Junk Trading: Acceptable, Practical Practice?

[The_Goodking]

I don't think it's a question of whether junk trading is acceptable or not. It's necessary in some cases. The GE is definitely flawed. As long as items can be sold for prices that are not reasonable, real world trading is possible. The updated definitely decreased RWT dramatically, but they did not make it impossible. The GE would work nearly perfectly if it updated with every trade and had no limit on the amount above or below the price you could go. Then again, that makes the GE price just a suggestion and puts us back where we started... :wall: I'm going to have to conclude that there is no stop to real world trading. It can be limited like this, but that hurts everyone in the process. I guess people will be hurt either way.

 

 

 

Sorry, got a little off topic, haha. I think junk trading is necessary and certainly not scamming if both people know what they're doing and agree to it.

[pker4fun96]

delete this post plz

[green9090]

Really i hate junk trades, just a way for the rich to become even richer. Sure yes the GE has its problems, some prices are wrong, but my god what do you expect when you change the ENTIRE ECONOMY And really the fact that Jagex hasn't fixed the prices yet i think really shows that they really don't think you need to be getting more money for those items. And the way people whine that you should be getting more money for the items, you sound like children.

 

 

 

Here is a little know fact: runescape it based on real life, A fact about life: life ain't fair, long story short: get over it and sell it GE price.

 

 

 

It really amuses me that this poster has a hammer and sickle as his avatar.

 

 

 

Here's a fact about life: There are people who lay down and take whatever happens to them, and people who work to make things the way they want. Guess which ones end up successful? This applies to Runescape as well. So either get over it, use the GE, and be poor, or find a way to be successful even though Jagex is standing in your way.

[benar]

Well said. But remember, the not every price on the GE is out of whack. I'd say there is balance between it and junk trading, with junk trading weighing more on the economy.

 

 

 

 

 

Oh, and we should all agree on an official abbreviation for junk trading. How about "jt'ing"?

[green9090]

Well said. But remember, the not every price on the GE is out of whack. I'd say there is balance between it and junk trading, with junk trading weighing more on the economy.

 

 

 

 

 

Oh, and we should all agree on an official abbreviation for junk trading. How about "jt'ing"?

 

 

 

It would be impossible to junk trade with an item that has the correct price in the GE, because people would just go buy it there. This is why junk trading can't be a scam- if the item isn't selling on the GE, there's a reason for it.

 

 

 

I don't like abbreviations, so you'll be hard pressed to get my approval on any of them. I'll just keep saying junk trading, hoping that the GE will be fixed soon enough that it will fade into obscurity before we need an abbreviation anyway.

 

 

 

Also, posting in Hot Topic.

[goldenramoth]

Really i hate junk trades, just a way for the rich to become even richer. Sure yes the GE has its problems, some prices are wrong, but my god what do you expect when you change the ENTIRE ECONOMY And really the fact that Jagex hasn't fixed the prices yet i think really shows that they really don't think you need to be getting more money for those items. And the way people whine that you should be getting more money for the items, you sound like children.

 

 

 

Here is a little know fact: runescape it based on real life, A fact about life: life ain't fair, long story short: get over it and sell it GE price.

 

 

 

It really amuses me that this poster has a hammer and sickle as his avatar.

 

 

 

Here's a fact about life: There are people who lay down and take whatever happens to them, and people who work to make things the way they want. Guess which ones end up successful? This applies to Runescape as well. So either get over it, use the GE, and be poor, or find a way to be successful even though Jagex is standing in your way.

 

 

 

be poor by using the GE? lmao. Really.

 

 

 

I've made millions off the GE. Just use the system to your benefit. It's really not that hard. It's easier than Merching before the GE was, since now I can just leave and do something else. So I like the GE. It's double my money.

[benar]

Well.... double the money depending on what you're selling. If you're looking to make more, than certain items will get you there, but require junk trading.

