Summoning looked down upon?

[Seraphi]

it shouldn't be, but is, summoning is just as respectable as prayer.

 

some people are just stupid.

[MicroLegionnaire]

it shouldn't be, but is, summoning is just as respectable as prayer.

 

some people are just stupid.

 

 

 

Amen brother, some people are just angry that the three digit combat club just got a lot less exclusive with Summoning.

[Range_This11]

it shouldn't be, but is, summoning is just as respectable as prayer.

 

some people are just stupid.

 

 

 

Amen brother, some people are just angry that the three digit combat club just got a lot less exclusive with Summoning.

 

That's true. People with 80 and lower melee skills are in the 100+ group. Ridiculous.

[Outsanity]

Irish_Geek is right Highlanders. At this point you've shown so much sarcasm, immaturity and narrowminded-ness that no one is going to take you seriously now.

 

 

 

If you're not going to listen to what I have to say, listen to the others. There's now like 5 people on this thread who highly disagree with you and give good solid arguments as to why you are wrong. Listen to those people at least if you don't want to listen to me, the overlord. Which, thanks for that by the way. I might use that as name's prefix now. Has a ring, doesn't it? Overlord Outsanity.

 

 

 

Yep. That's a keeper.

[MicroLegionnaire]

it shouldn't be, but is, summoning is just as respectable as prayer.

 

some people are just stupid.

 

 

 

Amen brother, some people are just angry that the three digit combat club just got a lot less exclusive with Summoning.

 

That's true. People with 80 and lower melee skills are in the 100+ group. Ridiculous.

 

 

 

I'm afraid I'm going to disappoint you, I'll all set to join that group... :(

[nightzero]

lol after reading all the replies it seems like i just met a random noob :D.

 

But really so far the only familiar ive used that much is my terrorbird and im lvl 55 summoning.

[Chapp3rs]

it shouldn't be, but is, summoning is just as respectable as prayer.

 

some people are just stupid.

 

 

 

Amen brother, some people are just angry that the three digit combat club just got a lot less exclusive with Summoning.

 

That's true. People with 80 and lower melee skills are in the 100+ group. Ridiculous.

 

 

 

i did that before summoning ;)

[Julius Casar]

Yeah I think summoning is looked down upon, maybe just cus people are too lazy to train it. IMO if people have a high combat (including summoning) they've deserved it - theyve bothered training summoning, they deserve the levels. Summoning is very useful too, I really want 68 for the bunyip.

[Junkmutt]

I think that it is looked down. But it really should be the opposite. I've seen a lvl 34 with a Spirit Kyatt out, how would you like to be maxed by a Spirit Kyatt in duel arena at only lvl 34 or even 50? It is also very profitable and efficient (BoB anyone?).

[Aneron]

Lol....so tell me, do prayer levels count? They are not my OWN strength. They are the God's strength being bestowed upon me!

 

Wow! Roleplay as argument. I give up!

 

 

 

The experience a familiar gets GOES TO YOU. It is YOUR experience, and the damage the familiar does counts as YOUR damage. Your familiar doesn't get the drop if it deals more damage than you to a monster, does it? No. So then why would you consider a familiar to not be part of your combat?

 

Obviously me and my familiar live in the same body permanently. I don't know where people get that "pouch" idea from :?:

 

 

 

 

Oh, and furthermore, a familiar does not have to fight for it to be effective in battle. Healing familiars heal you, which is VERY much a part of combat, but not on the offensive. Steel and Iron Titans add 15% and 10% defense bonus to you, respectively. And furthermore, what about the familiars that eat at your opponent's food, or unequip their shields and weapons, or drain their prayer, or poison or cure you of poison? Are those not combat related skills?

 

 

 

Just because you're not hacking away at something with your familiar does not mean you are not using it for combat. Your idea of combat is simple minded and I laugh at you because you honestly don't realize there's more to combat than offense.

 

This skill is NOT meant to be solely an offensive skill. Yes, it can be offensive, some familiars (Like the Steel Titan) can one hit most average player. But by no means does that mean that is all Summoning is good for.

 

Oh wow, reading that I just realized that my idea of combat is simple minded and that I honestly dont realize theres more to combat than offence! Omg, I just noticed theres a defence level in melee! Thanks, it would have taken me atleast 3 more years to realize that without your help!

