Sly_wizard... may I ask if you have read the development diary that went along with this batch of updates?

 

 

 

If not I would ask you to.... if you have I would like to bring your attention to the section that mentioned that the Farming companies where actually buying membership with stolen credit cards, meaning Jagex where finding them selves in major legal issues, and faced being forced by the credit companies to stop excepting credit payments for membership....

 

 

 

Take that on! based from what i know that was possibly as close as 6 months down the line.... where 60% (educated guess) of members would no longer be able to pay for membership on the game.... now I am sure even if you don't use credit /debit cards to pay this would effect you.

 

 

 

-you probably (I hope) have friends who pay via card who your would lose

 

 

 

-the majority of members would just not resubscribe as they don't trust the other methods as much

 

 

 

-The game would stop being profitable meaning Jagex would have to lay off staff, which would reduce support and updates.

 

 

 

-future games from the company would also not work with the credit problems.

 

 

 

Basically if Jagex did not take drastic action THE GAME WOULD HAVE TO CLOSE... cheating effects everybody... directly or indirectly if hurts us all

Your right combat level system was messed up. 40attck and 99str is only level like 55. Thats why ppl wtarted making pures. Also mages always beat warriors at lower elvel like under 50 and rangers beat warriors cuz 99range and 40def beats 40attck 40def 99str in lower combat levl

Sly Wizard isn't jealous of me.

 

 

 

Please. Jagex likes reading what I have to say. They told me as such >_>

 

 

 

He is completely amoral and doesn't care about anything bad that happens to anyone in the game as long as it's not him. He's said as much.

 

 

 

Actually, I'm not amoral. I'm immoral :lol: And, furthermore, I care for about a lot of people. They just don't happen to be you :lol:

 

 

 

He opposes every change Jagex makes to stop scamming because he thinks people who get scammed "deserve it".

 

 

 

That's not completely true. I did like the fact that Jagex made the leaf-bladed spear untradeable. However, luring is a whole 'nother story. As far as I'm concerned, anyone who was dumb enough to ignore the gigantic pop-up warning you get when standing near the wilderness and trade there anyone was a moron and deserved to be lured. Betcha' they wouldn't make the same mistake twise.

 

 

 

He opposes every change Jagex makes to stop luring for the same reason. He said that there was nothing wrong with luring, and that if someone was too young or inexperienced to detect it and lost millions, that this was "good for them".

 

 

 

It was called "Read the warning sign". It worked for six years. No remorse for those who can't be bothered reading a warning sign. And, funnily enough, I even predicted that luring would live on after the wilderness ditch and, sure enough, it did. Go figure...!

 

 

 

*Pats himself on the back*

 

 

 

Incredibly, he was even one of the ONLY people I saw complain when Jagex changed the filters so you couldn't say your own password. In his view, having a young player get tricked into saying his password, having his account get cleaned out and then the player quit in frustration would be "not a bad thing. Runescape can only be as smart as it's dumbest player."

 

 

 

That's a direct quote. I have the thread saved.

 

 

 

Yeah. I remember that! Runescape is only as smart as it's dumbest player. You can't fix stupid.

 

 

 

Bad rubbish, headed for the curb.

 

 

 

Uh-huh... Well, if you're done trying to make me out to be some godless sociopath, I've got to ask you if you're sooo much better than I why you seem to get banned a heck of a lot more than I do from the RSOF? >_>

this doesnt make runescape a better community with less idiots

 

 

 

it makes it a community of people who are too stupid to do things for themselves

 

 

 

I don't understand what you mean. Do you mean before the updates people looked for the easiest way of getting stuff(i.e:not resource gathering)?

If you don't see ANY negative aspect of cheating why don't you cheat? this time the you means you.

 

 

 

Waste of money better spent elsewhere (Like food. Or clothes. Or rent. Or car payments).

First off, I'd like to say this was another very well written article by Qeltar. I agree on most points, though i disagree on some. As you might guess from my RSN, I am mainly using a pure account. BUT, unlike many geralizations, I make most of my money outside of pking. Say I do some treasure trails, I now have money to fund further stat building and have additional resources for pking supplies. For awhile now, I've been saving up for logs for 99 firemaking. I finally have the money for it with the drop of maple prices in the G.E. But enough of my story - on to the post.