[green9090]

Really i hate junk trades, just a way for the rich to become even richer. Sure yes the GE has its problems, some prices are wrong, but my god what do you expect when you change the ENTIRE ECONOMY And really the fact that Jagex hasn't fixed the prices yet i think really shows that they really don't think you need to be getting more money for those items. And the way people whine that you should be getting more money for the items, you sound like children.

 

 

 

Here is a little know fact: runescape it based on real life, A fact about life: life ain't fair, long story short: get over it and sell it GE price.

 

 

 

It really amuses me that this poster has a hammer and sickle as his avatar.

 

 

 

Here's a fact about life: There are people who lay down and take whatever happens to them, and people who work to make things the way they want. Guess which ones end up successful? This applies to Runescape as well. So either get over it, use the GE, and be poor, or find a way to be successful even though Jagex is standing in your way.

 

 

 

be poor by using the GE? lmao. Really.

 

 

 

I've made millions off the GE. Just use the system to your benefit. It's really not that hard. It's easier than Merching before the GE was, since now I can just leave and do something else. So I like the GE. It's double my money.

 

Of course it can be a great tool; I suppose I worded that poorly. What I meant was, if you get a third age mage amulet out of a clue scroll, it may not be the wisest choice to put it on the GE because "that's what the prices are now."

[goldenramoth]

Well.... double the money depending on what you're selling. If you're looking to make more, than certain items will get you there, but require junk trading.

 

 

 

Nah, I've done it all through the GE. My technique is simple, but the items I merch are secret, and slightly weird. But it works.

[m00finz]

I'm going to say something that'll spark up a nice conversation: Jagex is eliminating junk item's values, right? Well, eventually Jagex is going to get tired of doing that. Eventually Jagex is probably going to consider taking away player to player trading.

[Olbritishchap]

I'm going to say something that'll spark up a nice conversation: Jagex is eliminating junk item's values, right? Well, eventually Jagex is going to get tired of doing that. Eventually Jagex is probably going to consider taking away player to player trading.

 

 

 

If they did that i'd quit. and i'm sure a lot of other people would too, waaay more than those that quit because of unbalanced trading.

[m00finz]

I'm going to say something that'll spark up a nice conversation: Jagex is eliminating junk item's values, right? Well, eventually Jagex is going to get tired of doing that. Eventually Jagex is probably going to consider taking away player to player trading.

 

 

 

If they did that i'd quit. and i'm sure a lot of other people would too, waaay more than those that quit because of unbalanced trading.

 

 

 

Thats what people said and did about PKing. Jagex is still functioning.

[Purestr2442]

I dont understand what is junk trading?? #-o

[green9090]

I dont understand what is junk trading?? #-o

 

#-o is right. Try reading about the first page of the thread.

[The Shadow]

Its good and bad. Good for some items and bad for others. Personally, I've traded junk a couple times. Having to buy the Leaf-Bladed Sword and Saradomin Sword.

 

 

 

You can't really ban it which is the problem. Look at phats, most of the people want 1/2 cash rest junk because the GE price is way way to high. Only way to sell it is get lucky or have a piece of 3rd age :(

[blackxp]

The GE though is very flawed, and no one really can deny that.

 

 

 

Thus Junk items are needed to help fix certain items. A quick fix for this is obviously moving all the ppl they had fighting bots to just maintain constant prices.

 

 

 

Also you have the obvious restrictions that you never had before. Certain items can only be bought in 100's every 24 hours or something along those lines that we never had before.

 

 

 

Party hats and other rares are at an all time low, which in my mind goes against all logical predictions. Hell even Duke Freedom predicted they would always rise in the end, even if they had small dips. But of course the GE does not simulate a free market because his prediction here is awfully wrong.

 

 

 

The economy really does not look that good, merchants are of a new variety so instead of the old merchants keeping prices up, the new ones just look for certain items that are at a low and rising to sell off when it hits the top.

 

 

 

I do not think we are in a good period, I hope the GE is fixed or free trade is renewed although even so, the GE will still linger and be a common choice for selling. So even if trade was not taken out the GE will always burn a hole in the economy as we had known it.

