-game. A very wise investment indeed, I must say.

 

 

 

Anyway, you're quite funny. You've spent an inordinate amount of time coming up with ways to 'improve' the game, without actually having participated in most of the areas you advocate change in. Now, I've gotta' say, that's a pretty impressive feat. How's it feel to be omnipotent and all-knowing?

 

 

 

You, on the other hand, are the sort of amoral and selfish player that Andrew Gower encouraged to leave the game many months ago. Anyone who thinks it is good for a kid who doesn't know any better to get scammed is the lowest form of scum. Even worse then RWTers, IMO.

 

 

 

Selfish and amoral, huh? That doesn't bother me, considering you think the same of all PK'ers. While you're at it, you might want to throw in the word godless. Oh, and narcissistic. I've always liked that word. You can't forget psychotic, either! That would be a travesty.

 

 

 

:roll:

 

 

 

Funny thing here, Qeltar. You keep mentioning how I should do this and that based on what Andrew said, but you forget that you were forcibly removed by Andrew's rules. Now that's irony :lol: But, you know, keep patting yourself on the back for being an oustanding Runescape citizen ;)

 

 

 

And the more the recent changes bother people like you and ego-maniac, the more it proves that while the updates need fixing, they were a necessary harbinger of a better RS community in the future.

 

 

 

Oh... I see... So because I, as a PK'er, am upset with the update then it was much needed. Hmmm... Like I said earlier, you simply detest PK'ers and are happy to see harm come to their gameplay. Go read Meili's thread. I'm sure her last example of a typical type of poster will seem familiar to you.

[Rock Hard]

Lol, cut the crap now ladies.

 

 

 

Whilst I agree largely with a lot of what Sly said earlier on in this topic, it's just venomous mudslinging on both sides.

 

 

 

Shame on you all.

 

 

 

Keep the personal attacks in PM's.

[remington]

And still no comment on what Andrew himself said about players that don't like these kinds of updates?

 

 

 

Oh, and I haven't seen where Qeltar wrote that ALL PKers were scum.

 

 

 

I've seen him write that MANY of them were.

 

 

 

But I've never seen him state ALL anywhere.

 

 

 

But I digress, in the spirit of ANDREW himself:

 

 

 

If you hate the ditch, think players that get scammed deserved it, and don't like us making this game safer for new players, LEAVE. Jagex doesn't want you here.

 

 

 

The update WAS heavy handed, Jagex has stated they are going to adjust things, and introduce new content when they can't.

 

 

 

Flooding the forums, spamming, and rioting does not help matters.

 

 

 

And no matter HOW much a player is mad they have NO right to break rules to express their anger. They can act civilized and follow the rules like they agreed to do.

 

 

 

Seeing as all these "players" don't seem to care about breaking the rules when something happens that they don't like, I have no doubt these same players didn't care about breaking the in-game rules before this happened.

[qeltar]

Oh now that is just disgusting and childish.

 

 

 

Amazing selective reading there.. I guess it's not "disgusting or childish" when your pal ego_scorpion calls me "trash" and tries to trot out (false) personal information about me, accuses me of "bribing" people etc?

 

 

 

All his posts are deserving of is ridicule, as far as I'm concerned. The dialectizer is a lot more mild than he deserved after the comments he made.

 

 

Oh, and I haven't seen where Qeltar wrote that ALL PKers were scum.

 

 

 

I've seen him write that MANY of them were.

 

 

 

But I've never seen him state ALL anywhere.

 

 

Correct, and thank you.

 

 

But I digress, in the spirit of ANDREW himself:

 

 

 

If you hate the ditch, think players that get scammed deserved it, and don't like us making this game safer for new players, LEAVE. Jagex doesn't want you here.

 

 

Well said.

 

 

 

Of course, they won't leave. They will hang around and spew bile, because that's the sort of people they are.

[meili]

Oh now that is just disgusting and childish.

 

 

 

Amazing selective reading there.. I guess it's not "disgusting or childish" when your pal ego_scorpion calls me "trash" and tries to trot out (false) personal information about me, accuses me of "bribing" people etc?

 

 

 

Not to hurt anyone's feelings or anything but I don't know him and have never spoken to him in RS. He likes my posts, can I help it if people enjoy my humorous posts? My bond with ego is not less or more than my bond with you as we are all members of the Tip It community.

 

 

 

All his posts are deserving of is ridicule, as far as I'm concerned. The dialectizer is a lot more mild than he deserved after the comments he made.

 

 

 

I would have thought someone like yourself would rise above petty ridicule. I guess you are right in that I did "selectively" read because I do in fact hold you to a higher level since you are the writer of "Truthscape"...guess I was wrong then?

 

 

 

I try not to resort to childish things. If you answer flaming with flames, you cannot criticize other people for it because you do the same.

[firsttsurugi]

Your post is a lot more fun after being put through the dialectizer. Elmer Fudd seems like a good choice...

 

 

Wet me wephase what I said sinse peopwe awe stiww cheewing on, uh-hah-hah-hah.