 

 

 

I agree on most parts with pkers. I feel most are immature, and very rude. But not all are like that. Personally, I know many friends of mine who generously give out items every month or so when they can spare it. Many times I've been to drop parties and celebrations with my tight knit group. But when Jagex drops a bomb on our group like that, I feel a little upset with Jagex. Note : I do not attend the riots and such, but I'm not saying I don't want the old wilderness back like those players.

 

 

 

I believe in civil reasoning. I sent a query as to where I could post sugguestions, since the Rants forum has been overspammed for the last few days. Kindly, I got a response from Mod James, and I posted some of my sugguestions. The one problem I have with Bounty Hunter is the mass of rogues. My group and I are currently in the early 60s and late 50s. EVERY TIME we go into bounty hunter looking for our targets, we get jumped by teams of higher, more defended players. It frustrates us, and IF we ever find our targets, they are usually much higher than we are.

 

 

 

All I really have to propose is a 60 - 80 bracket. That's all I'm asking for. Otherwise, very good ideas and execution, Jagex. I have to tip my hat to you if this all works out. So, in conclusion - very good job, Qeltar, and hope to hear more soon. (I'm joining Truthscape.)

God, its just a game. :wall: Oh well. :P :mrgreen: :lol: :D

Sly Wizard isn't jealous of me.

 

Actually, I'm not amoral. I'm immoral

 

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You can't fix stupid.

 

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Well, if you're done trying to make me out to be some godless sociopath

 

 

I really can't take credit for that, seeing as you are doing it all by yourself.

 

 

 

Enjoy your new home.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Actually, I'm not amoral. I'm immoral :lol: And, furthermore, I care for about a lot of people. They just don't happen to be you :lol:

 

 

 

 

 

 

You're immoral?

 

 

 

I disagree with your view on luring. A new player, having played 10 days meets a 'friend' said friend talks with them for a bit and then suggests they go north to the wilderness to see some cool stuff or some such, then proceeds to kill the new player. How is that the new players fault? How do they deserve it? Ignorance does not equal stupidity. We were all ignorant of something at some point in our lives. Even if an experienced player gets lured we shouldn't pour scorn on them, in real life would you mock someone for being mugged in a dangerous area even if they knew it was dangerous?

Sly_wizard... may I ask if you have read the development diary that went along with this batch of updates?

 

 

 

If not I would ask you to.... if you have I would like to bring your attention to the section that mentioned that the Farming companies where actually buying membership with stolen credit cards, meaning Jagex where finding them selves in major legal issues, and faced being forced by the credit companies to stop excepting credit payments for membership....

 

 

 

I've read that before and it's one of the most shadiest excuses in the history of mankind. The problem, though, is that I can't prove it. Basically, Jagex is the only one with this information. However, I take it with a passing grain of sand as, if that were true, then there are preventative measures that Jagex could easily take to protect themselves against credit card fraud. For a bunch of businessmen/women, they sure don't seem to think like it, I've gotta' say.

Holy [cabbage] Qeltar made a post that I can't argue with, maybe it was because he didn't mention communism. The only negative thing I have about this update is that no longer will I be able to craft while breaking even. The set prices of dragonhide and green d'bodies will make me always lose money per raw material turnover.

You're immoral?

 

 

 

Naw, but Qeltar thinks I am.

 

 

 

I disagree with your view on luring. A new player, having played 10 days meets a 'friend' said friend talks with them for a bit and then suggests they go north to the wilderness to see some cool stuff or some such, then proceeds to kill the new player. How is that the new players fault? How do they deserve it? Ignorance does not equal stupidity. We were all ignorant of something at some point in our lives. Even if an experienced player gets lured we shouldn't pour scorn on them, in real life would you mock someone for being mugged in a dangerous area even if they knew it was dangerous?

 

 

 

Even though this is a tangent...

 

 

 

No one was going to try to lure someone who'd been playing for only ten days. The probably would have gotten steel, maybe black, armor and some junk at most. Most lure victims absolutely knew better and were, for the most part, mid-higher to higher levels. But the fact that someone offered them a deal which seemed too good to be true overrided their common sense (Not to mention they ignored the blatant warning signs).