 

 

 

People can be lazy when selling, and still make the money they wanted. While in the past you could be lazy and sell to merchants who would make money off you (maintaining higher prices). Oh well, its good and bad and for sure the period we are in is the ugly.

[benar]

Lol, if Jagex got tired of eliminating junk values, they certainly wouldn't eliminate player to player trading. That would be the worst business move they could make... because literally everyone trades.

 

 

 

You see, the December 10th updates eliminated various game features for a reason; destroying RWT'ing. That was a situation threatening the game. Jagex had probably anticipated the amount of people who would quit too, which was very small, because pker's made up a minority in Runescape. Even those who did pk were not necessarily "full time pkers".

 

 

 

So, with the past taken into account, junk trading doesn't threaten the game like RWT'ing did. Not by any-means are they comparable in that respect. And it's not a viable way to continue RWT'ing either. Basically it's just the player response to broken prices, and if Jagex gets sick of eliminating junk values, they will fix the prices.

[benar]

The same thing also applies to people theories that free chat will be removed... but thats a story for another time.

 

 

 

Junk trading has no ill effects, imo.

[Leejjon]

If you range black dragons always pick up adamant javelins if you get them in a drop, you can easily collect about 90 javs per trip (I assume you bank the hides and bones) at the cost of 1 inventory spot. I had about 5k after killing them some time and then at dagannoth kings a friend of mine forgot to turn his lootshare on the first kill and got an archer ring, he bought like 3k addy javs off me to share it anyway.

[brandonbragg0105]

Well, Junk tradeing in my opinion doesnt really bother me i mean its just another way for players to cheat the little system jagex has, thats why jagex made the fair trade system so cheaters couldnt buy/scam gold but junk tradeing is just away around the system. Theres just always People that want to make easy money even at the expense of other people but junk tradeing ingeneral is intirely up to the person recieving the junk because they are loseing money but its whatever they want to do

 

 

 

Thanks - Bman0105

[Jholm93]

One of the many flaws of the Grand Exchange is that prices cannot change if there is no supply or demand to counterpart the other of the two. This example can apply to items such as partyhats and third age armour. People who own and want to sell partyhats are all over - there is a significant supply - as for the demand, less so. The actual price cannot change unless it passes through this intermediary. But as people are willing to sell for less and buy for more, it becomes necessary to bypass this intermediary, which we see in junk trades. The concept is that you can sell a well overpriced item for money as well as junk, and vise-versa. It is not breaking the rules, and it is clever. Some junk items that could be involved in these include javelin and dart drops from dragons and unstrung bows (maple especially).

 

 

 

-Jholm

[Purestr2442]

:wall: yeah i stilll get what junktrading is and how it makes people rich

 

 

 

but i do know the the ge is a joke

 

santa for an example before ge it was about 20m

 

if suply and demand actually worked in this games the price would continue to rise not fall (there 11.8 right now)

 

thats 200k less than it was 1 day ago and yet no more of the item had been added to the game so how does it fall??

[Purestr2442]

wow just check again they have fallen another 200k (11.6)

 

please help me understand junk trading more cuz honestly if it can make u rich then i want to do it

 

most people i am driven by greed if there is an easy way to get rich then i definatly want to do it

 

honestly jagex should have allowed real trading anyways dont know why they cry so much about it

[Jholm93]

:wall: yeah i stilll get what junktrading is and how it makes people rich

 

 

 

but i do know the the ge is a joke

 

santa for an example before ge it was about 20m

 

if suply and demand actually worked in this games the price would continue to rise not fall (there 11.8 right now)

 

thats 200k less than it was 1 day ago and yet no more of the item had been added to the game so how does it fall??

 

It drops because there is less demand - people who want it aren't willing to pay the whole price, and people who want to get rid of it are willing to sell it for less.

[etpelletier]

I dislike it because when i was trying to sell my green mask, everyone was trading pouches and scrolls >.<

 

 

 

I think "junk" is only a way to lose money as its not sell-able.