Junk Trading: Acceptable, Practical Practice?

[ixfd64]

I completely support junk trading. It isn't item scamming; it's just a way of getting around the silly trade limit. There are many items whose GE values are inaccurate; the players are simply using this method to "fix" the discrepancy.

 

 

 

Junk trading isn't against the rules, either. The trade limit is only a technical "feature." As long as Jagex doesn't make an actual rule against unbalanced trades, we have every right to junk trade.

[green9090]

I completely support junk trading. It isn't item scamming; it's just a way of getting around the silly trade limit. There are many items whose GE values are inaccurate; the players are simply using this method to "fix" the discrepancy.

 

 

 

Junk trading isn't against the rules, either. The trade limit is only a technical "feature." As long as Jagex doesn't make an actual rule against unbalanced trades, we have every right to junk trade.

 

Even if there were a rule against unbalanced trading, junk trading would still be in the clear, it would just be BH transferring that would become illegal. After all, junk trading is all about making the numbers on the bottom match up, which is how Jagex defines balanced.

[benar]

Well, even if the players are right about the prices... they are probably still broken for a reason.

 

 

 

I'm not saying that's a good reason, but if it's good enough, we might see the removal of junk trading.

[Adam007]

Well, even if the players are right about the prices... they are probably still broken for a reason.

 

 

 

I'm not saying that's a good reason, but if it's good enough, we might see the removal of junk trading.

 

Junk trading isn't the problem. It doesn't need to be removed. The problem is that the GE won't update prices. If it did, junk trading wouldn't exist, and wouldn't need to be 'removed' by jagex. Junk trading isn't the problem. It's the broken GE.

[benar]

Well, even if the players are right about the prices... they are probably still broken for a reason.

 

 

 

I'm not saying that's a good reason, but if it's good enough, we might see the removal of junk trading.

 

Junk trading isn't the problem. It doesn't need to be removed. The problem is that the GE won't update prices. If it did, junk trading wouldn't exist, and wouldn't need to be 'removed' by jagex. Junk trading isn't the problem. It's the broken GE.

 

 

 

No no no, my theory is that they are both problems (this I should have clarified); the broken prices becoming a problem for players, and junk trading becoming a problem for jagex. It is obvious why the prices hurt us, but much less obvious why jagex would have an issue with junk trading. It's based on the idea that many prices are only broken because we perceive them to be that way, while jagex has indeed set them for a reason unbeknownst to us. Therefore, junk trading would upset the "balance" created by the prices they "broke".

 

 

 

Of course thats just a theory... I mean, who could imagine a reason why the prices are broken like that?

[Jeffery]

Personally I love It, I can train summoning and sell all the stuff I made for minimun lost! Comes useful when selling 3a stuff :D

[green9090]

Well, even if the players are right about the prices... they are probably still broken for a reason.

 

 

 

I'm not saying that's a good reason, but if it's good enough, we might see the removal of junk trading.

 

Junk trading isn't the problem. It doesn't need to be removed. The problem is that the GE won't update prices. If it did, junk trading wouldn't exist, and wouldn't need to be 'removed' by jagex. Junk trading isn't the problem. It's the broken GE.

 

 

 

No no no, my theory is that they are both problems (this I should have clarified); the broken prices becoming a problem for players, and junk trading becoming a problem for jagex. It is obvious why the prices hurt us, but much less obvious why jagex would have an issue with junk trading. It's based on the idea that many prices are only broken because we perceive them to be that way, while jagex has indeed set them for a reason unbeknownst to us. Therefore, junk trading would upset the "balance" created by the prices they "broke".

 

 

 

Of course thats just a theory... I mean, who could imagine a reason why the prices are broken like that?

 

 

 

If this is true and Jagex really thinks there's a reason to place prices at a certain level, they are brutally wrong. Incorrect prices don't allow for a flowing market.

 

 

 

Let's assume that junk trading was impossible (say, by limiting trades to 1 type of item traded for cash). Then, Jagex sets nature runes to 150gp. Nature runes are not 150gp; if they were, nobody would craft them and supply would plummet until people were paying more. It simply wouldn't be a viable source of cash anymore compared to other, easier methods. Thus, by ensuring that all nature runes are sold for 150gp, Jagex would simply create a situation in which nature runes become an extreme scarcity.

 

 

 

This logic can be seen in action with frozen GE prices today- head on down and try to sell, say, steel arrows. Nobody wants to buy them because with such a huge number in the economy from accumulators, all the people willing to pay 36 or whatever per arrow have had their fill long ago. The price would need to be much much lower to sell all the rest, probably to very low levels unaware that bone bolts (2gp each) are better.