 

 

 

*Shrugs*

 

 

 

No remorse for the willfully ignorant.

 

 

 

I really can't take credit for that, seeing as you are doing it all by yourself.

 

 

 

Enjoy your new home.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Is this really the best you can do. Come now, Qeltar, I know you can do better than that. And you never answered my question, so I'll ask again... If you're so much better than I, then why do you get banned so much more often than I do from the RSOF (And don't gimme' this stuff about you being on Jagex's wrong side, either)? >_>

You're immoral?

 

 

 

Naw, but Qeltar thinks I am.

 

 

 

I disagree with your view on luring. A new player, having played 10 days meets a 'friend' said friend talks with them for a bit and then suggests they go north to the wilderness to see some cool stuff or some such, then proceeds to kill the new player. How is that the new players fault? How do they deserve it? Ignorance does not equal stupidity. We were all ignorant of something at some point in our lives. Even if an experienced player gets lured we shouldn't pour scorn on them, in real life would you mock someone for being mugged in a dangerous area even if they knew it was dangerous?

 

 

 

Even though this is a tangent...

 

 

 

No one was going to try to lure someone who'd been playing for only ten days. The probably would have gotten steel, maybe black, armor and some junk at most. Most lure victims absolutely knew better and were, for the most part, mid-higher to higher levels. But the fact that someone offered them a deal which seemed too good to be true overrided their common sense (Not to mention they ignored the blatant warning signs).

 

 

 

*Shrugs*

 

 

 

No remorse for the willfully ignorant.

 

 

 

I'd been playing maybe a month when someone tried to lure me, i had some mith stuff and only really knew varrock and lumbridge. A couple of days before I'd gone into the wildy because I was exploring and had been killed so I knew of the risk, I didn't go, but maybe I would have if it weren't for my previous trip and I've seen low level players being lured (well seen them being propositioned).Just saying it happens

 

 

 

Even if someone is being greedy we're talking about young children here (13 year olds aren't anywhere near as well equipped as say 16 year olds to deal with things like this), I think if you're going to make a game like this you might as well make one where things like luring can't happen. I really can't see any negatives about the wilderness ditch, I think it was a good idea and well implemented.

 

 

 

I've read that before and it's one of the most shadiest excuses in the history of mankind. The problem, though, is that I can't prove it. Basically, Jagex is the only one with this information. However, I take it with a passing grain of sand as, if that were true, then there are preventative measures that Jagex could easily take to protect themselves against credit card fraud. For a bunch of businessmen/women, they sure don't seem to think like it, I've gotta' say.

 

 

 

 

A chargeback fee, often up to $35, is charged per incident to the merchant, that is not refundable regardless of the outcome of the dispute. There's many reasons why RWT is bad for RuneScape, JaGeX named a few and skimmed through many. If one chooses to see only that one, at least realize that it is a big issue.

 

 

 

Nothing livens up a thread like an opposing point of view (regardless of merit), it gets boring when that's left to do is pat OP on the back.

Sly Wizard isn't jealous of me. To understand him, simply look at the title of the thread.

 

Who would possibly be jealous of you?

 

 

 

He is the sort of person Jagex is trying to clean out of the game. He is completely amoral and doesn't care about anything bad that happens to anyone in the game as long as it's not him. He's said as much.

 

 

More stereotyping, generalising, blame throwing and being self righteous. Who are you to judge who should be here or not? Why do you think after all your posts nobody ever offered you to be a mod, pmod, forum mod, any mod?

 

 

 

Its obvious how biased you are, stereotyping and condeming ABSOLUTELY EVEYRTHING.

 

 

 

Before you make a [developmentally delayed]ed remark about me quitting, I already canceled and im quitting, but before I quit ill throw osme more effort into showing everyone just what kind of piece of trash you really are.

 

 

 

As for you being 50, you clearly posted that you finished some ofrm of economical nonsense in 70's - 80's so unless you did that when you were 5 or unless you lied, you would be over 50.

 

 

 

A grown man that takes the game too serious and preaches to everyone about being good and lceaning the bad, while himself being no better than the people he condemns.

 

 

 

Only difference is myself or sly dont bribe few friends to defend us on forums.

