Junk Trading: Acceptable, Practical Practice?

[benar]

My friend I like how strong willed you are, but don't let it create close mindedness. You may see it as rationality the way you're viewing what I came up with earlier, and I know it's not a rational idea compared to the others that you yourself have offered. BUT, everything is worth discussing and exploring, no matter how impractical it may seem, because that topic's cultivation will create a learning experience.

 

 

 

I'm trying to get across my own thoughts on solving the "price crisis". I believe one angle is attacking the problem at it's root, which is the GE.

[acenator]

My friend I like how strong willed you are, but don't let it create close mindedness. You may see it as rationality the way you're viewing what I came up with earlier, and I know it's not a rational idea compared to the others that you yourself have offered. BUT, everything is worth discussing and exploring, no matter how impractical it may seem, because that topic's cultivation will create a learning experience.

 

 

 

I'm trying to get across my own thoughts on solving the "price crisis". I believe one angle is attacking the problem at it's root, which is the GE.

 

So this thread is for learning purposes and not to discuss logical ways to fix the GE? That, imo, is a pretty lame excuse for offering a suggestion that has been suggested and shot down several times (there are a bunch of older threads in which people suggested it). Also, I'm completely open minded. If you suggest something that makes sense and would work, then I'd gladly accept it. It's just that that suggestion is so stupid (I'm sorry if this is seen as an insult) and has been suggested and shot down so many times, that I can't stand it when people bring it up again.

 

 

 

And the root of the problem isn't necessarily the GE. Jagex created and has complete control over the GE, remember? They are the root of the problem, and, until they accept that and admit their mistakes, nothing is going to get fixed.

[Zephyr_Fal]

Personally, I think that Jagex is glad to let "junk trading" happen. Free trade was a -big- part of RuneScape's gameplay. Giving gifts, lending options or food, any kind of trade or kind act. Scamming was an unfortunate side-effect, but in the end it was gold-farming and selling that forced Jagex to stop free trade. But just because they limited trade doesn't mean that they don't want us finding loopholes. It's not against the rules to junk trade, and it's extremely difficult or impossible to do any kind of decent gold farming or selling using it. Why would Jagex not want players to do it?

 

 

 

=ZF

[Numer0_un0]

 

 

 

I'm trying to get across my own thoughts on solving the "price crisis". I believe one angle is attacking the problem at it's root, which is the GE.

 

 

 

I'm trying to get across my own thoughts on solving the "terrorism crisis". I believe one angle is attacking the problem at it's root, which is the countries that have all the oil.

Sorry, i know it's horribly off topic but couldn't resist :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

 

 

On-topic though, Junk trading is perfectly acceptable to me until Jagex fixes the prices. In fact I'd love it for junk-traded items to be more advertised than they are in the RSOF, like one guy's thread i read about, he was super-pissssssed cause he couldn't buy full Gilded so he bought parts, got all the parts but legs and finds out legs are tens of millions of gp, instead of 400k like GE said. That is a reason Jagex should fix prices... he's not going to be able to complete that set for quite a while.

[Alexkintexas]

Here's how I look at it.

 

 

 

Junk trading is acceptable. I don't care what other people think. You are still paying the same price no matter what, even if you don't sell the junk right away. Eventually it sells over time.

 

 

 

People who say junk trading is bad and ruins the economy can bite me. Jagex is the one ruining the economy with the G.e

 

 

 

--Alex

[green9090]

My friend I like how strong willed you are, but don't let it create close mindedness. You may see it as rationality the way you're viewing what I came up with earlier, and I know it's not a rational idea compared to the others that you yourself have offered. BUT, everything is worth discussing and exploring, no matter how impractical it may seem, because that topic's cultivation will create a learning experience.

 

 

 

I'm trying to get across my own thoughts on solving the "price crisis". I believe one angle is attacking the problem at it's root, which is the GE.

 

I would be much more accepting of new ideas if a) the flaws in them weren't glaringly obvious, and B) myself and others hadn't patiently explained over and over and freaking OVER why they won't work, in this thread and others. It bugs me when people try to put this issue on the players not willing to trade at the GE price, and your suggestion was essentially a restatement of that concept. It exposes a complete ignorance of economics and unwillingness to learn.

[JGard]

Green has said, quit well, what I believe so just read what he said to hear my opinion. Other than that I have a question, Why is Jagex constantly working to correct the prices of junk items yet not just correcting the prices of the 3a, partyhats, etc...???? I mean really how more obvious could that be!!! :

 

 

 

Edit: Ok I've heard a lot about 'players should trade through the ge to fix prices' and a lot of other people stating why that won't work, but since obviously a lot of people are to stupid/stubborn to understand ill try to put it in a different way.