 

 

 

What kind of cwown says good widdance when peopwe awe basicway being fowced to qiut?

 

 

 

Staking was wemoved stakews qwit

 

Pking wemoved, pkews qwit

 

Mewchanting wemoved, emwchants qwit

 

Twade wemoved, famiwies qwit

 

 

 

Good god, instead of banding togethew to oppose this cwowns awe making thweads suppowting this, who enjoys the gwief of othews?

 

 

 

Gwanted, a wot of them go about it wwong,b ut peopew have the wight to be upset and unhappy.

 

 

 

Its twuewy sad how ignowant peopwe can get

 

 

The kids don't like it when mommy and daddy fight. :lol:

 

 

 

As far as I'm concerned, it's true that a lot of pkers were rather scummy and truly corrupted pking, but there are also many that are "honorable" and don't deserve to lose their means of Rs money-making, but all of this should not be blamed at Jagex, it should all be blamed on the RWTers. People rioting should go to THOSE sights and give them hell.

 

 

 

And you 2, cut the crap! =; :shame: =;

[magekillr]

And still no comment on what Andrew himself said about players that don't like these kinds of updates?

 

 

 

Oh, and I haven't seen where Qeltar wrote that ALL PKers were scum.

 

 

 

I've seen him write that MANY of them were.

 

 

 

But I've never seen him state ALL anywhere.

 

 

 

But I digress, in the spirit of ANDREW himself:

 

 

 

If you hate the ditch, think players that get scammed deserved it, and don't like us making this game safer for new players, LEAVE. Jagex doesn't want you here.

 

 

 

The update WAS heavy handed, Jagex has stated they are going to adjust things, and introduce new content when they can't.

 

 

 

Flooding the forums, spamming, and rioting does not help matters.

 

 

 

And no matter HOW much a player is mad they have NO right to break rules to express their anger. They can act civilized and follow the rules like they agreed to do.

 

 

 

Seeing as all these "players" don't seem to care about breaking the rules when something happens that they don't like, I have no doubt these same players didn't care about breaking the in-game rules before this happened.

 

 

 

but jagex can encourage people to break their own rules? and steal? sure sounds like a great spirited owner we have here.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[ego_scorpion]

Your post is a lot more fun after being put through the dialectizer. Elmer Fudd seems like a good choice...

 

 

Wet me wephase what I said sinse peopwe awe stiww cheewing on, uh-hah-hah-hah.

 

 

 

What kind of cwown says good widdance when peopwe awe basicway being fowced to qiut?

 

 

 

Staking was wemoved stakews qwit

 

Pking wemoved, pkews qwit

 

Mewchanting wemoved, emwchants qwit

 

Twade wemoved, famiwies qwit

 

 

 

Good god, instead of banding togethew to oppose this cwowns awe making thweads suppowting this, who enjoys the gwief of othews?

 

 

 

Gwanted, a wot of them go about it wwong,b ut peopew have the wight to be upset and unhappy.

 

 

 

Its twuewy sad how ignowant peopwe can get

 

 

Is that the best you can do clown? Mock my typing because I type fast and misplace letters with spaces? Well, just proves my point that you are a clown wonna be funny self righteous hipocrite

[remington]

I don't see where Jagex stole anything there.

 

 

 

And Jagex is free to allow customers to do things normally not allowed if they so wish.

 

 

 

It seems they are trying to help you there, but I can say if I got an offensive name ban after I've played since Sep, 2001 with NO black marks I too would just give everything away.

 

 

 

I see nothing wrong with your name. I hope they changed their minds.

[magekillr]

I don't see where Jagex stole anything there.

 

 

 

And Jagex is free to allow customers to do things normally not allowed if they so wish.

 

 

 

It seems they are trying to help you there, but I can say if I got an offensive name ban after I've played since Sep, 2001 with NO black marks I too would just give everything away.

 

 

 

I see nothing wrong with your name. I hope they changed their minds.

 

 

 

318 days left of membership...that's stealing. via paypal...47 days after payment...had it been 44 paypal would be notified

[firsttsurugi]

Well, considering the situation, I think they had a very good reason to allow him to break said rule that one time. I do think it was unfair to ban him for something that made absolutely no sense, but at least they were generous enough to try to work a deal out with him.

[remington]

To be technical Jagex can ban a player and does not need to give any money back.

 

 

 

But to be honest I would still call paypal and ask for a refund. I'd send them the notice Jagex gave you, and your reply. (Unless you can't I don't use paypal, I'd call my credit card company and have it immediately refunded, let Jagex fight for their money back)

 

 

 

There is NOTHING offensive about your name. You've probably angered a few "noobs" and they've done the only thing they could to get back at you.

 

 

 

That would really burn my buns. I'd drop everything, and quit.

[qeltar]

 

I would have thought someone like yourself would rise above petty ridicule.

 

 

I try. I'm no saint, despite what some may set up as a straw man to knock down. And I've really taken far more than my fair share from rather abusive people on this thread (and many others.)

 

 

 

Sorry if I overreacted to your post.