Finally some punishment :o

[Blingkachi50]

 

You DO realize that didn't make any sense or prove anything...

 

 

 

I could easily say the same to you.

 

 

 

I'll summarize my views into just this: People > Animals. Period. If a man wants to kill something, as long as it's not human, he should be able to.

 

 

 

I think a man has much more right to kill a random person then a random animal.

[Kill_Thomas9]

Lol @ the dog.

 

 

 

Sure it died, but I doubt it would have felt much pain. It woulda been dead before it could hurt too much.

[Lenin64]

Lol @ the dog.

 

 

 

Sure it died, but I doubt it would have felt much pain.

 

Especially since it was fake :P

[tryto]

 

You DO realize that didn't make any sense or prove anything...

 

 

 

I could easily say the same to you.

 

 

 

I'll summarize my views into just this: People > Animals. Period. If a man wants to kill something, as long as it's not human, he should be able to.

 

 

 

I think a man has much more right to kill a random person then a random animal.

 

 

 

What about, say, a spider? I'm willing to bet nearly every person on this earth would prefer to kill a spider than a dog, and would rather kill, say a rat than a cat. To me, this stinks of hypocrisy, and the fact that people care more about killing a "cute" animal than another one. That's why, I agree, that people > animals.

[Denismage]

Lol @ the dog.

 

 

 

Sure it died, but I doubt it would have felt much pain. It woulda been dead before it could hurt too much.

 

 

 

Fake or not, if it was really thrown off the cliff, I don't think it would die as painlessly as you think it would. It's not being instantly evaporated, but thrown on a solid ground.

[venomai]

Nobody gives a damn about the thousands of innocent Iraqis that are killed by coalition forces. But the moment somebody kills a cute little puppy -- boy, does the [cabbage] hit the fan!

 

 

 

This whole ordeal stinks of hypocrisy.

[Denismage]

Nobody gives a damn about the thousands of innocent Iraqis that are killed by coalition forces. But the moment somebody kills a cute little puppy -- boy, does the [cabbage] hit the fan!

 

 

 

This whole ordeal stinks of hypocrisy.

 

 

 

When [cabbage] hits the fan, get a tent.

[meol]

Nobody gives a damn about the thousands of innocent Iraqis that are killed by coalition forces. But the moment somebody kills a cute little puppy -- boy, does the [cabbage] hit the fan!

 

 

 

This whole ordeal stinks of hypocrisy.

 

If you put it that way, it does sound hypocritical. However, you must also take into account the reasons of the people behind the acts, and not just the act itself.

 

While I do not support the war at all, the ideals behind it are still liberty, freedom, and the US's domestic security. All of these based on moral norms.

 

What's the idea behind throwing a (fake/real) puppy off a cliff? If it's real, harming another being for the sake of feeling superior/being mean (whereas you'd kill a rat for your own safety), or if it's a fake shot, simply shocking other people.

 

 

 

In this case people get more affected seeing the "cute" animal suffer because that means that the pain (death) had no good purpose behind it, but just the plain evilness of the act.

[Lenticular_J]

Well, If I was in Iraq I'd want t6o throw things off cliffs too.....

 

 

 

Either way, I thought the video was funny and Animal Rights activists can go screw themselves. Why do animals deserve rights? They don't help society besides providing protein.

 

Can the mods look away for a second for what I want to say to you..

 

Since when do you care about a living thing?

 

 

 

You do know that puppy probably had rabies, right? Even if it was real. And it surely would have starved to death or been beaten to death later on. Seriously. Not that big of a deal, people do worse things here. Maybe animal rights activists should bust down the door of every person who has ever hurt an animal in any way, shape, or form.

 

 

 

 

You DO realize that didn't make any sense or prove anything...

 

 

 

I could easily say the same to you.

 

 

 

I'll summarize my views into just this: People > Animals. Period. If a man wants to kill something, as long as it's not human, he should be able to.

 

 

 

I think a man has much more right to kill a random person then a random animal.

 

How does that make since, Bling? I don't agree with just killing animals when you get bored, but it's a lot different to kill a person.

[venomai]

While I do not support the war at all, the ideals behind it are still liberty, freedom, and the US's domestic security. All of these based on moral norms.

 

The Coalition have killed, raped and beaten countless innocent civilians. It would be idealistic to think it's all done in the name of liberty and freedom (whatever the hell that means).

 

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBoYaeCsuWc

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtAqOhZ3gF4

[Kriegsmier]

Dogs + Service people, It happens more then most people know over there, as unfortunate as it is. But i refuse to go into that publically.

 

 

 

I agree with the Marine Corps, glad it was dealt with. Getting a Dishonorable and being seperated from the organization you dedicated your life to will hurt anyone in that situation. It just sucks for the rest of us, a black eye for the Corps.

[Abyssalwhip]

Nobody gives a damn about the thousands of innocent Iraqis that are killed by coalition forces. But the moment somebody kills a cute little puppy -- boy, does the [cabbage] hit the fan!

 

 

 

This whole ordeal stinks of hypocrisy.

 

[garden tool] [garden tool] [garden tool] [garden tool] [garden tool], we're not the ones making our kids into suicide bombers.

[InkofDeath]

If the dog was fake, why are the military investigating it? And the sound may have been stationary from the mountains echoing it, since it's in such an area.