 

If you want to trade at 5% a day to fix the price of say... the 3rd age platebody ((which was stated earlier to be worth at least 200m) from the 38.5m Jagex says it is worth, a person would have to lose about 3bill !!!! I would do the actual calculations if it wasn't so late here, but that is a good estimate

 

Now feel free to keep arguing that point if you are willing to come up with cash :D

[meatlordking]

Junk trades have some practical uses. For example, bought a zammy spear for 2.1 mill. I then turned around and used the junk from that trade to sell a guthix page for 400k, meaning i made most of my money back. Making junk from scratch though, unless from skilling (ex. fletching) doesnt makes sence

[odesa]

How about if they added a random event or an npc you could visit, that would ask how much you think an item is worth? If everyone could do it, then you wouldn't have to worry about large groups of people over pricing an item...

[Aneron]

I don't understand people who say junk trading is scamming. You have a very desirable item, so it's perfectly fair to force someone to buy an undesirable item with it since you can't set the price. Anyone ever heard of Congress?

[BBC3]

Here's how I look at it.

 

 

 

Junk trading is acceptable. I don't care what other people think. You are still paying the same price no matter what, even if you don't sell the junk right away. Eventually it sells over time.

 

 

 

People who say junk trading is bad and ruins the economy can bite me. Jagex is the one ruining the economy with the G.e

 

 

 

--Alex

 

 

 

 

 

this guy speaks the truth, listen to him.

[shivers21]

Here's how I look at it.

 

 

 

Junk trading is acceptable. I don't care what other people think. You are still paying the same price no matter what, even if you don't sell the junk right away. Eventually it sells over time.

 

 

 

People who say junk trading is bad and ruins the economy can bite me. Jagex is the one ruining the economy with the G.e

 

 

 

--Alex

 

 

 

 

 

oh get the [bleep] over it

[gongusan]

Here's how I look at it.

 

 

 

Junk trading is acceptable. I don't care what other people think. You are still paying the same price no matter what, even if you don't sell the junk right away. Eventually it sells over time.

 

 

 

People who say junk trading is bad and ruins the economy can bite me. Jagex is the one ruining the economy with the G.e

 

 

 

--Alex

 

 

 

 

 

oh get the [bleep] over it

 

*looks at your avvy*

 

yeah very poetic

[shivers21]

Here's how I look at it.

 

 

 

Junk trading is acceptable. I don't care what other people think. You are still paying the same price no matter what, even if you don't sell the junk right away. Eventually it sells over time.

 

 

 

People who say junk trading is bad and ruins the economy can bite me. Jagex is the one ruining the economy with the G.e

 

 

 

--Alex

 

 

 

 

 

oh get the [bleep] over it

 

*looks at your avvy*

 

yeah very poetic

 

 

 

:wall:

[phermaldheid]

do not do it, why waste my time collecting junk when i can be lvling :thumbsup:

[Inuashakent]

do not do it, why waste my time collecting junk when i can be lvling :thumbsup:

 

Because of the mass amount of junk in the economy? When we say junk, we aren't just referring to buying items with junk, we are also referring to selling them, too.

[Omar]

The way I see it, junk trading is a way for skillers to buy things for cheaper. The by products that most skillers make are usually worth less than what was originally used to make it (Which btw, is the exact opposite IRL). They then use these items to purchase more materials for their skilling needs. It's like a secondary currency, just using items one has no use for. But money has no other use than to buy items as well, so why does this make junk trading not acceptable?

 

 

Yes, this junk can act as a currency. But if you were selling something in real life, and someone offered you Iraqi money or something that had little value to you, would be hard to use in other transactions, and worst of all, had questionable stability (could change in value at any moment), why would you want that currency?

 

 

 

In real life we're able to say no and ask for whatever currency we want. But in runescape we can't. And that's an almost game-breaking problem.

 

 

 

And that's the exact problem. You can't say yes or no. The very people who say this is "necessary" are the ones who are abusing it and getting rich off of it. It either needs to be properly reformed, or murdered. It's going to boil down to Jagex either making one item trades or just removing the trading system period.

 

They can see what's in a trade, right? If they were to look at these prices and make an average they'd get the prices about right. Granted, it would take them forever, but less time than to get back all their costumers if they remove trading...