 

 

 

Yes, thats true, for those that dont know, qeltar asks people to defend him in threads to make himself look better, he does that on RSoF as well.

 

 

 

He opposes every change Jagex makes to stop scamming because he thinks people who get scammed "deserve it".

 

 

So do I. There is so may mechanisms in place to stop people from being scammed, so why do people get scammed? Because most of htem look for ways to profit quickly w/o putting any effort into it and get scammed by others who are doing same thing.

 

 

 

Also, to prove just how full of [cabbage] you are, when you use the word EVERY why dont you offer solid proof to him complaining about every update as of 2004 when he joined? More of your hypocritical [cabbage]

 

 

 

He opposes every change Jagex makes to stop luring for the same reason. He said that there was nothing wrong with luring, and that if someone was too young or inexperienced to detect it and lost millions, that this was "good for them".

 

People learn from their mistakes, not everyone has to wear a special helmet like you. If someone is too stupid they will learn from their mistakes, or wear helmet rest of their life.

 

 

 

Incredibly, he was even one of the ONLY people I saw complain when Jagex changed the filters so you couldn't say your own password. In his view, having a young player get tricked into saying his password, having his account get cleaned out and then the player quit in frustration would be "not a bad thing. Runescape can only be as smart as it's dumbest player."

 

 

 

That's a direct quote. I have the thread saved.

 

 

 

Bad rubbish, headed for the curb.

 

 

 

Enjoy your singleplayer clickscape. Yup, runescape is not PK, Stake, Merchant free. Now only hard working skillers such as yourself will be able to exist and flourish in the game, while most of the talented players who made runescape what it was will now move on to other games.

 

 

 

Look on brightside, your site on which you ask your supporters to defend you in threads will now become more popular with the new crwod of braindead clueless zombies that are protected from everything.

This whole topic stinks.

 

 

 

 

 

We have a beautiful provoking and interesting article posted in the first post. But from there it is slowly going downhill.

 

 

 

 

 

You guys disgust me. The article is a perfect start and the kind of topics we want to see on Tip.it to spur intelligent discussion that leads to knowledge. Yet you ruin it. It's clear that many people in here is not mature enough for debating, therefore they need topics like "whats your first RS flower?", "Is the ring of wealth working? srisly!" and "Ohh lol lets lol at newbs tbh".

 

 

 

Congratulations.

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Sly Wizard isn't jealous of me. To understand him, simply look at the title of the thread.

 

Who would possibly be jealous of you?

 

 

 

He is the sort of person Jagex is trying to clean out of the game. He is completely amoral and doesn't care about anything bad that happens to anyone in the game as long as it's not him. He's said as much.

 

 

More stereotyping, generalising, blame throwing and being self righteous. Who are you to judge who should be here or not? Why do you think after all your posts nobody ever offered you to be a mod, pmod, forum mod, any mod?

 

 

 

Its obvious how biased you are, stereotyping and condeming ABSOLUTELY EVEYRTHING.

 

 

 

Before you make a [developmentally delayed] remark about me quitting, I already canceled and im quitting, but before I quit ill throw osme more effort into showing everyone just what kind of piece of trash you really are.

 

 

 

As for you being 50, you clearly posted that you finished some ofrm of economical nonsense in 70's - 80's so unless you did that when you were 5 or unless you lied, you would be over 50.

 

 

 

A grown man that takes the game too serious and preaches to everyone about being good and lceaning the bad, while himself being no better than the people he condemns.

 

 

 

Only difference is myself or sly dont bribe few friends to defend us on forums.

 

 

 

Yes, thats true, for those that dont know, qeltar asks people to defend him in threads to make himself look better, he does that on RSoF as well.

 

 

 

He opposes every change Jagex makes to stop scamming because he thinks people who get scammed "deserve it".

 

 

So do I. There is so may mechanisms in place to stop people from being scammed, so why do people get scammed? Because most of htem look for ways to profit quickly w/o putting any effort into it and get scammed by others who are doing same thing.

 

 

 

Also, to prove just how full of [cabbage] you are, when you use the word EVERY why dont you offer solid proof to him complaining about every update as of 2004 when he joined? More of your hypocritical [cabbage]

 

 

 

He opposes every change Jagex makes to stop luring for the same reason. He said that there was nothing wrong with luring, and that if someone was too young or inexperienced to detect it and lost millions, that this was "good for them".