[Mercifull]

A problem arises with Junk trading now where I DONT HAVE ANY JUNK, I DONT WANT ANY JUNK but I do have money. I cannot buy or sell what I want because too many people are dealing on the black market. Take the black mask on the day the new quest came out when everyone decided it was worth 800k (500k+junk). I dont want 300k worth of rubbish on top of the black mask I just want the black mask. If people used the ge and the price went up to 800k then thats what i'd pay. I have the money but am not prepared to fll my bank up with worthless crap just because greedy merchants cant play the game fair.

[green9090]

A problem arises with Junk trading now where I DONT HAVE ANY JUNK, I DONT WANT ANY JUNK but I do have money. I cannot buy or sell what I want because too many people are dealing on the black market. Take the black mask on the day the new quest came out when everyone decided it was worth 800k (500k+junk). I dont want 300k worth of rubbish on top of the black mask I just want the black mask. If people used the ge and the price went up to 800k then thats what i'd pay. I have the money but am not prepared to fll my bank up with worthless crap just because greedy merchants cant play the game fair.

 

Now think very hard... whose fault is this?

 

 

 

The demand for black masks was bound to go up. It had to. The logical conclusion is them being worth more. If we had free trade, there the story would end.

 

 

 

It's the GE's inflexibility that caused the junk trades, not greedy merchants.

[bedman]

A problem arises with Junk trading now where I DONT HAVE ANY JUNK, I DONT WANT ANY JUNK but I do have money. I cannot buy or sell what I want because too many people are dealing on the black market. Take the black mask on the day the new quest came out when everyone decided it was worth 800k (500k+junk). I dont want 300k worth of rubbish on top of the black mask I just want the black mask. If people used the ge and the price went up to 800k then thats what i'd pay. I have the money but am not prepared to fll my bank up with worthless crap just because greedy merchants cant play the game fair.

 

Are you serious?!

 

Most of the junk people are offering isnt totally worthless. And if it is, use it yourself. I really cant believe what you just said. You actually get a discount wiht junk trading, the junk itself. Thats why junk prices are so high...

 

 

 

+ what green said.

[Mercifull]

Yes is it the fault of the GE. But junk trading does not fix it.

 

 

 

The jist of my argument is that I DO NOT WANT JUNK! I don't want to build it up so that I can sell stuff and I dont want to recieve it when I buy things. My bank is full up enough as it is.

[Danqazmlp]

I truthfully can't be arsed with junk trading, never will do it never want to. Imo junk trading is just a new form of merchanting filling the void of w2.

 

 

 

If i want an item, i'll buy it on g.e, i don't care if a few people want to sell it at 30m when its 300k on g.e, i'll buy it on g.e. I wanted a sheep mask, i wasn't going to pay 8m for it and get a load of junk that i didn't want, so i brought on the g.e for 300k cash. I'm patient enough not to need to rush through with junk. I don't see the point in junk trading.

 

 

 

I know jagex's failed g.e updating system needs fixing, and that the prices are a bit out of whack, but i also know that junk traders ARE manipulating the prices just as far out of whack as the g.e does. Without the g.e, i can 100% guarentee you those masks which junk traders value at 10m+ wouldn't be anywhere near that. Junk traders are just as stubborn in their prices as the g.e, its from one extreme to the other.

[gameboypen]

Whatever floats ya boat I guess.

 

 

 

All technicalities aside I don't really mind it. However I see were people are coming from when they compare it to scamming. I probably won't do it as I just can't be bothered.

[benar]

What is it keeping jagex from fixing the prices?

 

 

 

Pride?

 

Stubborn opinion? (they think they should stay that way, and they will until players accept them)

 

Pure ignorance?

[Star_Fox]

What is it keeping jagex from fixing the prices?

 

 

 

Pride?

 

Stubborn opinion? (they think they should stay that way, and they will until players accept them)

 

Pure ignorance?

 

 

 

 

 

that has yet to be answered but i'm sure jagex is trying their best. they're still managing the graphics update and all the other upcoming changes.

[Adam007]

What is it keeping jagex from fixing the prices?

 

 

 

Pride?

 

Stubborn opinion? (they think they should stay that way, and they will until players accept them)

 

Pure ignorance?

 

Who says they intend to fix them? If you think about it, this is an ideal situation for jagex in terms of the economy. Items that have been useless to us but jagex wanted to become valuable now have value. Rares are untradable. They have complete control over the economy. Hasn't jagex wanted this all along? Has jagex even addressed the issue anywhere? We're assuming they see it as a problem, but maybe our problem is their solution.