 

 

 

 

So, your argument is crap and you know it. Excuse me for being blunt about it.

 

Says who? Oh wait, right, you are God overlord Outsanity? Wow, I better watch out or Im going to get struck by lightning. :ohnoes:

 

 

 

A maxed player with a steel titan beats a maxed player without a steel titan. Summoning affects combat.

[nightzero]

Lol....so tell me, do prayer levels count? They are not my OWN strength. They are the God's strength being bestowed upon me!

 

Wow! Roleplay as argument. I give up!

 

 

 

The experience a familiar gets GOES TO YOU. It is YOUR experience, and the damage the familiar does counts as YOUR damage. Your familiar doesn't get the drop if it deals more damage than you to a monster, does it? No. So then why would you consider a familiar to not be part of your combat?

 

Obviously me and my familiar live in the same body permanently. I don't know where people get that "pouch" idea from :?:

 

 

 

 

Oh, and furthermore, a familiar does not have to fight for it to be effective in battle. Healing familiars heal you, which is VERY much a part of combat, but not on the offensive. Steel and Iron Titans add 15% and 10% defense bonus to you, respectively. And furthermore, what about the familiars that eat at your opponent's food, or unequip their shields and weapons, or drain their prayer, or poison or cure you of poison? Are those not combat related skills?

 

 

 

Just because you're not hacking away at something with your familiar does not mean you are not using it for combat. Your idea of combat is simple minded and I laugh at you because you honestly don't realize there's more to combat than offense.

 

This skill is NOT meant to be solely an offensive skill. Yes, it can be offensive, some familiars (Like the Steel Titan) can one hit most average player. But by no means does that mean that is all Summoning is good for.

 

Oh wow, reading that I just realized that my idea of combat is simple minded and that I honestly dont realize theres more to combat than offence! Omg, I just noticed theres a defence level in melee! Thanks, it would have taken me atleast 3 more years to realize that without your help!

 

 

 

 

So, your argument is crap and you know it. Excuse me for being blunt about it.

 

Says who? Oh wait, right, you are God overlord Outsanity? Wow, I better watch out or Im going to get struck by lightning. :ohnoes:

 

 

 

A maxed player with a steel titan beats a maxed player without a steel titan. Summoning affects combat.

 

true dat =D>

 

yea summoning haters need to go train it, theyll prolly like it

[RandomKnight]

 

 

 

But wouldn't that mean that unless we're constantly attacking something our level isn't representing our true strength aswell, aru? :-k

 

 

 

Exactly. Sorry, Highlanders, but your point is invalid. It contradicts itself, because if it were true, then I'd have to be fighting a monster 100% of the time I play Runescape for my combat level to really "Represent my strength."

 

 

 

Oh, and by the way, when I say I have a familiar 90% of the time I play, I mean 90% OF THE TIME I PLAY. When i am in combat I have a familiar with me 100% of the time. No fail. End of story. End of point.

 

 

 

Rofl, that's not the point :P Your melee, magic, prayer, and ranged levels are your own. While your summoning combat levels represent the strength of the combat familiars you could possibly use. That strength is not your own, but the familiar's, thus when your familiar is not summoned that strength is completely gone.

 

 

 

No, to summon something you have to use your own magical power to summon the aid of the being-so it represents your power just like the other combat skills, aru

 

To the bolded part: but again, thats saying that when ever your not fighting somthing the strength in the other skills are gone aswell.

[Ravenkana]

Lol....so tell me, do prayer levels count? They are not my OWN strength. They are the God's strength being bestowed upon me!

 

Wow! Roleplay as argument. I give up!

 

 

 

The experience a familiar gets GOES TO YOU. It is YOUR experience, and the damage the familiar does counts as YOUR damage. Your familiar doesn't get the drop if it deals more damage than you to a monster, does it? No. So then why would you consider a familiar to not be part of your combat?

 

Obviously me and my familiar live in the same body permanently. I don't know where people get that "pouch" idea from :?:

 

 

 

 

Oh, and furthermore, a familiar does not have to fight for it to be effective in battle. Healing familiars heal you, which is VERY much a part of combat, but not on the offensive. Steel and Iron Titans add 15% and 10% defense bonus to you, respectively. And furthermore, what about the familiars that eat at your opponent's food, or unequip their shields and weapons, or drain their prayer, or poison or cure you of poison? Are those not combat related skills?