 

People learn from their mistakes, not everyone has to wear a special helmet like you. If someone is too stupid they will learn from their mistakes, or wear helmet rest of their life.

 

 

 

Incredibly, he was even one of the ONLY people I saw complain when Jagex changed the filters so you couldn't say your own password. In his view, having a young player get tricked into saying his password, having his account get cleaned out and then the player quit in frustration would be "not a bad thing. Runescape can only be as smart as it's dumbest player."

 

 

 

That's a direct quote. I have the thread saved.

 

 

 

Bad rubbish, headed for the curb.

 

 

 

Enjoy your singleplayer clickscape. Yup, runescape is not PK, Stake, Merchant free. Now only hard working skillers such as yourself will be able to exist and flourish in the game, while most of the talented players who made runescape what it was will now move on to other games.

 

 

 

Look on brightside, your site on which you ask your supporters to defend you in threads will now become more popular with the new crwod of braindead clueless zombies that are protected from everything.

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What is a talented player? A PKer, Merchant, Boss killer, 99 Slayer, Dueler?

 

 

 

Its all gotten rally childish now, you're just ranting at each other (Qeltar,ego_scorpion and Sly_Wizard). Sometimes a good point is brought up somewhere in the rant but its mostly just yelling abuse at each other. This thread will probably get locked if you keep doing it.

 

 

 

Just make a point and leave the insults out of it cause this is a good topic to discuss.

berbatovsky, heres a good NONE BIASED point.

 

 

 

Countless people are quitting. Merchants, Stakers, PKers a side, even more people are quitting over the trade change. They are not as vocal as PKers, but there is more of them.

 

 

 

This clown is gloating over all these people quitting thinking he somehow achieved a personal victory. Ironic, seing how he was one day writing false previous about GE, next day whining on RSoF about how price contorl is bad, and now siding with Jagex pretty much in a sense that bad players are going to be gone, completely neglecting all the good people that are quitting.

 

 

 

How is that point for you?

Great article, qeltar.

"More stereotyping, generalising, blame throwing and being self righteous. Who are you to judge who should be here or not? Why do you think after all your posts nobody ever offered you to be a mod, pmod, forum mod, any mod?"

 

 

 

One of the CREATORS of Jagex said almost EXACTLY what Qeltar said in a news post.

 

 

 

Basically if you were the kind of player that felt the victims of fraud deserved it, and that Jagex shouldn't do all they could to stop these scams he stated he DID NOT WANT YOU TO BE PLAYING RUNESCAPE.

 

 

 

I wish I knew which post it was, I'm gonna look around right now. But I'm sure there's others that read it.

 

 

 

Oh, and I dislike pures as well. On principal, NOT because I got "owned". I'm lvl 124, if and when I went into the wild PJers, and their like bothered me, pures didn't.

 

 

 

I dislike pures simply because they are an ADMITTED exploit of the combat system. And I dislike ANYONE that abuses exploits.

 

Nothing livens up a thread like an opposing point of view (regardless of merit), it gets boring when that's left to do is pat OP on the back.

 

 

 

I suppose.

 

 

 

On the other hand, "posting meritless opposing points of view to 'liven up' a thread" is practically the *definition* of trolling, is it not? ;)

berbatovsky, heres a good NONE BIASED point.

 

 

 

Countless people are quitting. Merchants, Stakers, PKers a side, even more people are quitting over the trade change. They are not as vocal as PKers, but there is more of them.

 

 

 

This clown is gloating over all these people quitting thinking he somehow achieved a personal victory. Ironic, seing how he was one day writing false previous about GE, next day whining on RSoF about how price contorl is bad, and now siding with Jagex pretty much in a sense that bad players are going to be gone, completely neglecting all the good people that are quitting.

 

 

 

How is that point for you?

 

 

 

Maybe you should read the article that he links to at the top?

 

 

 

The one where he states that he doesn't LIKE the price controls maybe?

 

 

 

The last article was one opinion, now THIS one is attempted to try and show what GOOD came of it.

 

 

 

He states that MANY good players are quitting because of this, did you miss that part?

 

 

 

But he and ANYONE else should be happy that RWT and their bots are now GONE.