[benar]

I haven't thought about it from that angle yet. :shock:

[jaoxim]

Junk trading is sometimes completely neccessary to overcome to price barriers in the GE

 

 

 

Take black masks for instance, thanks to the new slayer update they skyrocketed in price, and are now dropping, with nobody wanting to buy one at the GE's price. Due to this, when i got one dropped from a cave horror task, it WOULD NOT have sold, unless I junk traded it, which i did. Luckily for me the "junk" was made up of willow logs, which i'm now burning for firemaking xp ;) so i got lucky

 

 

 

Essentially due to the GE's updating slowly it is needed, if the GE updated after every single transaction, then maybe an equilibrium could be maintained, but at the current state, it is propping up a damaged economy.

[green9090]

Yes is it the fault of the GE. But junk trading does not fix it.

 

 

 

The jist of my argument is that I DO NOT WANT JUNK! I don't want to build it up so that I can sell stuff and I dont want to recieve it when I buy things. My bank is full up enough as it is.

 

So take it up with Jagex, not the players. You blamed "greedy merchants" for a problem you admit is the GE's fault.

[flamesofbob]

Im sorry, i still see it as a sad attempt to merch off ppl. The ge will get to the price it is ment to be at. Price of an item keeps dropping some1 said i bought it at xx price but it was yy price now. He adds zz to it so it sells at xx is stil a scam.

[green9090]

Im sorry, i still see it as a sad attempt to merch off ppl. The ge will get to the price it is ment to be at. Price of an item keeps dropping some1 said i bought it at xx price but it was yy price now. He adds zz to it so it sells at xx is stil a scam.

 

I still see posts like this as a sad attempt to rationalize wanting items much cheaper than what they should have to pay.

[Canadan]

i still buy everything and sell everything through the GE. why would i want "junk"? i like to pay with cash and get straight cash for my items.

[green9090]

i still buy everything and sell everything through the GE. why would i want "junk"? i like to pay with cash and get straight cash for my items.

 

Good luck if you ever want a top hat, or an item that's suddenly gone into incredibly high demand like the black mask recently.

[MegaIfirit]

i still buy everything and sell everything through the GE. why would i want "junk"? i like to pay with cash and get straight cash for my items.

 

 

 

You say you 'still buy everything and sell everything through the GE' but you can't get 3rd age like that, nobody sells it in there. You're not experienced enough in the high market to post what you said.

 

 

 

In my opinion, junk trades are just a way around the flawed Grand Exchange. I support it, but I definitely would like JaGeX to commit their time to punch some numbers into their broken machine. Heck, I would do it myself, wouldn't take long. Even if they do a few items a day (which would take minutes) that would be great, but sitting at the same prices doesn't solve anything, and only forces us players to use junk trades. We really need JaGeX to update these prices, there's no reason not to!

 

 

 

I myself have some items I will not sell in the grand exchange, because I know that doing so is only making the problem worse, plus I'll lose a lot of money, as I currently have 1 of each of a cat, wolf, and bat mask, as well as a third age melee helmet, third age magic bottoms, and some black canes. I would like to cash these in, but I certainly will not let JaGeX ruin our economy. They say that the players control the prices, but with the broken Grand Exchange, we certainly cannot do so.

[blackxp]

I do not agree with Junk Trading although I do agree the GE is flawed and of course never makes up for free trade in runescape.

 

 

 

It also can potentially bring back RWT due to you can easily just sell your Junk to them for gp.

 

 

 

All you have to do is buy your 3rd age plate and you get tons of junk that you can redeem for gold. Although you still lose in the end because you pay real world cash im sure there are people out there that will do it.

 

 

 

 

 

There are many bypasses to the system, and of course among these is the party room (rune plates one at a time) which is slow, BH (risky) but fast, junk trading, and glitches.

 

 

 

 

 

of course all of them have their downs, if you junk trade you promote RWT and you are just as bad as the people that got us into this mess, if you use the party room its extremely slow, bh is very risky, and of course glitches die as they get around due to people reporting them.

 

 

 

In the end as pessimistic as it sounds, we will never win. Junk trades will only bring back RWT and you know people will use it. most people are hypocrites when it comes down to it. They scream and yell about the trade updates and wildy removal. But many people did RWT and many of those people were the ones.

 

 

 

 

 

Btw, dont pm me about any known trade bypass glitches or even ask me about them.