 

 

 

Just because you're not hacking away at something with your familiar does not mean you are not using it for combat. Your idea of combat is simple minded and I laugh at you because you honestly don't realize there's more to combat than offense.

 

This skill is NOT meant to be solely an offensive skill. Yes, it can be offensive, some familiars (Like the Steel Titan) can one hit most average player. But by no means does that mean that is all Summoning is good for.

 

Oh wow, reading that I just realized that my idea of combat is simple minded and that I honestly dont realize theres more to combat than offence! Omg, I just noticed theres a defence level in melee! Thanks, it would have taken me atleast 3 more years to realize that without your help!

 

 

 

 

So, your argument is crap and you know it. Excuse me for being blunt about it.

 

Says who? Oh wait, right, you are God overlord Outsanity? Wow, I better watch out or Im going to get struck by lightning. :ohnoes:

 

 

 

A maxed player with a steel titan beats a maxed player without a steel titan. Summoning affects combat.

Maybe. What weapons and armor are they using? Is one using potions? If so, what kind? Does one have better food? Is the area multi-combat? And, aside from all of those factors, we have the good ole Runescape luck matrix.

[doomy]

Ugh yeah I hate not knowing what the players proper combat level is, and I hate not knowing mine.

 

 

 

My real cb lvl is 98, im 103 on membs and I wish I could see the 98 instead of the 103...

 

 

 

EDIT: I respect summon as a combat skill, but I don't like how it affects your combat level.

 

I wish it was more range/mage type of thing.

[magzar]

ok guys

 

 

 

are you ready for this?

 

this is the post to end all posts on this thread

 

 

 

let's make summoning not effect combat level, but ranged, prayer, and magic too

 

 

 

that way you really get your real combat level, that is your bare fisted, beat the living cabbage out of each other without all those other skills effecting your level

 

 

 

i mean when you're not using those skills they're useless right? so why should they determine your combat level, i mean what good is my ranged level when i'm meleeing?

 

 

 

(sarcastic post)

 

 

 

but do you see my point here?

 

 

 

you could make the exact same argument about any of those 4 skills summoning is a combat skill

 

end of story

 

so stfu

[Aresgodowar]

Castle wars is full of morons, and you just met one. If he actually had an IQ higher than 5 he would see that summoning is by far the most useful skill.

 

 

 

that seems a little extreme...id say that hp is the most useful skill. keeps all those muggers, spiders, imps, chickens, and goblins from killing you...

[yaziyo]

ok guys

 

 

 

are you ready for this?

 

this is the post to end all posts on this thread

 

 

 

let's make summoning not effect combat level, but ranged, prayer, and magic too

 

 

 

that way you really get your real combat level, that is your bare fisted, beat the living cabbage out of each other without all those other skills effecting your level

 

 

 

i mean when you're not using those skills they're useless right? so why should they determine your combat level, i mean what good is my ranged level when i'm meleeing?

 

 

 

(sarcastic post)

 

 

 

but do you see my point here?

 

 

 

you could make the exact same argument about any of those 4 skills summoning is a combat skill

 

end of story

 

so stfu

 

 

 

Ranged and Magic doesn't affect your combat level unless they're better than your melee stats.

 

 

 

I've gotta agree with highlander. By getting summoning levels, if you are not using them in combat, they are false levels. The same applies to prayer. If you get for example 50 prayer and don't use it in combat, those levels you got from the prayer levels are false. If you DO use summoning or prayer however in combat, then it's a different story.

[magzar]

ok guys

 

 

 

are you ready for this?

 

this is the post to end all posts on this thread

 

 

 

let's make summoning not effect combat level, but ranged, prayer, and magic too

 

 

 

that way you really get your real combat level, that is your bare fisted, beat the living cabbage out of each other without all those other skills effecting your level

 

 

 

i mean when you're not using those skills they're useless right? so why should they determine your combat level, i mean what good is my ranged level when i'm meleeing?

 

 

 

(sarcastic post)

 

 

 

but do you see my point here?

 

 

 

you could make the exact same argument about any of those 4 skills summoning is a combat skill

 

end of story

 

so stfu

 

 

 

Ranged and Magic doesn't affect your combat level unless they're better than your melee stats.