 

 

 

He and anyone else should be happy that it's now impossible for players to trade items from one account to another in an effort to make training the new account easier.

 

 

 

Because obviously none of the posters here would EVER make a pure, and cheat to level it up. Therefore you must be glad that no one ELSE can now either.

 

One of the CREATORS of Jagex said almost EXACTLY what Qeltar said in a news post.

 

 

 

Basically if you were the kind of player that felt the victims of fraud deserved it, and that Jagex shouldn't do all they could to stop these scams he stated he DID NOT WANT YOU TO BE PLAYING RUNESCAPE.

 

 

Yep.

 

 

I wish I knew which post it was, I'm gonna look around right now. But I'm sure there's others that read it.

 

 

I can help you with that. I have it saved.

 

 

 

And it's very relevant to this thread, because the same issues apply. You could almost summarize his words as "good riddance to bad rubbish". ;)

 

 

 

 

Edit By Andrew: I'm going to hijack this thread to explain a bit more reasoning about this:

 

 

 

Basically the key point is the bit at the top of rule 2 which states "Lying to other players for your own personal gain is not in the spirit of the game."

 

 

 

Obviously killing people in the wilderness is all part of the game and IS allowed. That IS all part of the game, and is a risk you take when you enter that area.

 

 

 

It's the lieing to people to take advantage of them that we think is a bit not on. Therefore PKers absolutely do NOT need to worry about this changes. The only people who need to worry are those who are deliberately deceptively tempting people into the wilderness under false pretenses, which is a very different thing.

 

 

 

The whole idea of the wilderness is it's a more dangerous place, it's more risky, but at the same time (hopefully) more exciting as a result. But the idea all along was the people going there know the risks, and it's a risk they willingly choose to take. Obviously luring goes against all that.

 

 

 

To the people saying "the world is a hard place, people should get over it". Yes I agree the world IS a hard place, but that's no reason to make it even worse! Just because lots of nasty things happen is no reason to go and do even more nasty things! That's a terrible attitude. It's still worth TRYING to make it a nicer place.

 

 

 

To the people saying this is all just making RuneScape "just for kids". I say what a load of nonsense! RuneScape is not targetted just at kids and never has been. In actually fact the people here working on RuneScape are all avid gamers, and basically our aim has always been to make the game we ourselves would want to play, and to make what we see as the best possible game. (I.e our target audience is essentially ourselves, and people like us. Obviously everyone working here is over 18). Of course we do have a lot of younger players, particularly because the game can be played for free, and we recognize that we have a certain responsibility with regards to safety, which is why we take that so very seriously. BUT from an actual in-game gameplay point of view the difficult of the puzzles, the complexity of the plots, etc... is all very targetted at people like ourselves. We have a whole variety of different types of gamers here, and so we're trying to make something which appeals to everyone. There are no plans to change that.

 

 

 

What I really think is mad is how when we take steps to improve the quality of our community (for example by kicking our the bad players), some people claim that is "catering to kids"! Eh?! By saying that you are implying you think that adults don't mind nasty deceitful players who lie for their own personal gain, but kids do! Eh!? This has absolutely nothing to do with "catering to kids" and everything to do with simply making RuneScape a nicer place to be for everyone.

 

 

 

To the people who say this ruins the game - stop being so pathetic. If the only way you can enjoy yourself is by taking advantage of others, then you aren't welcome here. Go play a different game, and everyone else can enjoy an improved community.

 

Thank you.

 

 

 

I may have left your site. But I still agree with you most of the time.

 

 

 

While this update is a bit overbearing, there's nothing truely "evil" about it.

 

Nothing livens up a thread like an opposing point of view (regardless of merit), it gets boring when that's left to do is pat OP on the back.

 

 

 

I suppose.

 

 

 

On the other hand, "posting meritless opposing points of view to 'liven up' a thread" is practically the *definition* of trolling, is it not? ;)

 

 

 

Opposing views is excellent.

 

 

 

Personal trashing and mindless discussion is not. This topic contains most of the last two. And now I'm probably just fueling it more by posting this. Yet I post. Knowing that it is just more spam adding.

 

 

 

Look this "discussion" is even making me do highly illogical things. Great