[Beaumonde]

It would be nice if the news had confirmed one way or another whether a real dog was actualy thrown off the cliff or if they faked it. If it was real...I consider crualty to animals to be in many ways worse than cruelty to other human (in most, not all cases). The reason is that the animal has no defense, and it can't seek out help. A human on the other hand in many cases can seek help of some sort. Now, if there tuly is no help available then obiously its different, and in the case of torture during interogation, I actualy really don't have any qualms with it as long as it is only used as absolutly nessasary against people you can be sure actualy have the information you need. I am also a fan of phycological torture for major crimes such as first degree (pre meditated) murder (also child abuse and pedophilia). By phcological torure I am reffering to the (chinese?) water drip, sensory depravation (no light, no sound, such as the isolation used by prisins as internal punishment), and any other such methods.

 

 

 

To end the conversation about fake or not the soldier confirms that it was a puppy he took from a stray dog.

[venomai]

Nobody gives a damn about the thousands of innocent Iraqis that are killed by coalition forces. But the moment somebody kills a cute little puppy -- boy, does the [cabbage] hit the fan!

 

 

 

This whole ordeal stinks of hypocrisy.

 

[garden tool] [garden tool] [garden tool] [garden tool] [garden tool], we're not the ones making our kids into suicide bombers.

 

And you think all Iraqi civilians are?

 

Please... :roll:

[jackattack]

No, That would The saudis.

[warren211]

Grr. this thread is becoming an animal rights thread like the thread on fur. *note to self: never bring up animals in OT discussions*

 

 

 

Animal rights aside, we all know that whether the puppy was real or fake or had diplomatic rights or the right to a life or whatever crap animal rights activists vs. "mother nature my foot" activists throw at eachother, it still makes american soldiers look bad. animal torture is for twisted little kids with no friends who have nothing better to do than kill things. We all know the youtube community. whenever a video featuring controversial material or stupidity surfaces, the first thing many users respond is to generalize about the country in which the video takes place. Russian man goes mad in his office? "stupid russians". US troop throws puppy off cliff? "heartless american bastards". british woman parks car oddly? "[wagon] brits". You get my idea.

 

 

 

if a soldier makes himself look like a fool, the whole armed forces looks foolish. if the armed forces, which defends our nation, looks foolish; then our nation itself looks foolish. This guy was giving us a bad name, regardless of the puppy's rights. The last thing we need is "if they did that to a puppy, what will they do to Iraqi people?" crap. This guy deserved punishment.

[meol]

While I do not support the war at all, the ideals behind it are still liberty, freedom, and the US's domestic security. All of these based on moral norms.

 

The Coalition have killed, raped and beaten countless innocent civilians. It would be idealistic to think it's all done in the name of liberty and freedom (whatever the hell that means).

 

Yes, I know that the actions of some specific soldiers might have been wrong (and again, I do not condone the Iraqi War), but we are talking about the ideals behind a general course of action, so you shouldn't give an argument based on exceptions. (and yes, these soldiers should get punished as well)

 

 

 

I'm not defending the soldiers that rape and kill civilians, I'm just trying to stablish the difference between soldiers killing people in a War, and a soldier throwing a (maybe fake) puppy off a cliff. The difference lies in the purpose of the action.

[venomai]

Yes, I know that the actions of some specific soldiers might have been wrong (and again, I do not condone the Iraqi War), but we are talking about the ideals behind a general course of action, so you shouldn't give an argument based on exceptions. (and yes, these soldiers should get punished as well)

 

Throwing a puppy off a cliff is an exception; it's the action of a specific soldier.

 

 

 

I'm not sure what your point is... :?

[Lenticular_J]

Nobody gives a damn about the thousands of innocent Iraqis that are killed by coalition forces. But the moment somebody kills a cute little puppy -- boy, does the [cabbage] hit the fan!

 

 

 

This whole ordeal stinks of hypocrisy.

 

[garden tool] [garden tool] [garden tool] [garden tool] [garden tool], we're not the ones making our kids into suicide bombers.

 

And you think all Iraqi civilians are?

 

Please... :roll:

 

 

 

And you think every Coalition Soldier goes out to rape and beat every single person they see?

 

As you say, "Please... :roll: "

[venomai]

And you think every Coalition Soldier goes out to rape and beat every single person they see?

 

Show me where I said that.

[DaN]

Throw his [wagon] off the cliff and see how he likes it. I guarantee he won't do it again.

 

 

 

Lol course he won't do it again cause most likely he would be dead.

 

 

 

 

 

That's what I like about the death penatly,

 

It works!

[Cup Lion]

Throw his [wagon] off the cliff and see how he likes it. I guarantee he won't do it again.

 

 

 

Lol course he won't do it again cause most likely he would be dead.

 

 

 

 

 

That's what I like about the death penatly,

 

It works!

 

Kind of off topic, but dealing with the death penalty, it may kill the person, but in many circumstances, that person might not be guilty. It works, sometimes.

[PennState4lyfe]

Well, If I was in Iraq I'd want to throw things off cliffs too.....

 

 

 

Either way, I thought the video was funny and Animal Rights activists can go screw themselves. Why do animals deserve rights? They don't help society besides providing protein.

 

 

 

 

 

I love you. Animals don't deserve rights. This is just like that KFC thread. A puppy being thrown off a cliff is stupid, but I honestly don't understand people beating the war drum about it. It's nothing different than a dog being put down at the pound.

[DaN]

Well, If I was in Iraq I'd want to throw things off cliffs too.....

 

 

 

Either way, I thought the video was funny and Animal Rights activists can go screw themselves. Why do animals deserve rights? They don't help society besides providing protein.

 

 

 

 

 

I love you. Animals don't deserve rights. This is just like that KFC thread. A puppy being thrown off a cliff is stupid, but I honestly don't understand people beating the war drum about it. It's nothing different than a dog being put down at the pound.

 

 

 

You are joking arn't you?