 

 

 

I've gotta agree with highlander. By getting summoning levels, if you are not using them in combat, they are false levels. The same applies to prayer. If you get for example 50 prayer and don't use it in combat, those levels you got from the prayer levels are false. If you DO use summoning or prayer however in combat, then it's a different story.

 

 

 

 

 

ok max your melee stats while having 1 magic and ranged and tell me what your combat level is

 

i betcha it's lower that someone with those maxed out too

[yaziyo]

ok guys

 

 

 

are you ready for this?

 

this is the post to end all posts on this thread

 

 

 

let's make summoning not effect combat level, but ranged, prayer, and magic too

 

 

 

that way you really get your real combat level, that is your bare fisted, beat the living cabbage out of each other without all those other skills effecting your level

 

 

 

i mean when you're not using those skills they're useless right? so why should they determine your combat level, i mean what good is my ranged level when i'm meleeing?

 

 

 

(sarcastic post)

 

 

 

but do you see my point here?

 

 

 

you could make the exact same argument about any of those 4 skills summoning is a combat skill

 

end of story

 

so stfu

 

 

 

Ranged and Magic doesn't affect your combat level unless they're better than your melee stats.

 

 

 

I've gotta agree with highlander. By getting summoning levels, if you are not using them in combat, they are false levels. The same applies to prayer. If you get for example 50 prayer and don't use it in combat, those levels you got from the prayer levels are false. If you DO use summoning or prayer however in combat, then it's a different story.

 

 

 

 

 

ok max your melee stats while having 1 magic and ranged and tell me what your combat level is

 

i betcha it's lower that someone with those maxed out too

 

In RS1. Not in RS2.

 

http://www.tip.it/runescape/?page=combat_calc.htm

 

Go there, type in 99 for everything except for range and mage. You'll be level 138.

[KingJD]

personally i love it counting because less lower level pests attack me now.. and i can left click on more monsters

 

 

 

now just to get from 118 to 127 so no more wild dogs.. :D

[luker2d2]

Well I bet his combat level was upped by summoning as well.

[Unify]

summoning is a crap skill

 

 

 

imo it shouldnt add to combat because you have to buy it

[Aneron]

(a quote)

 

 

 

Rofl, that's not the point :P Your melee, magic, prayer, and ranged levels are your own. While your summoning combat levels represent the strength of the combat familiars you could possibly use. That strength is not your own, but the familiar's, thus when your familiar is not summoned that strength is completely gone.

 

 

 

No, to summon something you have to use your own magical power to summon the aid of the being-so it represents your power just like the other combat skills, aru

 

To the bolded part: but again, thats saying that when ever your not fighting somthing the strength in the other skills are gone aswell.

 

Maybe. What weapons and armor are they using? Is one using potions? If so, what kind? Does one have better food? Is the area multi-combat? And, aside from all of those factors, we have the good ole Runescape luck matrix.

 

 

 

I meant assuming that all other factors are equal. If you don't wanna look at steel titan, try the unicorn stallion. Or iron titan. Or a level 79 titan. Heck, even a bunyip would make a difference. The point is, if players are identical except for their summoning, in most circumstances the player with summoning will win.

 

 

 

summoning is a crap skill

 

 

 

imo it shouldnt add to combat because you have to buy it

 

 

 

Summoning is a superb skill.

 

 

 

No skill must be bought. If you want you can kill ice giants for all the charms you need to get 99. Of course not many people do that. Most people buy prayer. AHAHAHAHA THEREFORE PRAYER SHOULDN'T AFFECT COMBAT!!!

 

 

 

In regard to highlanders' argument, your prayer is not used when you aren't praying. Your defense and hitpoints aren't being used when you aren't being hit. Your strength isn't used when you're ranging. Your summoning isn't used when you don't have anything summoned. Exactly the same.

[nightzero]

Lol me too, so many lvl 50+ monsters that dont attack me now :D

[Irish_Geek]

Well with current arguments being brought up, why not take out the hp exp you gained with melee while ranging and maging? You didn't use those skills to get the hp, so remove it! Along with prayer adding to levels, because how often do you use prayer when just training combat stats normally? Maybe protect prayers to get those last 5 kills before teleing, but besides that it's too expensive for most to buy prayer pots, and doesn't last long enough to be used longterm. And if you are a lucky few who pray melee for everything they kill, then you should have no worry spending a few 100k to buy shards for a pouch, which when used correctly will actually enable you to make money back.